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Space Marines have different models between those units?

Coulda fooled me....lol...

I never even remember which factions use Havocs and which use Devastators, not that it flippin matters since to me theyre just "big gun marines" lol

 Vineheart01 wrote:
Space Marines have different models between those units?

Coulda fooled me....lol...

I never even remember which factions use Havocs and which use Devastators, not that it flippin matters since to me theyre just "big gun marines" lol

The player is supposed to denote it either on the shoulder pad or on the helmet or in some way differentiate the squads; practically, a lot of SM players don't if for no other reason than to be able to move models between one unit to another. Or, it's just too much work, and they're happy they have a coat of paint of any color on the model

For me, I hate the funky colored helmets, and I like sculpted shoulder pads, so it doesn't always work out :(

It does matter a little bit, though, for certain chapter tactics, obsec, etc.

That blurry pic crisis looks very much like an enforcer suit to me.... But you never know

EDIT: Nah scratch that it doesnt really. Also the enforcer suit is 100% OOP it seems...hmmmmm

The shield drone upgrade pack is also OOP

Someone on ATT took a close look at some English versions of the WD and found it will have three support options in the box. So there is some evidence it is being limited in what it can take.

So far we've seen it modeled with a target lock, early warning override, and the shield.

So there is a possibility that might be its only options.

Edit
If that's true then it's going to hamper this thing a lot.

Looking at the new tau stuff, if they do indeed get new crisis suits, I may take the plunge and go farsight enclaves, hoping they are not op though.

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2015/09/tau-titan-latest-pics-its-huge.html

nice new pics

 krazynadechukr wrote:
http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2015/09/tau-titan-latest-pics-its-huge.html

nice new pics

Erm...
September 6th isn't "new".

 Gamgee wrote:
Someone on ATT took a close look at some English versions of the WD and found it will have three support options in the box. So there is some evidence it is being limited in what it can take.

So far we've seen it modeled with a target lock, early warning override, and the shield.

So there is a possibility that might be its only options.

Edit
If that's true then it's going to hamper this thing a lot.

But that makes no sense. Crisis too come with only 3 support systems, but noone ever says they can't take a positional relay. I wouldn't say those 3 are the only options until the codex hits. Heck, Target Lock doesn't even make sense for a Gargantuan unit.

Have we seen this teabagging pic yet?

Speaking of the Ta'unar, am i the only one that gets the Thor voice from Starcraft in my head looking at that thing?

*bad Arnold Schwarzenegger voice acting*
"I could aim, but with this thing, i dont haft to!"

 Kanluwen wrote:

 krazynadechukr wrote:
http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2015/09/tau-titan-latest-pics-its-huge.html

nice new pics

Erm...
September 6th isn't "new".

new pics for me.

 krazynadechukr wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 krazynadechukr wrote:
http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2015/09/tau-titan-latest-pics-its-huge.html

nice new pics

Erm...
September 6th isn't "new".

new pics for me.

And you're in the wrong thread. You're looking for the FW thread.

 Formosa wrote:
Looking at the new tau stuff, if they do indeed get new crisis suits, I may take the plunge and go farsight enclaves, hoping they are not op though.

Might wanna hold out a bit on that one. There's a pretty good chance Farsight Enclaves will be rendered invalid by the new codex. That's what happened with Iyanden when Eldar got updated. Yes Space Marines still get Imperial Fists and Iron Hands (unless my info on that one is wrong), but keep in mind we're talking about a Xenos faction, not an Imperial one. We're probably better off making assumptions based off of the treatment of another Xenos army rather than GW's favorite codex.

Which sucks cause the whole reason I got into Tau was for the battlesuits, so being able to do a full battlesuit army with FE was awesome. If it goes away I'll be sad, but I fully expect to see a formation (hopefully a Core formation) in the Decurion or even a specialized detachment a la Dark Angels for an entirely battlesuit army.

Hoping that a: new crisis suits and b: you can make them troops.

Tau are filling up on the force org quickly too.
For just over 1,000 points you can grab a riptide, stormsurge and the 2 FW tide variants .
So elite, fast, heavy and LOW choices.

I'm half tempted with the FW suits for now until I see crisis suits.
If there's no change I guess I'm paying £96 + postage for 3 hazard suits and converting them myself.

Also hoping "the eight" stay a thing as its a nice bit of character and conversion poten.

 Jackal wrote:
Hoping that a: new crisis suits and b: you can make them troops.

Tau are filling up on the force org quickly too.
For just over 1,000 points you can grab a riptide, stormsurge and the 2 FW tide variants .
So elite, fast, heavy and LOW choices.

Just want to point out that this is very likely to be a Decurion styled book, so the "standard" FOC will not really be an issue.

Also I would not be surprised at all to see a "Tau Rapid Insertion Force" formation making a comeback/appearance in this book as a formation to let players who want to go crazy with the new Crisis Suits do so.
For those who were unaware of it:
It was 9x Crisis Suits and 3x Stealth Suits, along with 19x Gun Drones(basically the amount that they would have came with) released as an Apocalypse formation in a single box.

Here is a clear version of the English rules:

Interesting how you can have a unit of them.
Expensive, but somewhat effective.

