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 Conrad Turner wrote:
Just a quick question.

Anyone have any idea how small a 1/4000 scale VF-1 will be?

I just noticed that there are 8 VF-1's, 8 VF-1 Supers, and a couple of "Destroyed" Monsters in the 1/4000 SDF-1 kit I have ordered from Japan.

I'm hoping that they'll be at least a couple of mm long!

umm your sure those are in 1:40000 scale? cause thos would be microscopic, look at the RRT fighters, now imagine if they were about a third of a mm big I believe?

Asterios wrote:

 Conrad Turner wrote:
Just a quick question.

Anyone have any idea how small a 1/4000 scale VF-1 will be?

I just noticed that there are 8 VF-1's, 8 VF-1 Supers, and a couple of "Destroyed" Monsters in the 1/4000 SDF-1 kit I have ordered from Japan.

I'm hoping that they'll be at least a couple of mm long!

umm your sure those are in 1:40000 scale? cause thos would be microscopic, look at the RRT fighters, now imagine if they were about a third of a mm big I believe?

I didn't say 1:40,000 scale, I said 1:4,000.

http://www.hlj.com/product/hsg65830

And that's where I got that from. I'm not terribly worried about the fighters or "Destroyed" monsters to be frank, I just want a decent looking ship configuration SDF-1 this century.

About the size of a pencil eraser. The stuff we have here is around 14x bigger if you go with exact scale.

That's a nice kit.

This should give you an idea.

 Conrad Turner wrote:

Asterios wrote:

 Conrad Turner wrote:
Just a quick question.

Anyone have any idea how small a 1/4000 scale VF-1 will be?

I just noticed that there are 8 VF-1's, 8 VF-1 Supers, and a couple of "Destroyed" Monsters in the 1/4000 SDF-1 kit I have ordered from Japan.

I'm hoping that they'll be at least a couple of mm long!

umm your sure those are in 1:40000 scale? cause thos would be microscopic, look at the RRT fighters, now imagine if they were about a third of a mm big I believe?

I didn't say 1:40,000 scale, I said 1:4,000.

http://www.hlj.com/product/hsg65830

And that's where I got that from. I'm not terribly worried about the fighters or "Destroyed" monsters to be frank, I just want a decent looking ship configuration SDF-1 this century.

my bad then about 1/4 of an inch give or take a mm or two

So looking in Shapeways, I've found a 1/200 Gnerl. Using the Miriya Super Gerwalk, it's possible to cast up parts to kitbash some Super Valks from the standard Valks. The only thing left I need are the Monster, Glaug Eldare and armored valks. The VF-4, Jotuns and Zent Infantry aren't too high on my must have list.

Thinking about some of these a little more, given the number of pieces things already come in for PB to have just done some upgrade sprues. The Glaug Eldare could just be the Glaug sprue with an alternate booster sprue. The Armored and Super Valks could have just been add-on parts as well. Even the 1D/1E could be an alternate fighter/guardian/battloid top with an extended cockpit and different head.

New update.

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Hey, everyone. Just a quick note today before the holiday weekend.

We’ve put all the cards for the Queadluun-Rau and Nousjadeul-Ger on DriveThruRPG over the last week, including the Malcontents cards that just went up today.

Super Valkyrie cards will come next week, but I think Monday’s uploads will be updated versions of the standard Valkyrie cards to reflect the official change in the number of Long-Range Missiles from 8 to 6, reflecting the reduced cost of the Ammo 6 version of that missile upgrade.

Our DriveThruRPG page:

http://rpg.drivethrustuff.com/index.php?manufacturers_id=2627&src=palladium

Other Robotech® RPG Tactics™ resources, including the Color Templates as individual image files:

http://www.palladiumbooks.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=765&Itemid=479

The official Robotech® RPG Tactics™ FAQ and Errata page:

http://palladium-megaverse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=97&t=147215

Have a good weekend, guys.

 Cypher-xv wrote:
New update.

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Nine Comments at last count. Four from "haterz". Nothing negative. I think it's a decent Update too. Could be more, obviously, but it's a start.

Here's hoping they learn that a decent update that gives backers SOMETHING doesn't get them crap.

Not expecting that to happen, though. I half expect them to think that "going after the haterz" in the prior update is the reason for the civility. Because... Palladium.

Sometimes they can be taught, hope they keep it up.

 Conrad Turner wrote:
Just a quick question.

Anyone have any idea how small a 1/4000 scale VF-1 will be?

I just noticed that there are 8 VF-1's, 8 VF-1 Supers, and a couple of "Destroyed" Monsters in the 1/4000 SDF-1 kit I have ordered from Japan.

I'm hoping that they'll be at least a couple of mm long!

Really really small?

 Cyporiean wrote:
This should give you an idea.

I don't think those pilots are going to fit...

 fellowhoodlum wrote:

 Conrad Turner wrote:
Just a quick question.

