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Well, judging from the cover and from that book art from a while ago, Shadowsun has this habit of going into melee with Space Marines, and you'd think that the brilliant Tau commander would realise that is bound to end badly sooner or later.

 Ashiraya wrote:
Well, judging from the cover and from that book art from a while ago, Shadowsun has this habit of going into melee with Space Marines, and you'd think that the brilliant Tau commander would realise that is bound to end badly sooner or later.

Was going to say- a Tau in melee doesn't really end that well lol.

 Ashiraya wrote:
Well, judging from the cover and from that book art from a while ago, Shadowsun has this habit of going into melee with Space Marines, and you'd think that the brilliant Tau commander would realise that is bound to end badly sooner or later.

Well Farsight has gone so far as to weld a sword onto his crisis suit, and that hasn't turned out poorly for him....yet...

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
The impression I got was that Kauyon isn't going to include the new Formations and Detachment, just the new units and updated pages for new units (if they exist), and will instead have its own unique Formations.

I honestly don't know what it's going to include.

I know how the GW WD information SAYS it will operate with the 6th edition codex. (this leads people to speculate as to how the rules must be broken out into Old and New.)

I just don't trust GW's writing skills, in rule form or WD Marketing text, enough to accurately discern that the RAW intent of their words mean when saying that the Tau player will have everything he needs to use the old codex with the rule contents of Kayoun.

We already know it will make SOME changes to currently existing Unit entries (The Command er and FireWarrior Strike Teams are the only entires we've seen and they both include SOME type of change), so the notion that the entries between old and new are already technically incorrect. They could provide the errata in Kayoun in some other fashion (Errata pages, BOx outs, etc) but that can alter the rule system as well.

I reserve judgement to that point when I have both book in my hands.

 Ashiraya wrote:
Well, judging from the cover and from that book art from a while ago, Shadowsun has this habit of going into melee with Space Marines, and you'd think that the brilliant Tau commander would realise that is bound to end badly sooner or later.

We can all hope that it ends with her skull cast in silver and looking down the road to the White Scars Fortress Monastary.

Edit: they may even set it up so Aun'va sets her up for the fall, since they have a falling out at the end of the assault on Voltoris. I could see him replacing her with someone easier to control and less hot headed.

What book is the lore with Shadowsun's most recent attack in? I keep hearing how she attacked and got beaten pretty bad and stuff about Aun'va but I can't find any plot summaries anywhere.


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Also, are the new Fire Warrior Strikers the same exact sculpt as the old ones? I have 40 or so og FW's and would like to just buy the drone turret through eBay or something but if it's an up to date mould for them that's fixed things like the messed up left leg plate I may buy new ones!

Noctem wrote:
What book is the lore with Shadowsun's most recent attack in? I keep hearing how she attacked and got beaten pretty bad and stuff about Aun'va but I can't find any plot summaries anywhere.


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Also, are the new Fire Warrior Strikers the same exact sculpt as the old ones? I have 40 or so og FW's and would like to just buy the drone turret through eBay or something but if it's an up to date mould for them that's fixed things like the messed up left leg plate I may buy new ones!

She gets beat down by khan, shrike, and tybalt on the House Terryn home world in the Warzone Damocles Anthology, don't remember which one.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Damocles_(Anthology)

 derling wrote:

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
The impression I got was that Kauyon isn't going to include the new Formations and Detachment, just the new units and updated pages for new units (if they exist), and will instead have its own unique Formations.

I honestly don't know what it's going to include.

I know how the GW WD information SAYS it will operate with the 6th edition codex. (this leads people to speculate as to how the rules must be broken out into Old and New.)

I just don't trust GW's writing skills, in rule form or WD Marketing text, enough to accurately discern that the RAW intent of their words mean when saying that the Tau player will have everything he needs to use the old codex with the rule contents of Kayoun.

We already know it will make SOME changes to currently existing Unit entries (The Command er and FireWarrior Strike Teams are the only entires we've seen and they both include SOME type of change), so the notion that the entries between old and new are already technically incorrect. They could provide the errata in Kayoun in some other fashion (Errata pages, BOx outs, etc) but that can alter the rule system as well.

