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Does it bother anybody else that the Stormsurge has no arms?
I love the gun. I love the size of the model. I love the aesthetics of the model.
But my brain really wants to see arms on it. It looks wrong to me. GW has once again ALMOST gotten it right but left a massive, disappointing flaw.

I would guess skysweep would be the aircraft one.

I just really want to see the new formations and see if there are any that are good to tack onto my Necrons. I'm not really interested in starting an entire Tau army, but Formations are nice because if you want some specific unit, there's generally a way to get a really good version of it for some tax.

Namely, if I can get some good special/heavy weapons and/or fast shooting units, that'd be nice.

 Archonate wrote:
Does it bother anybody else that the Stormsurge has no arms?
I love the gun. I love the size of the model. I love the aesthetics of the model.
But my brain really wants to see arms on it. It looks wrong to me. GW has once again ALMOST gotten it right but left a massive, disappointing flaw.

Not really. I love the Battletech-Longbow-esque look. Mortis-Dreads have been doin it for ages too.

 Archonate wrote:
Does it bother anybody else that the Stormsurge has no arms?
I love the gun. I love the size of the model. I love the aesthetics of the model.
But my brain really wants to see arms on it. It looks wrong to me. GW has once again ALMOST gotten it right but left a massive, disappointing flaw.

The armlessness annoyed me at the start, but it as grown on me. (that will not stop me from giving it arms when I get my own and convert it)

I am a bad judge to base ideas off of there though...the other oft-criticized aesthetic is the exposed cockpit, which I think is kind of cool, but most people do not like.

It's low on my buying list ATM though.

 Archonate wrote:
Does it bother anybody else that the Stormsurge has no arms?
I love the gun. I love the size of the model. I love the aesthetics of the model.
But my brain really wants to see arms on it. It looks wrong to me. GW has once again ALMOST gotten it right but left a massive, disappointing flaw.

Absolutely. If I ever got one, I'd convert some onto it.

vitae_drinker wrote:
I would guess skysweep would be the aircraft one.

It was called the "Skysweep Missile Defence Wing", and was in Apocalypse Reload. Wasn't aircraft though.

 Nilok wrote:

It is at least clear enough that it is fast attack as it has the same slot symbol as the Pathfinders.

Ah, that makes sense.

 warboss wrote:

 Archonate wrote:
Does it bother anybody else that the Stormsurge has no arms?
I love the gun. I love the size of the model. I love the aesthetics of the model.
But my brain really wants to see arms on it. It looks wrong to me. GW has once again ALMOST gotten it right but left a massive, disappointing flaw.

Absolutely. If I ever got one, I'd convert some onto it.

The thing that pops into my mind immediately is someone converting tiny T-Rex arms onto it

rawr!

 Archonate wrote:
Does it bother anybody else that the Stormsurge has no arms?
I love the gun. I love the size of the model. I love the aesthetics of the model.
But my brain really wants to see arms on it. It looks wrong to me. GW has once again ALMOST gotten it right but left a massive, disappointing flaw.

Don't worry, T-Rex bot looks like he can handle himself quite nicely

It's funny to me, not really a disappointment as it is to you apparently. Have to be able to laugh at these things otherwise you're taking your crack addiction (minis) just a little too seriously. And no one is stopping you from droping a few bucks for the Riptide arm bits and just putting those on him. Probably would work quite nicely, could give him the shield (we all know we'll be paying for) on one arm and undersling the big blaster on the other arm. Voila, Rip-Surge.

Initially i had plans on converting arms onto the stormsurge, but i found it doesnt look bad at all when its not in its "taking a dump" pose on the boxart.
Also i dont feel confident in my kitbashing skills to scratchbuild the arms to the same level of quality the body is at, that and the socket the arms attach to is a bit dinky and i was afraid it would look odd.

I actually like my Stormsurge paintjob better than the boxart. And its lacking the wear effect and could still use more darkening in spots.


Right now i have my entire Tau army on the table so i can see what the heck needs to be painted still. The stormsurge is in the way back next to my 2 riptides that are painted (3rd isnt fully assembled yet, he has electronics stuff im trying to re-hide). Every time i walk into my apartment the first thing i see is this behemoth towering over my army lol. Its epic.

Ooh, I like that.

Standing definitely seems to be the better pose.

Like the purple! Very nice

 Vineheart01 wrote:
Initially i had plans on converting arms onto the stormsurge, but i found it doesnt look bad at all when its not in its "taking a dump" pose on the boxart.
Also i dont feel confident in my kitbashing skills to scratchbuild the arms to the same level of quality the body is at, that and the socket the arms attach to is a bit dinky and i was afraid it would look odd.

I actually like my Stormsurge paintjob better than the boxart. And its lacking the wear effect and could still use more darkening in spots.

