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 tetrisphreak wrote:

Deadawake1347 wrote:
On the other hand, it does mean that you don't need to take the command formation in order to get a commander.
However, I think I would have preferred it to be an option between taking a commander and a fireblade, or it was a 0-1 option so that you didn't always have to take a commander.

But commanders aren't bad models whatsoever. Having 2 isn't really a detriment.

No, but there are times when you don't want to add in the points for a commander, like the above example of wanting an ethereal without two commanders.

Alcibiades wrote:
So wait. You need a Commander for the Command Formation, and then ANOTHER for the basic formation?

This is exactly how all of the super-detachments have worked so far.

I saw this question earlier but no response so I will repeat it. Are there any auxiliary formations that are just a single model? So that you can fit extra battle suits in without having to buy loads of models.

 DarknessEternal wrote:

Alcibiades wrote:
So wait. You need a Commander for the Command Formation, and then ANOTHER for the basic formation?

This is exactly how all of the super-detachments have worked so far.

Not really. Necron-Decurion. Khorne Daemonkin. Even the Eldar-thing. All worked fine with just a single Warlord/HQ to lead your army.

MoD_Legion wrote:
Looks like the LE codex is sold out in the EU, guess there are enough crazy people willing to pay for it .

Was there ever any doubt?

You can also always Cadre, take a single commander, then have a CAD force go with it if you want the cheapest way to get an ethereal in (and you get two obj secure units as well for that)

 monkeypuzzle wrote:
I saw this question earlier but no response so I will repeat it. Are there any auxiliary formations that are just a single model? So that you can fit extra battle suits in without having to buy loads of models.

From what we've seen, no. The closest you can get is the Flyer formation that only requires one of each type of flyer. All the formations we've seen require multiple units, though you can take single models as units. The Retaliation Cadre for example can be a Commander, 3 solo Crisis Suits, a solo Broadside, and a solo Riptide. But none of the formations we've seen so far allow you to take just one battlesuit.

Wonderwolf wrote:

 DarknessEternal wrote:

Alcibiades wrote:
So wait. You need a Commander for the Command Formation, and then ANOTHER for the basic formation?

This is exactly how all of the super-detachments have worked so far.

Not really. Necron-Decurion. Khorne Daemonkin. Even the Eldar-thing. All worked fine with just a single Warlord/HQ to lead your army.

You're right about Daemonkin, but both Necrons taking a Royal Court and Eldar taking a Seer council requires taking duplicate HQs.

It would make more sense to not have an HQ in the core and make a command formation mandatory with a single character as it's minimum requirements... But it's not like Decurionoids were made with sense in mind.

Has anyone checked to see what the minimum points for the Hunter Cadre is?

Should be pretty easy to figure out, Casvalremdeikun.

1 Commander means a bare Commander.
3+ of Breacher/Strikers/Kroot means 3 min-sized Strikers or Breachers.
1+ of Stealth/Riptide/Ghostkeel/Crisis means a Monat Crisis suit without any upgrades
1+ of Pathfinders/Piranhas/Vespid/Drones means for bare Piranha.
1+ of Broadsides/Hammerhead/Stormsurge/Sniperteam means a min-sized Sniper team.

A grand total of 350, if I've added things up right.

 Unusual Suspect wrote:
Should be pretty easy to figure out, Casvalremdeikun.

1 Commander means a bare Commander.
3+ of Breacher/Strikers/Kroot means 3 min-sized Strikers or Breachers.
1+ of Stealth/Riptide/Ghostkeel/Crisis means a Monat Crisis suit without any upgrades
1+ of Pathfinders/Piranhas/Vespid/Drones means for bare Piranha.
1+ of Broadsides/Hammerhead/Stormsurge/Sniperteam means a min-sized Sniper team.

A grand total of 350, if I've added things up right.

Though putting some average cost weapons on the Commander and Crisis might give a slightly more realistic minimum.

Still, less than 500 points for a fairly bare bones core. That's good news for fitting in to 2000 for a regular game.

Hmm. Minimum viability...