I reserve judgement to that point when I have both book in my hands.

Well put. The assumption that NOTHING CHANGES is baseless at this point. New codex is almost always a minor update to units and rules, with some exceptions. This just seems to be like GW is trying not piss off the people who bought the LE Tau codex in 6e by making invalid after only two years. If I had bought that LE codex, I sure wouldn't want to buy a new dex now. Still don't want to replace my 6e dex already, and might get the campaign book, but I will wait for reviews to see how well it does the job of replacing the Tau dex.

maceria wrote:

 derling wrote:

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
The impression I got was that Kauyon isn't going to include the new Formations and Detachment, just the new units and updated pages for new units (if they exist), and will instead have its own unique Formations.

I honestly don't know what it's going to include.

I know how the GW WD information SAYS it will operate with the 6th edition codex. (this leads people to speculate as to how the rules must be broken out into Old and New.)

I just don't trust GW's writing skills, in rule form or WD Marketing text, enough to accurately discern that the RAW intent of their words mean when saying that the Tau player will have everything he needs to use the old codex with the rule contents of Kayoun.

We already know it will make SOME changes to currently existing Unit entries (The Command er and FireWarrior Strike Teams are the only entires we've seen and they both include SOME type of change), so the notion that the entries between old and new are already technically incorrect. They could provide the errata in Kayoun in some other fashion (Errata pages, BOx outs, etc) but that can alter the rule system as well.

I reserve judgement to that point when I have both book in my hands.

Well put. The assumption that NOTHING CHANGES is baseless at this point. New codex is almost always a minor update to units and rules, with some exceptions. This just seems to be like GW is trying not piss off the people who bought the LE Tau codex in 6e by making invalid after only two years. If I had bought that LE codex, I sure wouldn't want to buy a new dex now. Still don't want to replace my 6e dex already, and might get the campaign book, but I will wait for reviews to see how well it does the job of replacing the Tau dex.

That doesn't make much sense either.. Eldar got a new LE book, SM got a new LE book in 6th and 7th, among others. There is nothing GW does that starts off with the statement of "Lets try not to piss our customers off"

if anything its more along the lines of:
"This will really piss off everybody, bet they still buy it though"

It's quiet....

EDIT: Double post.

Irony:

GW " Check out these awesome new suits we have with incredible cover saves and this new wall with great cover saves"

Released right next to a space marine formation that...wait for it.....Ignores cover heheh.

The Tau codex goes to pre order this sat right?

 TheNewBlood wrote:
EDIT: Double post.

Don't edit "double posts".

They're not double posts. It's a brief hiccup on the site and Legoburner has set the forum up so that it will fix itself after a few minutes.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 TheNewBlood wrote:
EDIT: Double post.

Don't edit "double posts".

They're not double posts. It's a brief hiccup on the site and Legoburner has set the forum up so that it will fix itself after a few minutes.

Thanks for the tip!

What I meant to say (before I edited) was that the reason things are quiet in this thread is because no new information has been revealed. All that going on is people pontificating and punditing about how OP/terrible the new Tau are.

This thread likely won't have anything new until Saturday. So let's all cool it and we'll find out then just how good/bad/different things are.

GreyDragoon wrote:
This thread likely won't have anything new until Saturday. So let's all cool it and we'll find out then just how good/bad/different things are.

And if anyone is interested in the White Scars/Raven Guard datacards I'm in the process of translating them over in the appropriate thread.

Just noticed that the Tau Barracuda has been removed from the Forge World Website.

 wyomingfox wrote:
Just noticed that the Tau Barracuda has been removed from the Forge World Website.

Doesn't necessarily mean anything. Could just be that they're pulling it while retooling the moulds.

 Fishboy wrote:
Irony:

GW " Check out these awesome new suits we have with incredible cover saves and this new wall with great cover saves"

Released right next to a space marine formation that...wait for it.....Ignores cover heheh.

The Tau codex goes to pre order this sat right?

