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Kroot? Something else coming next week? Or is a reference to Raven Guard?

rollawaythestone wrote:
Kroot? Something else coming next week? Or is a reference to Raven Guard?

Crisis.

And 10pts for the turret isn't too bad either.

The more I look I love the looks of the breachers, and pistol is a nice touch.

That would make sense...

rollawaythestone wrote:
Kroot? Something else coming next week? Or is a reference to Raven Guard?

Patient Hunter is one of the two primary Tau combat tactics discussed in the codex. The other being the Killing Blow.

Yeah they look awesome but the price went up quite a lot... Ugh, damn GW

Kahnawake

 Peregrine wrote:
you GW and your lazy rule authors. Tau use base-8 numbers, not base-10, so why the hell do they have the same 5-10 man squad sizes as everyone else? They're supposed to be 6-12, with some 8-man squads thrown in for variety.

When did 3, 6 & 10 become base-8...? Only Firewarriors and Sniper Drone teams use a 12 man team. Everything else is 3 (Crisis/Broadside), 6 (Stealth) or 10 (Pathinders).

Fire Warriors: -2 guys, +£8.

Good old GW!

Wait, so the two campaign books are named differently but have the same cover and missions? Do they have the same contents or not?

Requizen wrote:
Wait, so the two campaign books are named differently but have the same cover and missions? Do they have the same contents or not?

The two "campaign books" aren't.

They're basically a Stormclaw sized booklet with missions and a formation.

 Thud wrote:
Fire Warriors: -2 guys, +£8.

Good old GW!

Exactly, I see nothing that would justify such a raise in the price. And then I remember that a Sniper drone team consisting of one controller and 3 drones costs almost as much...

 Kahnawake wrote:

 Thud wrote:
Fire Warriors: -2 guys, +£8.

Good old GW!

Exactly, I see nothing that would justify such a raise in the price. And then I remember that a Sniper drone team consisting of one controller and 3 drones costs almost as much...

Really?

You see nothing that would justify such a raise in the price?

How about new drones and the fact that it's a new kit rather than just "Fire Warriors"?

$50 is a joke. Better than the $35 5-man squads they've done for other factions, but definitely kills my desire to buy a bunch of the new boxes.

It does indeed look like crisis suits are coming out after all, but I'm expecting a similar jump in price. At least $85 like the riptide, maybe even just below triple digits, assuming they remain a pack of three.

I liked the visuals (specially the turret), and the guns are so-so, but bring an 'in your face' idea that SS didn't - they DO work better if you go close to the enemy. They'll more or less need devilfishes to come close enough and deal damage. they'll die, of course, but then you use the rest of your army to win the game.

If the devilfishes remain the same, you can have a 125p group to bother the enemy.

I'd only use the tower if I kept them in the backline, serving as counter-charge. Not being able to deploy the turret after disembarking isn't good.

The Tau terrain looks AWESOME. I don't think I need Aegis anymore

I also really like the terrain, but it doesn't look like much for $160. Typical GW though I guess.

I am DEFINITELY getting that new Space Marine Campaign box. That Captain is great looking. He will probably be made into my Chapter Champion. Great pose and detailing. Though, honestly, I have zero need for VV or another land speeder, so I might just grab the Captain off eBay when he shows up on there.

for $160 that tau terrain had better have enough real estate to cover a good portion of our deployment zone. Jesus!

 Sidstyler wrote:
I also really like the terrain, but it doesn't look like much for $160. Typical GW though I guess.

Honestly?



That's apparently what you get for $160. That's a better deal than the Wall of Martyrs stuff by far.

The part that impresses me the most though is that it's apparently mobile and the rules are likely in the Tau Codex.

€125 for the tidal wall

Yee Gods, Im an absolute terrain nut but for 125 quid, this better be an insane piece of casting.

Have I missed a picture here? Its a trench line piece essentially?


edit: Kan beat me first. 125 for a gun and some low-rise walls? Ouch.

Ok, Im going from mid tier white knight to black knight VS GW

 Kanluwen wrote:

Really?

You see nothing that would justify such a raise in the price?

How about new drones and the fact that it's a new kit rather than just "Fire Warriors"?

Oh damn, silly me. It sounds so much better when you put it that way. It seems quite a bargain now!