Spoiler:

Right now i have my entire Tau army on the table so i can see what the heck needs to be painted still. The stormsurge is in the way back next to my 2 riptides that are painted (3rd isnt fully assembled yet, he has electronics stuff im trying to re-hide). Every time i walk into my apartment the first thing i see is this behemoth towering over my army lol. Its epic.

Very nice work on that one Vineheart!

Anyone here anything about tide wall being sold seperatly? Heard that after this weekend they will go for preorder.

 Ghaz wrote:
Based on what? They dropped the Iyanden supplement when the new Eldar codex came out so its a possibility that it will no longer be a valid publication.

Iyanden stopped being useful because it refers to a book that is no longer valid (Codex: Eldar) that was replaced with a different book (Codex: Craftworlds). FE Supplement refers to Codex: Tau Empire, which is what the book is still named. Still will work without GW saying it can't.

 stompygitz wrote:
Anyone here anything about tide wall being sold seperatly? Heard that after this weekend they will go for preorder.

Heard that too. Lookgin forward to buy another gunrig. This kit a pleasure to build

 stompygitz wrote:
Anyone here anything about tide wall being sold seperatly? Heard that after this weekend they will go for preorder.

Forget who it was but someone said its the same as the previous fortification bundle - the "limited edition" is the all in one box thing. Some time by the end of the year or so it will be available individually.
If this wasnt GW, i could see making it legit limited edition. But this is GW. They wont ever make a mold and not try to get bookoo bucks from whatever comes out of it. Even all the unique models for the starter packs get them a lot of money because people will buy the whole kit for one model (Deffkoptas anyone? lol...)

Also thanks for the compliments on my Stormsurge guys. Fether took me nearly 3 solid days to paint lol. Coupled with the price, i never intend to get another one. Wont be upset if i get one for free somehow though lol

 pretre wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:
Based on what? They dropped the Iyanden supplement when the new Eldar codex came out so its a possibility that it will no longer be a valid publication.

Iyanden stopped being useful because it refers to a book that is no longer valid (Codex: Eldar) that was replaced with a different book (Codex: Craftworlds). FE Supplement refers to Codex: Tau Empire, which is what the book is still named. Still will work without GW saying it can't.

And that could have been fixed with a one line FAQ. If the Farsight Enclaves book is removed from sale, we'll know what GW's position on the matter is.

 Ghaz wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:
Based on what? They dropped the Iyanden supplement when the new Eldar codex came out so its a possibility that it will no longer be a valid publication.

Iyanden stopped being useful because it refers to a book that is no longer valid (Codex: Eldar) that was replaced with a different book (Codex: Craftworlds). FE Supplement refers to Codex: Tau Empire, which is what the book is still named. Still will work without GW saying it can't.

And that could have been fixed with a one line FAQ.

You're not expecting consistency and common sense from Gw, are you?

 derling wrote:

 Archonate wrote:
Does it bother anybody else that the Stormsurge has no arms?
I love the gun. I love the size of the model. I love the aesthetics of the model.
But my brain really wants to see arms on it. It looks wrong to me. GW has once again ALMOST gotten it right but left a massive, disappointing flaw.

The armlessness annoyed me at the start, but it as grown on me. (that will not stop me from giving it arms when I get my own and convert it)

I am a bad judge to base ideas off of there though...the other oft-criticized aesthetic is the exposed cockpit, which I think is kind of cool, but most people do not like.

It's low on my buying list ATM though.

Oh yes. If I get one, it will have arms and they will be glorious.

 Vector Strike wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:
Based on what? They dropped the Iyanden supplement when the new Eldar codex came out so its a possibility that it will no longer be a valid publication.

Iyanden stopped being useful because it refers to a book that is no longer valid (Codex: Eldar) that was replaced with a different book (Codex: Craftworlds). FE Supplement refers to Codex: Tau Empire, which is what the book is still named. Still will work without GW saying it can't.

And that could have been fixed with a one line FAQ.

You're not expecting consistency and common sense from Gw, are you?

You do realize that supports my position in that we don't know what the fate of the Farsight Enclaves supplement will be once the new codex drops. It will either stay like the Sentinels of Terra supplement or it won't like the Iyanden supplement. Just because some see the Farsight Enclaves supplement working perfectly fine as is with the new codex doesn't mean that it won't be pulled.

 derling wrote:
...the other oft-criticized aesthetic is the exposed cockpit, which I think is kind of cool, but most people do not like.

Given that none of the other suits are open topped and that the "head" can't see the ground in front of the crew compartment anyway makes it pretty darn silly to have it that way.

 Ghaz wrote:

 Vector Strike wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:
Based on what? They dropped the Iyanden supplement when the new Eldar codex came out so its a possibility that it will no longer be a valid publication.

