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 Ghaz wrote:

 Fishboy wrote:
Okay reading the full rule set on BOLS the forced snap fire is frigging awesome. Once per game a model with this rule may use it. This means if you have three of these things in a unit you get to use it three times. I want nine...and only because I can't afford 18 heheh....anyone need a Kidney or blood hehehe

Maybe, maybe not.

Maybe it's awesome, Maybe you want 9 or 19, or Maybe you need a kidney or blood?

Incidentally, reading the rules on BoLS -- the Ghostkeel looks great for 130 points. I like the model, too -- just not the red head as painted on the cover art.

Given the bonuses the way that the drone bonuses are worded, I do wonder if the Fireteam rule will let you count the model plus drones as a single entity for the purposes of joining other units.

I also like the Ghostkeel.
Like the model.
Like the rules.

The Cyclic ion Raker seems a better and better looking option than the Fusion collider though.
Melta blast is usually not the most trustworthy type of firepower.

I also wonder if it can take a drone controller and extra shield or gun drones; that would be VERY nice.

I often used a 2 fusion crisis suit to deep strike somewhere and take an important target out. The Ghostkeel kan do that a lot better and also survice the following turn a lot better.

I like it. It's not something you make an army of, but if Stealth teams get a bit better (maybe also get stealth drones), then Tau get a whole different way to play the army.

If someone would like a large-resolution pic of the Stormsurge, GW uploaded a poster for stores:

http://trade.games-workshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Tau_Stormsurge_60T_STE.jpg

I am one of those people who really dislike this model, but it does have some cool elements I'd like to have in my drawer for conversions.

Also there was a range update:

"Range Updates

Our ranges are updated all the time as we bring in exciting new products and retire older slower selling ones."
(...)

Best Seller 1 (removed): Tau Fire Warrior team

Best Seller 1 (removed): Tau Crisis Battlesuit Team

I wonder if the FWs got a complete rework (Crisis suits are almost surely redone) or just a reboxing and the breacher unit will be a new box. I would LOL if the only thing we got is new heads, weapons and shoulder pads for the breacher variant and the rest would be the old FW parts maybe with the decals... That could explain why there will be 10 FWs in the box now and would mean no additional drones in the set...

cheers
Kahnawake

 Jadenim wrote:
Given the bonuses the way that the drone bonuses are worded, I do wonder if the Fireteam rule will let you count the model plus drones as a single entity for the purposes of joining other units.

The wording also makes me wonder if they are standard issue drones that anyone can buy. Grab a ~20 point upgrade and give a snipe-able stealth upgrade to your fire warriors for instance.

 Kahnawake wrote:
If someone would like a large-resolution pic of the Stormsurge, GW uploaded a poster for stores:

http://trade.games-workshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Tau_Stormsurge_60T_STE.jpg

I am one of those people who really dislike this model, but it does have some cool elements I'd like to have in my drawer for conversions.

After looking at it properly, have to say I'm pretty nonplussed by this. Its the same design only bigger and with a few cosmetics. Wheres the NEW from GW nowadays? This is treading water.

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:

After looking at it properly, have to say I'm pretty nonplussed by this. Its the same design only bigger and with a few cosmetics. Wheres the NEW from GW nowadays? This is treading water.

I agree that "MAKE IT BIGGER" replaced innovation and originality at GW. As I said, I really dislike this miniature with the exception of a few tiny parts I'd like to have for conversions.

cheers
Kahnawake

 Kahnawake wrote:

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:

After looking at it properly, have to say I'm pretty nonplussed by this. Its the same design only bigger and with a few cosmetics. Wheres the NEW from GW nowadays? This is treading water.

I agree that "MAKE IT BIGGER" replaced innovation and originality at GW. As I said, I really dislike this miniature with the exception of a few tiny parts I'd like to have for conversions.

cheers
Kahnawake

I don't really dislike it nor do I really like it. I just find it "oh, its bigger. Okay. Next please"

Well, as someone who's only been paying Tau since the Riptide codex came out and were suddenly the top of the tourney charts, I think the Ghostsuck is garbage. It's not stupidly durable with too much firepower for its cost. I'm going to go play Eldar WK spam now.

