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2015/10/14 16:50:37
Subject: Tau Rumors: New FireW and 2 Giant Suits? P13 for Pics. P37 for Stormsurge rules. P55 for Transfer Sh
godardc wrote: I don't think I saw this picture on the topic,
I took it in an independent dealer's shop.
Pathfinder have the new stuff apparently.
What 'new stuff'? That looks like the same contents of the current box.
'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
2015/10/14 19:49:46
Subject: Re:Tau Rumors: New FireW and 2 Giant Suits? P13 for Pics. P37 for Stormsurge rules. P55 for Transfer Sh
So does anyone have a firm guess on what the "Fire Team" rule that is listed on the Ghostkeel profile probably does? It seems like an interesting ability when combined with the Ghostkeel / Stormsurge bundle/formation listed on GW:
This bundle will give you everything you need in order to field the Heavy Retribution Cadre, as found in Codex: Tau Empire. Three Ghostkeel Battlesuits lead the charge, spotting and advising, while two Stormsurges absorb their data, take aim, and annihilate. Five crushing examples of Tau tech!
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2015/10/14 21:08:53
Subject: Tau Rumors: New FireW and 2 Giant Suits? P13 for Pics. P37 for Stormsurge rules. P55 for Transfer Sh
I was thinking it might have to do with Drones and squads having mixed unit types but the Breachers lack the rule. We know more than one unit has the rule as otherwise it would have been detailed in the Ghostkeel profile. Honestly it could be anything, even something like allowing independent characters to join units of monstrous creatures. I'm guessing it's either exclusive to Battlesuits (most likely) or exclusive to monstrous creatures in the codex.
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2015/10/14 21:18:54
Subject: Tau Rumors: New FireW and 2 Giant Suits? P13 for Pics. P37 for Stormsurge rules. P55 for Transfer Sh
Considering Ghostkeels are a close/semi-close range unit and are fairly good at melee, i expected the Fire Team to be melee orientated and Breachers were going to also include it and have it be limited to the two of them since theyre the most likely to see melee combat.
I was so wrong lol. Breachers are void of that rule.
Somehow i doubt its a suit-specific rule, they could easily just tack it into the Suit profile then like Multitrackers or BSFilters. But considering Breachers lack it and theyre even MORE likely to see melee than Ghostkeels, i have no idea what the heck that rule could mean or who else might have it.
Only other guess i have, which is one hell of a guess, is maybe it has to deal with the Melta shots like max-range Melta bonus or something. Total speculation and im probably wrong though.
An ork with an idea tends to end with a bang.
14000pts Big 'n Bad Orkz
6000pts Admech/Knights
7500pts Necron Goldboys
2015/10/14 21:22:21
Subject: Tau Rumors: New FireW and 2 Giant Suits? P13 for Pics. P37 for Stormsurge rules. P55 for Transfer Sh
Apparently someone is saying the Tidewall can reflect shots back at its opponent from reading the description. Hahah.
If that's true that is far more troll worthy than the Ta'unar. Is the Ta'unar better? Yes, but imagine the looks on their faces as their own shots are killing them.
Hahah.
2015/10/14 21:28:06
Subject: Tau Rumors: New FireW and 2 Giant Suits? P13 for Pics. P37 for Stormsurge rules. P55 for Transfer Sh
Honestly the more troll-worthy part by far is that the damn thing moves. You can cover a lot of space with its sheer bulk and, assuming it is a defence line of some kind, solve two major Tau-specific problems in one hit; dying too easily and not being able to safely take objectives. Not to mention unsuspecting opponents will be like "OMGWTF IT MOVES!?"
2015/10/14 21:28:37
Subject: Tau Rumors: New FireW and 2 Giant Suits? P13 for Pics. P37 for Stormsurge rules. P55 for Transfer Sh
Gamgee wrote: Apparently someone is saying the Tidewall can reflect shots back at its opponent from reading the description. Hahah.
If that's true that is far more troll worthy than the Ta'unar. Is the Ta'unar better? Yes, but imagine the looks on their faces as their own shots are killing them.
Hahah.
Better yet. Ta'unar with a toe in behind the Tidewall.