Anyone have any idea how small a 1/4000 scale VF-1 will be?

I just noticed that there are 8 VF-1's, 8 VF-1 Supers, and a couple of "Destroyed" Monsters in the 1/4000 SDF-1 kit I have ordered from Japan.

I'm hoping that they'll be at least a couple of mm long!

Really really small?

Where do these models come from? They look really nice!

GuyverBlue wrote:
[Where do these models come from? They look really nice!

Oh it's the new 1/4000 scale SDF Macross kit from Hasegawa: https://www.hlj.com/product/hsgmc05

Mouthwatering?

Mouthwatering?

The Saliva must flow...

 fellowhoodlum wrote:

GuyverBlue wrote:
[Where do these models come from? They look really nice!

Oh it's the new 1/4000 scale SDF Macross kit from Hasegawa: https://www.hlj.com/product/hsgmc05

Mouthwatering?

are there any pictures of the kit itself?

Huh, two months into the "restart" of the conversation and still not a word by PB on the actual state of Wave 2. Typical PB.

Hey, that guys asking for information on wave two, he's a hater!
Stop trying to bring about the downfall of Palladium Books®, hater!
Why must you thrust raging dagger of hate into Kevin's® open heart™? Why do you want Palladium Books® to die?

Because I don't want any more people to be scammed by these 'people'.

Because they are useless.

Because they are morons.

Because they are incompetent.

Because they have been quiet for far too long [on any real proof of life for wave 2].

Because they took $140 from me and all I got for it [so far] is a lousy $5 decal sheet.

Because it's just a matter of time.

Because I want someone else to get the licence and then I might actually get my stuff.

Because they still haven't addressed the fact that the resin components of the campaign could have been worked on at the same time as wave 1 and been in our hands already.

[Delete any that don't apply.]

Facts make Kevin cry.

Oh, and don't forget

"Because it couldn't happen to a more deserving guy/company"

 Stormonu wrote:
Huh, two months into the "restart" of the conversation and still not a word by PB on the actual state of Wave 2. Typical PB.

I think you misinterpreted their meaning. Common mistake, thinking what they're saying should be taken in a more standard manner. Nope, they're being completely literal. As they appear to be in everything that isn't a scheduling/release date type of thing. Like their twisted logic over "backers first".

Their conversation started with us on May 21st, 2013. The day after the campaign ended, and they took over for Ninja Division. On that day they said the Pledge Manager would be "a couple weeks". Then "end of June". Then July 6th. Then July 11-12. And then it actually got released July 19-20. Which is kind of reminiscent of the Conventional Vehicles thing.
It took three months to get the Force Orgs up.
It took five and a half months (Nov 2) before they acknowledged they couldn't make their 'end of year' target.
It took more than 7 months for actual physical proof (Dec 31st) with the Glaug Eldare.

While the release of the MPA/FPA and now the updated vanilla valkyries (SV's by end of week) are an improvement over the last six months of nothingness, it is a significant step up from the previous one. It took 5.5 months from the "start of the conversation" to show samples. Though on the flip side, it's not like the recent ones should have taken even this long. The fomatting template has been done for at least 22 months. The stats have been confirmed for at least 15 months. This could be arguably longer, as in September 26th 2013, they were saying the rulebook was in "final layout", but as late as Feb 17th, 2014, they were still "finishing up corrections to the rulebook". So I went with the date where we saw a physical version, though they said that was a mockup too. But given how close to actual manufacture that was, I'll take that as a good starting date. My point is, they've had the capacity to do this for well over a year by just plugging in the appropriate text/stats/art, so it being earlier than last time isn't that big a deal.

You, and some others thought "restart the conversation" meant "restart, and be BETTER". Whereas PB apparently meant "Yup, we're gonna go back and do the same as we did when the campaign started.".

We're likely to get another update this week, announcing the vanilla Valks are up, and the SV's being done. Which is still an improvement over business as usual. But they've got a long way to go before they've proved they've actually changed.

 Conrad Turner wrote:
Oh, and don't forget

"Because it couldn't happen to a more deserving guy/company"

I can think of plenty more deserving guys/companies to get $1.4 million for a business campaign that would be more humble, competent, and thankful for the unprecedented opportunity it was.

They should just let me show you guys what we have on the Conventionals and then you guys can opine and we can make changes as necessary. They could get more input that way. I already made squadrons smaller because the cost to buy the ones I did would be huge for a simple squadron. The units are so cheap compared to RRT stuff.

I don't mind making changes that make sense. Shoot this whole thing started with other players asking me if I could do some up!

 Mike1975 wrote:
They should just let me show you guys what we have on the Conventionals and then you guys can opine and we can make changes as necessary. They could get more input that way. I already made squadrons smaller because the cost to buy the ones I did would be huge for a simple squadron. The units are so cheap compared to RRT stuff.

I don't mind making changes that make sense. Shoot this whole thing started with other players asking me if I could do some up!