I'm hoping fire team is a rule where drone casualties do not trigger morale checks or reduce the leadership of the one remaining model if they die.

But a huge Riptide running away because one of the drones has been destroyed gotta be the best thing ever while playing Tau.

cheers
Kahnawake

I have a suspicion Fire Team is the activation rule for the Decurion bonus, as in "All models with fire team get XYZ".

In which case the actual benefit is likely to be relatively small.

changemod wrote:
I have a suspicion Fire Team is the activation rule for the Decurion bonus, as in "All models with fire team get XYZ".

In which case the actual benefit is likely to be relatively small.

I agree with the first part, but not the second.

The core-auxiliary-command formation bonuses are pretty spectacular for most of the factions so far. Look how good the Mechanicus turned out, for instance. I would be shocked if the superformation bonus was a small one... I'm expecting something jaw dropping, that makes everyone go out and buy a bunch of Tau models so that they can build the formation.

 Kahnawake wrote:
But a huge Riptide running away because one of the drones has been destroyed gotta be the best thing ever while playing Tau.

cheers
Kahnawake

In it's current form I wouldn't take the shielded missile drones for the riptide even if they were free.

 Talys wrote:

changemod wrote:
I have a suspicion Fire Team is the activation rule for the Decurion bonus, as in "All models with fire team get XYZ".

In which case the actual benefit is likely to be relatively small.

I agree with the first part, but not the second.

The core-auxiliary-command formation bonuses are pretty spectacular for most of the factions so far. Look how good the Mechanicus turned out, for instance. I would be shocked if the superformation bonus was a small one... I'm expecting something jaw dropping, that makes everyone go out and buy a bunch of Tau models so that they can build the formation.

You misread a little:

I'm saying Fire Team itself is probably minor, partially because the Decurion bonus given to all models with Fire Team would be guaranteed to be amazingly good.

 Talys wrote:

changemod wrote:
I have a suspicion Fire Team is the activation rule for the Decurion bonus, as in "All models with fire team get XYZ".

In which case the actual benefit is likely to be relatively small.

I agree with the first part, but not the second.

The core-auxiliary-command formation bonuses are pretty spectacular for most of the factions so far. Look how good the Mechanicus turned out, for instance. I would be shocked if the superformation bonus was a small one... I'm expecting something jaw dropping, that makes everyone go out and buy a bunch of Tau models so that they can build the formation.

I would expect either increased mobility such as run and shoot, or increased shooting during your turn.
Then again, with the range of some of the new guns, I wouldn't be surprised if it is something like add X" to your weapon profile(s).

I want new crisis suits!!!

Okay GW, you've showcased (leaked) some fantastic new large-scale suits, but what about the little guys??

 XV107 R'VARNA wrote:
I want new crisis suits!!!

Okay GW, you've showcased (leaked) some fantastic new large-scale suits, but what about the little guys??

GW just got everything wrong again and thinks the huge guy was the most aniticipated sales-wise.

cheers
Kahnawake

 Kahnawake wrote:

 XV107 R'VARNA wrote:
I want new crisis suits!!!

Okay GW, you've showcased (leaked) some fantastic new large-scale suits, but what about the little guys??

GW just got everything wrong again and thinks the huge guy was the most aniticipated sales-wise.

cheers
Kahnawake

They haven't gotten anything right in the last 6 years, why start now?

ORicK wrote:

I also wonder if it can take a drone controller and extra shield or gun drones; that would be VERY nice.

The rules are already out. You can't grab any extra drones, only those it comes with.

 Kahnawake wrote:

 XV107 R'VARNA wrote:
I want new crisis suits!!!

Okay GW, you've showcased (leaked) some fantastic new large-scale suits, but what about the little guys??

GW just got everything wrong again and thinks the huge guy was the most aniticipated sales-wise.

cheers
Kahnawake

The big units are most likely considered to have a higher WOW! factor for attracting new buyers than updated versions of already existing things.
And hey look at that, there's no updated codex yet... so maybe GW is trying to drum up interest first and foremost in new customers? Maybe once they've got the shiny toys out of the way they'll formally reveal the new Crisis and Fire Warriors that we've already seen anyway?