2015/10/14 21:31:03
Subject: Tau Rumors: New FireW and 2 Giant Suits? P13 for Pics. P37 for Stormsurge rules. P55 for Transfer Sh
Thing is, its so huge that unless it bends and folds or simply goes OVER terrain, its not going to be able to do much more than shimmy around.
Thats why im so heated about crisis suits getting a base size increase. When you actually play with terrain and dont contour to gunlines by having LoS blocks all over the place, large bases get in the way.
An ork with an idea tends to end with a bang.
14000pts Big 'n Bad Orkz
6000pts Admech/Knights
7500pts Necron Goldboys
2015/10/14 21:36:47
Subject: Tau Rumors: New FireW and 2 Giant Suits? P13 for Pics. P37 for Stormsurge rules. P55 for Transfer Sh
Seeing as the terrain is floating the only parts where it actually touches the ground are in the middle of each piece. I wouldn't be too worried as there might be a rule for individual sections detaching.
2015/10/14 21:49:15
Subject: Tau Rumors: New FireW and 2 Giant Suits? P13 for Pics. P37 for Stormsurge rules. P55 for Transfer Sh
Caederes wrote: I was thinking it might have to do with Drones and squads having mixed unit types but the Breachers lack the rule. We know more than one unit has the rule as otherwise it would have been detailed in the Ghostkeel profile. Honestly it could be anything, even something like allowing independent characters to join units of monstrous creatures. I'm guessing it's either exclusive to Battlesuits (most likely) or exclusive to monstrous creatures in the codex.
You're missing an important part of what might be the difference:
Breachers are not coming, as standard, with Drones. Ghostkeels cannot be purchased without their attendant two Stealth Drones. "Fireteams" might very well be that each Ghostkeel and its attendant Drones might form their own "Unit" that operates independently of the others, ala a more advanced version of "Combat Squad" rules.
Additionally? Breachers and Drones are both classified as Infantry, with Drones just adding in the relevant rules for "Jump Infantry".
It really is worth noting though that Ghostkeels have been the only thing seen so far with that special rule. Stormsurge didn't have it and Breachers don't have it, but neither of those units come with Drones as standard either.
2015/10/14 21:52:45
Subject: Tau Rumors: New FireW and 2 Giant Suits? P13 for Pics. P37 for Stormsurge rules. P55 for Transfer Sh
I'm aware of that but it doesn't really make sense for the unit to gain the rule only specifically when it has Drones as the Ghostkeel itself has Fire Team, not its Drones. I still think it has to do more with Battlesuits than anything else.
2015/10/14 21:56:35
Subject: Tau Rumors: New FireW and 2 Giant Suits? P13 for Pics. P37 for Stormsurge rules. P55 for Transfer Sh
Caederes wrote: I'm aware of that but it doesn't really make sense for the unit to gain the rule only specifically when it has Drones as the Ghostkeel itself has Fire Team, not its Drones. I still think it has to do more with Battlesuits than anything else.
Okay.
You're missing what I'm saying I think. Read the option for taking additional Ghostkeels in the Ghostkeel unit entry we got from White Dwarf:
May include up to two additional Ghostkeel Shas'vre, each with two MV5 Stealth Drones
If "Fireteam" was a rule for Drones and mixed units, don't you think it would be present on the Breachers?
2015/10/14 21:59:26
Subject: Tau Rumors: New FireW and 2 Giant Suits? P13 for Pics. P37 for Stormsurge rules. P55 for Transfer Sh
Gamgee wrote: Apparently someone is saying the Tidewall can reflect shots back at its opponent from reading the description. Hahah.
If that's true that is far more troll worthy than the Ta'unar. Is the Ta'unar better? Yes, but imagine the looks on their faces as their own shots are killing them.
Hahah.
Better yet. Ta'unar with a toe in behind the Tidewall.
Someday I'll have both. Someday. This new limited terrain is priority though. Looks way to fun.
2015/10/14 22:08:40
Subject: Tau Rumors: New FireW and 2 Giant Suits? P13 for Pics. P37 for Stormsurge rules. P55 for Transfer Sh
Caederes wrote: I'm aware of that but it doesn't really make sense for the unit to gain the rule only specifically when it has Drones as the Ghostkeel itself has Fire Team, not its Drones. I still think it has to do more with Battlesuits than anything else.