Given the reliance on the Commander's survival for the extra run speed, Iridium seems likely. FnP, TL, and 2 weapons lets it tank small arms fire, 2+ LOS! things it can't hand with armor or cover saves, and 2 very accurate shots at whatever you want, no matter what squad you join it it.

Call it 3 10-man squads of Strikers or Breachers to give them presence on the table.
2 Crisis Suits dual-wielding Plasma Rifles, Missile Pods, or Fusion Blasters.
1 squad of 10 Pathfinders for Markerlight support goodness.
2 HYMP Broadsides

So ~775 to 800 points for minimum viability, the way I play. You could easily drop a broadside or crisis suit and remain viable, I'd imagine.

Deadawake1347 wrote:

 tetrisphreak wrote:

Deadawake1347 wrote:
On the other hand, it does mean that you don't need to take the command formation in order to get a commander.
However, I think I would have preferred it to be an option between taking a commander and a fireblade, or it was a 0-1 option so that you didn't always have to take a commander.

But commanders aren't bad models whatsoever. Having 2 isn't really a detriment.

No, but there are times when you don't want to add in the points for a commander, like the above example of wanting an ethereal without two commanders.

So run a CAD

Hey. Do smart missile systems and burst cannons still cost the same, despite one being better than the other in every way?

guys have posted this on army lists but I think this thread will receive something from it as well, what do people think is the optimal way to run a Hunter Cadre/Hunter Contingent. from the leaks so far this is what I would run:
Hunter Contingent - 1850 Points

Hunter Cadre
- Commander w/Iridium Armour, Stimulant Injectors, Shield Generator, MSSS, PENC, C&C Node, VRT
- Cadre Fireblade
- 5x Strike Fire Warriors
- 5x Strike Fire Warriors
- 5x Strike Fire Warriors
- 3x Crisis Suits w/2x Missile Pods, Target Locks
- 6x Pathfinders
- 6x Pathfinders
- 6x Pathfinders
- 2x KV128 Stormsurge Battlesuit's w/Pulse Driver Cannon, TL Airbursting Fragmentation Projector

Optimised Stealth Cadre
- XV95 Ghostkeel Battlesuit w/Cyclic Ion Raker, TL Fusion Blaster, 2x Stealth Drones
- 3x XV25 Stealth Battlesuit’s w/Fusion Blaster
- 3x XV25 Stealth Battlesuit’s w/Fusion Blaster

what would you change and what do you think is the optimal way to run the Cadre?

When is the codex is out?

Tau Skyfire wrote:
guys have posted this on army lists but I think this thread will receive something from it as well, what do people think is the optimal way to run a Hunter Cadre/Hunter Contingent. from the leaks so far this is what I would run:
Hunter Contingent - 1850 Points

Hunter Cadre
- Commander w/Iridium Armour, Stimulant Injectors, Shield Generator, MSSS, PENC, C&C Node, VRT
- Cadre Fireblade
- 5x Strike Fire Warriors
- 5x Strike Fire Warriors
- 5x Strike Fire Warriors
- 3x Crisis Suits w/2x Missile Pods, Target Locks
- 6x Pathfinders
- 6x Pathfinders
- 6x Pathfinders
- 2x KV128 Stormsurge Battlesuit's w/Pulse Driver Cannon, TL Airbursting Fragmentation Projector

Optimised Stealth Cadre
- XV95 Ghostkeel Battlesuit w/Cyclic Ion Raker, TL Fusion Blaster, 2x Stealth Drones
- 3x XV25 Stealth Battlesuit’s w/Fusion Blaster
- 3x XV25 Stealth Battlesuit’s w/Fusion Blaster

what would you change and what do you think is the optimal way to run the Cadre?

I would drop FnP and VRT on commander, Add Target lock to the stealth suits with the fusion blaster, and see if you can get the points to add Shield Generators on the 2 Stormsurges. They will be killed very quickly without it. And personally, I would rather have 2 Riptides and a Stormsurge with shield generator than 2 stormsurge

Razerous wrote:
When is the codex is out?