Nah, GW is slowed.

!!!ATTENTION!!! !!!ATTENTION!!!

Us Tau players who compete in the ITC format need your HELP!!
Right now the ITC is letting people vote to allow Experimental Rule in. this would include both the Tau XV107 R'varna and XV109 Y'Vahra Battlesuit. which if you asked me has sat on the self for to damn long! This is our chance to change all of this! Cast your vote and support your Tau brethren !

For the greater good!

https://www.frontlinegaming.org/2015/10/06/2015-season-itc-quarterly-update-poll/

 BalerionFireStorm wrote:
!!!ATTENTION!!! !!!ATTENTION!!!

Us Tau players who compete in the ITC format need your HELP!!
Right now the ITC is letting people vote to allow Experimental Rule in. this would include both the Tau XV107 R'varna and XV109 Y'Vahra Battlesuit. which if you asked me has sat on the self for to damn long! This is our chance to change all of this! Cast your vote and support your Tau brethren !

For the greater good!

https://www.frontlinegaming.org/2015/10/06/2015-season-itc-quarterly-update-poll/

Might as well allow experimental rules. Do people honestly believe there is any difference between standard untested rules and untested rules that are labeled "experimental"?

 Kirasu wrote:

 BalerionFireStorm wrote:
!!!ATTENTION!!! !!!ATTENTION!!!

Us Tau players who compete in the ITC format need your HELP!!
Right now the ITC is letting people vote to allow Experimental Rule in. this would include both the Tau XV107 R'varna and XV109 Y'Vahra Battlesuit. which if you asked me has sat on the self for to damn long! This is our chance to change all of this! Cast your vote and support your Tau brethren !

For the greater good!

https://www.frontlinegaming.org/2015/10/06/2015-season-itc-quarterly-update-poll/

Might as well allow experimental rules. Do people honestly believe there is any difference between standard untested rules and untested rules that are labeled "experimental"?

A huge difference: some tournies still ban them.

As a tau player, I voted against.

Forgewrold's experimental are sometimes really out there rule-wise because they try new untested mechanics for the first time.
The things that actually get into books are often far better balanced, despite what some people try to claim.

 BoomWolf wrote:
As a tau player, I voted against.

Forgewrold's experimental are sometimes really out there rule-wise because they try new untested mechanics for the first time.
The things that actually get into books are often far better balanced, despite what some people try to claim.

Erm... and how do you propose to balance them without... testing them?
I hope they allow. Tourney testing is the best way to find how strong a unit really is

 Vector Strike wrote:

 BoomWolf wrote:
As a tau player, I voted against.

Forgewrold's experimental are sometimes really out there rule-wise because they try new untested mechanics for the first time.
The things that actually get into books are often far better balanced, despite what some people try to claim.

Erm... and how do you propose to balance them without... testing them?
I hope they allow. Tourney testing is the best way to find how strong a unit really is

Can you name a unit with the experimental rule that is more "out the rule-wise" then the eldar wraith knight ? Or even comes close to that ?

 Kahnawake wrote:

 XV107 R'VARNA wrote:
I want new crisis suits!!!

Okay GW, you've showcased (leaked) some fantastic new large-scale suits, but what about the little guys??

GW just got everything wrong again and thinks the huge guy was the most aniticipated sales-wise.

cheers
Kahnawake

I don't understand the Tau thinking for the stormsurge as honestly i always thought large targets were to be engaged via Aircaste craft. that the Manta was the titan-killer

its interesting certainly. But something makes me think its a step back in tau technology.

Quite like the Ghostkeel.

ill just wait on the fire warriors if there are new ones. that n crisis suits

migooo wrote:

I don't understand the Tau thinking for the stormsurge as honestly i always thought large targets were to be engaged via Aircaste craft. that the Manta was the titan-killer

The Manta is a transport/gunship. The Tiger Shark A-X-1 is the "titan-killer" but as per the Democles Warzone books (IIRC), it pretty much failed to live up to the expectations and the idea was scrapped.

 AtoMaki wrote:

....failed to live up to the expectations...

On it's first deplyment it one-shot a titian. Methinks it did live up to it's expectation.