Jokes aside... I wanted to buy a box right away but now I am hesitant. That is a rip off.

Kahnawake

The Crisis suit pictures look good, but we still don't know for sure about whether they're new models or just the previously debunked conversions. Would still be really cool if they turned out to be legit. The campaign book being confirmed is great news, as GW might give some love to other factions as well. The Breacher Team's rules seem okay; they're like IG veterans without the special weapons, but with a turret, better gun, and 5++ save. At 9 points for a troop unit they're decently costed too. I'm just wary of how Supporting Fire could make the short-range profile ridiculous on overwatch.

Kanluwen wrote:Boooooooooo. You save nothing with these boxes.

Heresy! Official GW policy forbids any sort of bundled savings!

Peregrine wrote: you GW and your lazy rule authors. Tau use base-8 numbers, not base-10, so why the hell do they have the same 5-10 man squad sizes as everyone else? They're supposed to be 6-12, with some 8-man squads thrown in for variety.

Unfortunately, everyone else uses base ten when calculating points values for games. This just makes it easier to fit into lists with fewer points going over or left to waste. i will admit though that it is a disappointment from a fluff standpoint.

Vhalyar wrote:Maximum kawaii, featuring Turret-chan.

Spoiler:

Uguu~~

Grimdark beats kawaii any day! SUFFER NOT THE KAWAII TO LIVE!

So, by my quick calculation, these campaign boxes save you about $10 each when you take into account how much GW is now charging for new plastic characters. That's pretty poor compared to what you usually get in their boxed sets.

So that Ethereal is wearing chest armor.

 TheNewBlood wrote:
The Crisis suit pictures look good, but we still don't know for sure about whether they're new models or just the previously debunked conversions. Would still be really cool if they turned out to be legit. The campaign book being confirmed is great news, as GW might give some love to other factions as well. The Breacher Team's rules seem okay; they're like IG veterans without the special weapons, but with a turret, better gun, and 5++ save. At 9 points for a troop unit they're decently costed too. I'm just wary of how Supporting Fire could make the short-range profile ridiculous on overwatch.

It's worth mentioning that an actual "campaign book" isn't confirmed just yet. These are just boxes that come with 32 page booklets ala Stormclaw or Deathstorm...just minus you getting both sides at the same time.

Kanluwen wrote:Boooooooooo. You save nothing with these boxes.

Heresy! Official GW policy forbids any sort of bundled savings!

Actually, most of the "bundles" where there is a box involved save you anywhere from $15-$40.

I redid the numbers and you basically get either the Captain or the Land Speeder for $20 instead of $30($40+$50+$30+$30 going off list prices of equivalents).

The actual value of the sets are up to the buyer though.

In Australia, the marine box contents are 65 for vanguard, 70 for sternguard and 50 for speeder = 185. So it's $55 for the captain and book. Seems like a pretty bad deal. Maybe the veterans are getting a price increase.

damn that fortification comes with Heavy Rail Guns. Sweet.

fergusm wrote:
In Australia, the marine box contents are 65 for vanguard, 70 for sternguard and 50 for speeder = 185. So it's $55 for the captain and book. Seems like a pretty bad deal. Maybe the veterans are getting a price increase.

Price of Veterans has stayed pretty consistent.

US wise: $40 for Vanguard Veterans, $50 for Sternguard. $30 for the Land Speeder.

Equivalent plastic Captain model(the plastic clamshell) is $30 as well.
90 for both Veteran squads and 30 for the Speeder puts you at 120 plus 30 for the Captain puts you at 150; so you save like $10(I'm not counting the "book" because it says it's 32 pages which puts it in line with the little brief things in starter boxes).

 Kanluwen wrote:
The part that impresses me the most though is that it's apparently mobile and the rules are likely in the Tau Codex.

Are you just basing that on the fact that it's floating? Because nothing so far has indicated mobility. Though that would definitely be very Tau.

 Vhalyar wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
The part that impresses me the most though is that it's apparently mobile and the rules are likely in the Tau Codex.

Are you just basing that on the fact that it's floating? Because nothing so far has indicated mobility. Though that would definitely be very Tau.

can you imagine how tough that would be in game though, to move that entire fortification even 3" a turn? by the time you get anywhere you'd be unable to move it because of existing terrain.