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If that's in the latest white dwarf doesn't that mean it's all but confirmed to be up for preorder later tonight? That, combined with it 'accidentally' being put up earlier this week before being shut down, seem to point to the Tau gaining some BIG firepower before their new codex

Yeah I'm guessing itll be their preorder for today.

 Fishboy wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:

 krazynadechukr wrote:
Here is a closer look at new troops packs.... It looks like the are jump troops with a shotty style weapon!

Thanks for that super clear picture, clearly there can be no other explanation

Edit: on a serious note though, I have been curious as to why everyone assumes they are normal firewarriors replacements. They could be a new troop, and if those are a booster of some sort I think it would be cooler if they a grav shoot so they can be Orca drops ie deepstrike. I am highly doubtful they will be jetpack infantry though, no more riding in devil fish if that were the case.

My guess is they are pathfinders and now have a jet pack upgrade.

The FireWarrior sprue is getting OLD (14 years?). Its in the old inefficient neatly laid out style; and there are numerous parts where the casting is sub-par compared to todays offerings (particularly on the leg plates). It seems like a prime candidate for recasting/recutting.
The new models have the armor style of Fire Warriors - backbacks, full/short helmets, full chestplate, shoulderplate - and are pictured next to the current relatively new (and quite excellent) pathfinder models. They are definitely not pathfinders.
My money is on re-cut firewarriors, possibly a dual kit with some kind of 'commando' warriors.

Trasvi wrote:

 Fishboy wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:

 krazynadechukr wrote:
Here is a closer look at new troops packs.... It looks like the are jump troops with a shotty style weapon!

Thanks for that super clear picture, clearly there can be no other explanation

Edit: on a serious note though, I have been curious as to why everyone assumes they are normal firewarriors replacements. They could be a new troop, and if those are a booster of some sort I think it would be cooler if they a grav shoot so they can be Orca drops ie deepstrike. I am highly doubtful they will be jetpack infantry though, no more riding in devil fish if that were the case.

My guess is they are pathfinders and now have a jet pack upgrade.

The FireWarrior sprue is getting OLD (14 years?). Its in the old inefficient neatly laid out style; and there are numerous parts where the casting is sub-par compared to todays offerings (particularly on the leg plates). It seems like a prime candidate for recasting/recutting.
The new models have the armor style of Fire Warriors - backbacks, full/short helmets, full chestplate, shoulderplate - and are pictured next to the current relatively new (and quite excellent) pathfinder models. They are definitely not pathfinders.
My money is on re-cut firewarriors, possibly a dual kit with some kind of 'commando' warriors.

If this is a dual kit, hopefully this will be a skitarrii vanguard/rangers situation with the kit having two different styles of heads. I' mn ot a fan of the heads we've been shown and I'm really hoping for heads in the style we currently have

Getting old style heads should not really be a problem, should be plenty of old kits/bit floating around as a lot of people prolly have more firewarriors than they have use for, I know I have. Bought a battleforce to start with, then another right before they changed it and I have a single box of warriors, even though I only use like 12-20 max in a game).

You would think that they would have given the new Tau abomination a base big enough for it to stand on?

It's up now:
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Tau-KX139-Ta'unar-Supremacy-Armour

That is a pretty awesome paint job...

Yeah it looks awesome painted.

 Mr Morden wrote:
You would think that they would have given the new Tau abomination a base big enough for it to stand on?

It has the largest round base GW/FW currently make (160mm)
The largest oval base (170mm * 105mm) probably wouldn't offer enough support.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
That is a pretty awesome paint job...

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Wow... I am in awe. It looks even better with that paintjob. FW just went up to 11 in the awesome scale.

So what do people think of the rules?

Only one strength D shot? Granted its a blast, but when fighting titans how do we see this faring?

It seems more like a wide suppression mech than an anti-titan/large thing mech which is the only justifiable use of something so big. I'm not familiar with titan rules though so it's hard to say how good this thing would be at taking them down.

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It seems more Knight level than Titan level.

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In the far future we'll get a true Tau Titan and on that day FW will have my money. This seems like a half step if that was their goal.

This is trans Ctan level stupid.

10 wounds, toughness 9, 2+ 4++ 5 + FNP, and half the result of a deadly hit from strength D?!

Good lord, I say this again - thank the Lord for grav but I don't know if I'll have enough!

Why is it a GMC???!! IT'S. A. VEHICLE!!!

Well the rage alone makes me want to pick one up. Heh. For the GG and all that.

LOL! It's not a vehicle. This still is.

Daft.