Yeah someone really wanted to mess up the Tau badly.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 wyomingfox wrote:
Just noticed that the Tau Barracuda has been removed from the Forge World Website.

Doesn't necessarily mean anything. Could just be that they're pulling it while retooling the moulds.

I certainly hope so, I don't want the GW rules team to get their greasy mitts on them, especially when they are at this perfect power level right now (powerful, but fairly priced).

 Gamgee wrote:

 Fishboy wrote:
Irony:

GW " Check out these awesome new suits we have with incredible cover saves and this new wall with great cover saves"

Released right next to a space marine formation that...wait for it.....Ignores cover heheh.

The Tau codex goes to pre order this sat right?

Yeah someone really wanted to mess up the Tau badly.

Yeah...

Because 1-3 units of Tactical Marines or Scout Squads or an Assault Squad or a Devastator Squad gaining "Ignores Cover" by standing 9" from a Scout Squad that has not fired its weapons that turn is going to absolutely invalidate the Tidewall.

The Baracuda was up the other day and it doesn't appear to have went to the "sold out" like the broadsides have so I imagine like Kan said it will be getting its mould retooled

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Gamgee wrote:

 Fishboy wrote:
Irony:

GW " Check out these awesome new suits we have with incredible cover saves and this new wall with great cover saves"

Released right next to a space marine formation that...wait for it.....Ignores cover heheh.

The Tau codex goes to pre order this sat right?

Yeah someone really wanted to mess up the Tau badly.

Yeah...

Because 1-3 units of Tactical Marines or Scout Squads or an Assault Squad or a Devastator Squad gaining "Ignores Cover" by standing 9" from a Scout Squad that has not fired its weapons that turn is going to absolutely invalidate the Tidewall.

Don't let logic get in the way of delicious tears, Kan.

Thats like my necron friend saying he doesnt care about my 2+ cover on my ghostkeels because he has .. forget the name lol... a long range squad that just ignores cover. Doesnt pen my armor though and i still get 4 wounds each.
So you make my 2+ into a 3+. Big deal lol its still a hefty threat to you.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Gamgee wrote:

 Fishboy wrote:
Irony:

GW " Check out these awesome new suits we have with incredible cover saves and this new wall with great cover saves"

Released right next to a space marine formation that...wait for it.....Ignores cover heheh.

The Tau codex goes to pre order this sat right?

Yeah someone really wanted to mess up the Tau badly.

Yeah...

Because 1-3 units of Tactical Marines or Scout Squads or an Assault Squad or a Devastator Squad gaining "Ignores Cover" by standing 9" from a Scout Squad that has not fired its weapons that turn is going to absolutely invalidate the Tidewall.

Too bad I can't get that ability on some Sternguard. Mowing down Black Knights with Vengeance rounds would make my RW-playing brother so furious.

Have English (non-translated) rules for the Burning Dawn set been posted, yet?

Saw this on the ATT forum




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Also a strange packaging - via Machinepriest on Warseer




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 SinisterSamurai wrote:
Have English (non-translated) rules for the Burning Dawn set been posted, yet?

No, do you have them?

 wyomingfox wrote:
Just noticed that the Tau Barracuda has been removed from the Forge World Website.

apparently it's gone, gone, not just having the mould fixed up

Adeptus Astartes

via a reader on Faeit 212
Tau Barracuda has gone OOP

With regards to the reasons we stop producing a miniature the mould cdeteriation is a factor that is taken into consideration but we tend to see a product discontinued based on sales, the Barracuda whilst a stunning kit did not sell well at all and thus we made the hard decision to remove the line from sale.

As part of our process we often destroy the moulds after a line has been discontinued and a length of time passes for the sake of customer related issues (miscasts etc...) I regret to inform you we no longer have any stock or moulds in order to produce these miniatures any more.

-Aaron

although anything that said by a customer service bod is never the most reliable

So much for Burning Dawn's Ethereal being exclusive to that box like the ad said...

Bright side: I might be able to get loads more of Shadow Captain Solaq. Complete Honour Guard here we come!

Oh god, I really hope not. I only have one, and really wanted to get more when I had the spare cash.
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