Iyanden stopped being useful because it refers to a book that is no longer valid (Codex: Eldar) that was replaced with a different book (Codex: Craftworlds). FE Supplement refers to Codex: Tau Empire, which is what the book is still named. Still will work without GW saying it can't.

And that could have been fixed with a one line FAQ.

You're not expecting consistency and common sense from Gw, are you?

You do realize that supports my position in that we don't know what the fate of the Farsight Enclaves supplement will be once the new codex drops. It will either stay like the Sentinels of Terra supplement or it won't like the Iyanden supplement. Just because some see the Farsight Enclaves supplement working perfectly fine as is with the new codex doesn't mean that it won't be pulled.

I think the widespread acceptance/disallowing of a supplement also partially comes from what it adds to the army and how those additions work with a new codex.

The SM codices basically just replace the Artifacts lists and Warlord Traits if I understand correctly. Slightly different Chapter Tactics that are pretty similar to their "parent" CTs. Nothing that interacts brokenly with rewritten units as I understand it.

The Iyanden supplement has a lot of things that were replaced or just make obsolete with the new Codex. Voice of Twilight (give your Wraith units Battle Focus) is replaced with the new Wraith formation. The Wraithknight bonuses also would be pretty broken with the new GC rules, as there is a piece of Wargear that let you heal a WK on a 3+, and another that lets you make a Wraithknight your Warlord. Those would be flat out broken given the state of WKs.

What does Farsight give aside from the ability to make Crisis Suits Troops and the different Warlord Traits/Relics? Anything that would be broken with the new unit inclusions?

Requizen wrote:


I think the widespread acceptance/disallowing of a supplement also partially comes from what it adds to the army and how those additions work with a new codex.

The SM codices basically just replace the Artifacts lists and Warlord Traits if I understand correctly. Slightly different Chapter Tactics that are pretty similar to their "parent" CTs. Nothing that interacts brokenly with rewritten units as I understand it.

The Iyanden supplement has a lot of things that were replaced or just make obsolete with the new Codex. Voice of Twilight (give your Wraith units Battle Focus) is replaced with the new Wraith formation. The Wraithknight bonuses also would be pretty broken with the new GC rules, as there is a piece of Wargear that let you heal a WK on a 3+, and another that lets you make a Wraithknight your Warlord. Those would be flat out broken given the state of WKs.

What does Farsight give aside from the ability to make Crisis Suits Troops and the different Warlord Traits/Relics? Anything that would be broken with the new unit inclusions?

Just some new character data slates which are all based off of either crisis suits, the riptide, or the XV-88. Otherwise not a damned thing beyond Crisis Suit as a troop choice. No new unit types, just an optional version of the Farsight Bodyguard (which apparently will still exist) I really would be beyond shocked if somehow the FS book became unusable. Especially with the whole "the 6ed book still works for existing models" bit, since every one of the FS unit stat lines is in that book. Only reason to do it would be to discontinue Commander Farsight in general and his melee version of the Tau.

 Breotan wrote:

 derling wrote:
...the other oft-criticized aesthetic is the exposed cockpit, which I think is kind of cool, but most people do not like.

Given that none of the other suits are open topped and that the "head" can't see the ground in front of the crew compartment anyway makes it pretty darn silly to have it that way.

It's all good. I can see your side.

everyone likes what they like

 Breotan wrote:

 derling wrote:
...the other oft-criticized aesthetic is the exposed cockpit, which I think is kind of cool, but most people do not like.

Given that none of the other suits are open topped and that the "head" can't see the ground in front of the crew compartment anyway makes it pretty darn silly to have it that way.

So any thoughts from folks yet what they are going to use to enclose that cockpit? Some folks already have it, wondering if any loose bits/parts from other models fit the bill nicely, or if anyone has found a nice see-through plastic cockpit cover in any other game models.

GreyDragoon wrote:

 Breotan wrote:

 derling wrote:
...the other oft-criticized aesthetic is the exposed cockpit, which I think is kind of cool, but most people do not like.

Given that none of the other suits are open topped and that the "head" can't see the ground in front of the crew compartment anyway makes it pretty darn silly to have it that way.

So any thoughts from folks yet what they are going to use to enclose that cockpit? Some folks already have it, wondering if any loose bits/parts from other models fit the bill nicely, or if anyone has found a nice see-through plastic cockpit cover in any other game models.

I was thinking the arc part of the Tau Vehicle Command upgrade could fit as a lid if some cutting was done

It would take a bit more than a single piece to cover the Stormsurge cockpit because the middle pilot's head sticks up slightly. You would basically have to block line of sight of the main head in order to cover the cockpit up.

Then again if youre intent is to completely mask it then thats a different story, as you can just leave the pilots out.