A further look into some rules of the regular IK and yeah this thing is insane compared to them. Accurate rendition of whats going to happen to your army.

Of course, Tau with their non-genocidal ethos weren't grimdark enough for 40K, so GW remodeled all the FCW helmets to be frowning.

Something is off with the titany thing, not sure what yet. I think even the Riptide is a better sculpt and I'm not even a Riptide fan.

Not to mention that the number of guns borders on ridiculous, it looks a bit orky imo.

It's not that ridiculous. It has one main weapon system on the top, two secondary on the arms, and what is basically a point defence system on the chest. Each system is made up of multiple guns but it's not really different to a knight with a gun on each arm, missiles on its carapace and a point defence heavy stubber.

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/PDF/Datasheets/Tau-Kx139-Ta%E2%80%99unar.pdf

Haha, it's only 600 pts and is a Lord of War choice?? This thing is horrendously awesome.

(I still prefer my Tiger shark mind you, but I might have to get one of these)

How many pts is a warhounds with its multiple large blast D shots?

The weapons are strong, especially for 600 points, but what makes the deal is...Gargantuan Creature. With T9 W10. And the D absorbing shield...it seems unbreakable Oo


One question though to the point defense weapons... on the model, both the SMS and the BC are twin linked, rules wise only the BC is. Error or discrepancy between modellers and rules writers?

So is "No Cover Saves" the same rule as "Ignores Cover"? Or some fancy FW-variant?

 agnosto wrote:
How many pts is a warhounds with its multiple large blast D shots?

The main issue is that it can strip off any hull points/void shields with it's other weapons then fire the D weapon, whilst almost certainly surviving a turn to get another round of shooting on it.

Someone needs to math hammer 3 of these things vs a warlord, seriously, I think the warlord may be in trouble.

Wonderwolf wrote:So is "No Cover Saves" the same rule as "Ignores Cover"? Or some fancy FW-variant?

Tombard wrote:One question though to the point defense weapons... on the model, both the SMS and the BC are twin linked, rules wise only the BC is. Error or discrepancy between modellers and rules writers?

I believe FW released the rules in a rush to get people playing with it right now. Both things you pointed seems that they didn't re-cheked it. No reason to not have 2 TL SMS, while the barrage clearly ignores cover

Gamgee wrote:So what do people think of the rules?

Only one strength D shot? Granted its a blast, but when fighting titans how do we see this faring?

It seems more like a wide suppression mech than an anti-titan/large thing mech which is the only justifiable use of something so big. I'm not familiar with titan rules though so it's hard to say how good this thing would be at taking them down.

Edit
It seems more Knight level than Titan level.

Edit
In the far future we'll get a true Tau Titan and on that day FW will have my money. This seems like a half step if that was their goal.

I agree with you. Was expecting much more firepower and SHW chassis, not GMC. The D weapon should be 3 S: D large blasts, and the arm weapons should have blast fire modes as well.

It's very resistent, but like the riptide is more a nuisance than a real danger to the enemy (which Crisis and Broadsides still remain)


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agnosto wrote:How many pts is a warhounds with its multiple large blast D shots?

same as base. the weapons are free to exchange.

endlesswaltz123 wrote:

 agnosto wrote:
How many pts is a warhounds with its multiple large blast D shots?

The main issue is that it can strip off any hull points/void shields with it's other weapons then fire the D weapon, whilst almost certainly surviving a turn to get another round of shooting on it.

Someone needs to math hammer 3 of these things vs a warlord, seriously, I think the warlord may be in trouble.

Not at all. Warlords have void shields, 30 HP, S: D ranged weapons and more weapons. It would laugh at the Tau'nar.

Really, don't know how people are so surprised. A Warhound Titan is 150p more, sporting:
- 2 void shields
- AV 14/13/12 (immune to poison, morale, sniper, fleshbane, and GRAV)
- 9 HP
- BS 4
- 2 S: D blast weapons
- kill nearby things when destroyed
- can't be locked in combat
- immune to haywire and maledictions

A GMC has only FnP and immunity to armourbane, while not suffering haywire and melta extra effects. 600p is quite okay for it. If it costed 500 or less, I'd agree with it being too cheap.

The fusion arms should be longer range, similar to the knight thermal cannon; 24" is just silly.

 agnosto wrote:
The fusion arms should be longer range, similar to the knight thermal cannon; 24" is just silly.

Yep. I can't see much use for them - only against IKs or melee WKs. Anything without a invul can be dealt with the Ion arms.

I feel both arm weaposn should have a blast option

The painted models of this look damn amazing.
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Tau-KX139-Ta'unar-Supremacy-Armour