Yup. And the most obvious thing is they could even declare them as "preliminary".

The whole point of wanting the stats/forceorgs is so that people know at least in broad terms if they're going to be useful. That it might be slightly modified before final publication isn't THAT big a priority for most people. People want to know firstly, how many of X they need for a formation, both at the Squadron and Squad levels. Because buying a pack of Tanks and then finding out you need a pack and a half for a Squadron (like the Arthur Pods) would be all kinds of frustrating. Similarly the two aircraft sold singly.

And they need to know the approximate value, so people can make informed choices. If a mechanized infantry squadron (two packs of Inf, two packs of APC's, $40 total) is gonna be appropriately costed at 15pts in game, versus 75pts in game, that's going to have an affect on people's purchasing tactics. While it might not want to be a driving factor in balance, it is something that does need to be taken into account from a purchasing perspective. Don't get me wrong, more expensive cash units shouldn't be more powerful "Points Cost vs Battlefield Effect", but I'm also not wanting to spend five times as much in figures, when I can just use plastic mecha for a much cheaper force.

But that's both much different from listing the tanks as having MDC 8, doing 4 damage, costing 50pts for 4, and then them ending up being MDC7, doing 5 damage, costing 55pts for 4. But by keeping quiet as they dot the t's and cross the i's, causing this whole thing to balloon into yet another scheduling farce. Three times now, the date for this has been pushed ("mid June" to "mid July" to "mid August" to "when we get around to it"), over what was SUPPOSED to be a week's wait.

Microcosm of Wave 2, essentially.

EDIT: And if they want to say it's because they're doing some in-depth testing (the only legitimate reason they're taking so long?) how about making it open to the backers, and letting them help? First, they'll be able to point out any glaring inconsistencies, second, it'd make backers have some feeling they're a part of the process, and finally, it might make the Kickstarter an entertaining discussion place again. But that's just my take on it.

 warboss wrote:

 Conrad Turner wrote:
Oh, and don't forget

"Because it couldn't happen to a more deserving guy/company"

I can think of plenty more deserving guys/companies to get $1.4 million for a business campaign that would be more humble, competent, and thankful for the unprecedented opportunity it was.

So can I. In fact, given what has happened on this campaign overf the last two years, I can't think of a single company LESS deserving of that amount of money. But don't forget, the original question was "Why do you want Palladium Books to die?". Answer. "Because it couldn't happen to a more deserving guy.". Simples.

 Conrad Turner wrote:
So can I. In fact, given what has happened on this campaign overf the last two years, I can't think of a single company LESS deserving of that amount of money.

Defiance Games. The only company that can stand next to Palladium Games and make them look like a paragon of professionalism. And not surprisingly, a worse person in charge than Kevin. But that's it.

 Conrad Turner wrote:
Because they took $140 from me and all I got for it [so far] is a lousy $5 decal sheet.

Wait, didn't TPTB claim to have delivered all of the Wave 1 boxed sets globally? No?


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Morgan Vening wrote:
While the release of the MPA/FPA and now the updated vanilla valkyries (SV's by end of week) are an improvement over the last six months of nothingness, it is a significant step up from the previous one.

I'm not entirely sure that PB should be praised for doing a marginally less gakky of job as they've done in the past.

It's like praising the Pod or Prodos for being marginally less gakky than PB. Woo-hoo, right?

These guys should get on the stick and provide weekly fact-based updates - that's what we really want.

I think it is the underserved expectation that we should be fawning at the feet of PB and they cannot seem to understand why we are critical of their efforts.

Kevin has been a long time fan of "pre-order" where it seems to be free money with little of no repercussions if product does not get out any time "soon".

I really like how Kickstarter has "matured" enough that legal cases are being made and now PB is beginning to realize they are legally on the hook unlike their rather self-satisfied comments to the contrary.

I find their business practices offensive.
I feel they should be held to account for their taking money with false promises.
I believe ANY business acting like this deserves to die, PB just has been getting away with it longer than most.
They truly are a small-fry company so have stayed below the radar because they were not worth going after.
$1.4 million suddenly puts them under an uncomfortable spotlight.
They better make good on their promises, "soon" or not.

Morgan Vening wrote:

 Conrad Turner wrote:
So can I. In fact, given what has happened on this campaign overf the last two years, I can't think of a single company LESS deserving of that amount of money.

Defiance Games. The only company that can stand next to Palladium Games and make them look like a paragon of professionalism. And not surprisingly, a worse person in charge than Kevin. But that's it.

Black Cat Bases (stopped doing business, still keeps a web shop open that takes orders and money)
All Fronts Armor Depot (garbage resin models made from molds of other people's work)
CMON (owned by same guy that owned New Wave Miniatures, notorious for taking money and not delivering)
Eric Hotz (takes orders, refuses to communicate, unknown delivery date)
Battlefoam (tried to run competitors out of business with frivolous lawsuits)

Many others, really.