Should be October 31st.

Razerous wrote:
When is the codex is out?

Given that there's a guy on 4chan downloading it from black library because they messed up their preorder system for the digital edition?

Right now if you move before they fix it.

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changemod wrote:

Razerous wrote:
When is the codex is out?

Given that there's a guy on 4chan downloading it from black library because they messed up their preorder system for the digital edition?

Right now if you move before they fix it.

Is this true?

I would rather have 3 Riptides than 1 SS with a shield and 2 Riptides.

That +1 BS is awesome and they are mobile.

I would field minimum man pathfinders personally since it gives me points elsewhere and its so niche to need 6 ML hits. Yea I know there is reliability in bringing six, but surely it can be knocked down to 5 mans and save yourself a large 33 points. 66 points if you field minimums.

Razerous wrote:

changemod wrote:

Razerous wrote:
When is the codex is out?

Given that there's a guy on 4chan downloading it from black library because they messed up their preorder system for the digital edition?

Right now if you move before they fix it.

Is this true?

Unless he faked a download queue and contents page, yes.

Coulda gone to that effort I suppose.

 Gamgee wrote:
I would rather have 3 Riptides than 1 SS with a shield and 2 Riptides.

That +1 BS is awesome and they are mobile.

Then you will still be lacking the ability to kill both Deathstars (2 Str 10 AP2 Large blast) and GC and Super Heavies (4 Str D AP1 missiles). Those are two of the things Tau have been struggling with for years and SS solves both problems.

Also, 3 Riptides in a unit is way to big of a footprint. I would rather have them be able to move around the field individually. Having to keep all 3 right next to each other will be a big problem.


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changemod wrote:

Razerous wrote:

changemod wrote:

Razerous wrote:
When is the codex is out?

Given that there's a guy on 4chan downloading it from black library because they messed up their preorder system for the digital edition?

Right now if you move before they fix it.

Is this true?

Unless he faked a download queue and contents page, yes.

Coulda gone to that effort I suppose.

Can you post the link to that 4chan page? I cannot find it...

notredameguy10 wrote:


Can you post the link to that 4chan page? I cannot find it...

Post a link to a fourchan page on a forum with a swear word filter? I'm going to err on the side of I probably can't.

Still, shouldn't be remotely hard to find given it's the standard 40k discussion thread they have up every day.

Send me a PM please with a link. Thanks.

changemod wrote:

notredameguy10 wrote:


Can you post the link to that 4chan page? I cannot find it...

Post a link to a fourchan page on a forum with a swear word filter? I'm going to err on the side of I probably can't.

Still, shouldn't be remotely hard to find given it's the standard 40k discussion thread they have up every day.

Oh lol... I have never used 4chan and Im looking but have no idea how to find anything

Yeah 4chan can be a mess to navigate.
I mean it's a bit of a mess in general, but navigation can be tricky for a 1st (o 2nd, or 3rd) time user.

notredameguy10 wrote:

 Gamgee wrote:
I would rather have 3 Riptides than 1 SS with a shield and 2 Riptides.

That +1 BS is awesome and they are mobile.

Then you will still be lacking the ability to kill both Deathstars (2 Str 10 AP2 Large blast) and GC and Super Heavies (4 Str D AP1 missiles). Those are two of the things Tau have been struggling with for years and SS solves both problems.

Also, 3 Riptides in a unit is way to big of a footprint. I would rather have them be able to move around the field individually. Having to keep all 3 right next to each other will be a big problem.


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changemod wrote:

Razerous wrote:

changemod wrote:

Razerous wrote:
When is the codex is out?

Given that there's a guy on 4chan downloading it from black library because they messed up their preorder system for the digital edition?

Right now if you move before they fix it.

Is this true?

Unless he faked a download queue and contents page, yes.

Coulda gone to that effort I suppose.

Can you post the link to that 4chan page? I cannot find it...

Fair point.

The art in the Kauyon and Codex book is worth downloading some of digital previews







http://www.blacklibrary.com/games-workshop-digital-editions