Okay.
You're missing what I'm saying I think. Read the option for taking additional Ghostkeels in the Ghostkeel unit entry we got from White Dwarf:
May include up to two additional Ghostkeel Shas'vre, each with two MV5 Stealth Drones
If "Fireteam" was a rule for Drones and mixed units, don't you think it would be present on the Breachers?
I understand what you are saying perfectly. I'm eliminating the possibilities of what the rule does by saying I don't think it would be a rule just any unit would get from having Drones as I actually mentioned in my earlier comment. For the last part of your comment, you're actually agreeing with my assertion that it probably has nothing to do with mixed units as I said earlier; "I was thinking it might have to do with Drones and squads having mixed unit types but the Breachers lack the rule."
Which leads into my best guess being that it is probably a rule that won't appear on any of the regular Infantry units.
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2015/10/14 22:26:24
Subject: Tau Rumors: New FireW and 2 Giant Suits? P13 for Pics. P37 for Stormsurge rules. P55 for Transfer Sh
The blurb about Ghostkeels helping Stormsurges hit better may be the fireteam rule, not just a formation specific rule. Possibly that enemy units hit by, or with a specific range of the Ghostkeel get a bonus to being shot.
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2015/10/14 23:07:07
Subject: Tau Rumors: New FireW and 2 Giant Suits? P13 for Pics. P37 for Stormsurge rules. P55 for Transfer Sh
That might be possible, that could also be a rule that the other "skirmisher" or support type units possess, i.e. Pathfinders and Stealth Teams.
Honestly, if I had to take a guess as to what it does right now....
The rule is called "Fire Team" and so far we know it is on the Ghostkeel, which comprises between one and three Ghostkeels plus between two to six Drones. Not all rule names reflect what the actual rules themselves do for a unit but generally you can see the logic behind the marriage of title and effect.
With all that in mind, I'm guessing it has something to do with how squads are comprised. In this case, Kanluwen's earlier suggestion that it could be a form of Combat Squads would actually make a lot of sense, and it could be pretty powerful too as it would alleviate any stress on the Force Organization Chart for Tau and give them lots of extra scoring units ala Space Marines. While the first benefit might be made redundant by the Decurion-style detachment it would still be a cool rule IMO.
2015/10/14 23:37:45
Subject: Re:Tau Rumors: New FireW and 2 Giant Suits? P13 for Pics. P37 for Stormsurge rules. P55 for Transfer Sh
Agies Grimm:The "Learn to play, bro" mentality is mostly just a way for someone to try to shame you by implying that their metaphorical nerd-wiener is bigger than yours. Which, ironically, I think nerds do even more vehemently than jocks.
Everything is made up and the points don't matter. 40K or Who's Line is it Anyway?
Auticus wrote: Or in summation: its ok to exploit shoddy points because those are rules and gamers exist to find rules loopholes (they are still "legal"), but if the same force can be composed without structure, it emotionally feels "wrong".
2015/10/14 23:40:00
Subject: Tau Rumors: New FireW and 2 Giant Suits? P13 for Pics. P37 for Stormsurge rules. P55 for Transfer Sh
Gamgee wrote: Apparently someone is saying the Tidewall can reflect shots back at its opponent from reading the description. Hahah.
If that's true that is far more troll worthy than the Ta'unar. Is the Ta'unar better? Yes, but imagine the looks on their faces as their own shots are killing them.
Hahah.
It's gonna be fun moving it and backing the enemy into a corner of the board! Nice way to block in White Scars & Ravenwing!
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Didn't see English versions, but I admit I haven't read every page Here is the text of the 2 pages on Tidewall, specifically, those that mention that (a) it can move and (b) it reflects shots back on the attackers.
How it can advance and withdraw as required:
How it can "deflect incoming fire, often with devastating results for the attackers":
An ork with an idea tends to end with a bang. 
14000pts Big 'n Bad Orkz
6000pts Admech/Knights
7500pts Necron Goldboys 