Funny how a weapon called a destroyer missile which can pick out a target's weak point is only S8. One shot too.
I guess you do get them for free, but its still pretty lackluster.

 Gamgee wrote:
Someone on ATT took a close look at some English versions of the WD and found it will have three support options in the box. So there is some evidence it is being limited in what it can take.

So far we've seen it modeled with a target lock, early warning override, and the shield.

So there is a possibility that might be its only options.

Edit
If that's true then it's going to hamper this thing a lot.

Yes, 3 options (p 7). Just some text...

P.5 says..

- 2 options for main gun (long range pulse driver cannon and short range pulse blastgcannon)
- 2 missile arrays that include "a cluster rocket system for bombarding enemy infantry, a quartet of destroyer missiles for busting open tanks, and a smart missile system for flushing out enemies that think they're safe hiding in cover"
- Left arm "also caries a defensive turret equipped with twin-linked flamers, burst cannons or airbursting fragmentation projectors which can rotate through 360 degrees of fire at enemies encroaching from behind"

P7 says..

- On the left of the customer rockets is the Stormsurge's targeting array, complete with optional support systems (there are three in the kit). Above the rockets a smart missile system sits elevated ready to fire.

 krazynadechukr wrote:
Have we seen this teabagging pic yet?

Yeah, the legs are pretty bad.
They should really have 3 legs; with 2 they look unbalanced, and going hammer time doesn't help.

 GI_Redshirt wrote:

 Formosa wrote:
Looking at the new tau stuff, if they do indeed get new crisis suits, I may take the plunge and go farsight enclaves, hoping they are not op though.

Might wanna hold out a bit on that one. There's a pretty good chance Farsight Enclaves will be rendered invalid by the new codex. That's what happened with Iyanden when Eldar got updated. Yes Space Marines still get Imperial Fists and Iron Hands (unless my info on that one is wrong), but keep in mind we're talking about a Xenos faction, not an Imperial one. We're probably better off making assumptions based off of the treatment of another Xenos army rather than GW's favorite codex.

Which sucks cause the whole reason I got into Tau was for the battlesuits, so being able to do a full battlesuit army with FE was awesome. If it goes away I'll be sad, but I fully expect to see a formation (hopefully a Core formation) in the Decurion or even a specialized detachment a la Dark Angels for an entirely battlesuit army.

What are you talking about? Iyanden wasn't invalidated, maybe tourneys but who cares what they think, they house rule all sorts anyway, my mate uses Iyanden all the time, why do you think it's not valid anymore?

 Formosa wrote:
What are you talking about? Iyanden wasn't invalidated, maybe tourneys but who cares what they think, they house rule all sorts anyway, my mate uses Iyanden all the time, why do you think it's not valid anymore?

Then why is it no longer for sale if its still a current codex supplement?

Lack of demand precluded reprinting? But, since I haven't looked through Iyanden, would anything prevent you from still using it with the new codex? Like units that no longer exist or something?

vitae_drinker wrote:
Lack of demand precluded reprinting? But, since I haven't looked through Iyanden, would anything prevent you from still using it with the new codex? Like units that no longer exist or something?

And lack of demand has what to do with it not being available digitally?

Email GW with your questions. I can only give supposition. Maybe they just wanted to tweak your nobs?

Iyanden has new relics and allows you to take more spirit seers and big wraith constructs can be warlord. Only thing that doesn't work with the new book is the primaris power they swap from runes of battle that gives nearby wraiths battlefocus.

vitae_drinker wrote:
Lack of demand precluded reprinting? But, since I haven't looked through Iyanden, would anything prevent you from still using it with the new codex? Like units that no longer exist or something?

You can use all of the fluff parts, of course (which is most of the supplement). Some of rules, particularly the army building part, don't necessarily make sense, because they reference things that aren't true anymore, or they were created / balanced in a different context. For instance, when Wraithguard was a troop, they didn't have D weapons, and the WK is referred to as a MC, but it's a GC now.

If your opponent is ok with it, tweaking it to work with the new codex isn't a problem, but it's those pickup games and people who suspect that you're getting an advantage marrying a new codex with an old supplement that you'd run into problems with.

Hmm, honestly I can't think of a reason why Farsight Enclaves wouldn't work with the new codex then, especially since it would be limited to the CAD. Unless they drastically change the way crisis suits work or something lol.

 Talys wrote:

vitae_drinker wrote:
Lack of demand precluded reprinting? But, since I haven't looked through Iyanden, would anything prevent you from still using it with the new codex? Like units that no longer exist or something?

You can use all of the fluff parts, of course (which is most of the supplement). Some of rules, particularly the army building part, don't necessarily make sense, because they reference things that aren't true anymore, or they were created / balanced in a different context. For instance, when Wraithguard was a troop, they didn't have D weapons, and the WK is referred to as a MC, but it's a GC now.

If your opponent is ok with it, tweaking it to work with the new codex isn't a problem, but it's those pickup games and people who suspect that you're getting an advantage marrying a new codex with an old supplement that you'd run into problems with.

Yeah, common sense approach, but I'm being off topic.

Yeah, this is Dakka Dakka. No common sense allowed! /sarc

Sentinels of Terra is still available as a supplement even with the release of the new Codex Space Marines, so there is no clear fate for the Farsight supplement when the new Tau codex is released.