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 Talizvar wrote:
Too bad I have a family, if I was still single I would have had zero issue blowing a fair bit of money just to make an example of these guys as a public service.

Ah well, we all have our hobbies and they tend to have a budget.

If only there was a mechanism whereby a crowd could pool their monies to do something collectively....

Wait, are we discussing starting a kickstarter campaign to sue kickstarter? Or a kickstarter campaign to sue a company for failure to deliver on the kickstarter? Are we opening up ourselves for an additional kickstarter fueled lawsuit if we fail to demonstrate Palladium has done what we accuse them of or fail to deliver expected legal recourse?

 Talizvar wrote:

 n815e wrote:
Kevin is not a narcissist...

Not a narcissist?
How so?

Neither one of us is a psychologist, right?
To me, it is obvious that he has a fragile ego. Kevin is completely unable to take even mild criticism - not because he disagrees with it but because he does; he is always defensive, always taking even the slightest complaint personally, he looks to business partners and employees to give him personal validation and cannot separate business from non-business relationships; he hides himself from anything that may be construed as negative, he has cushioned himself in a bubble that protects him.
When unhappy backers force him to give us information, it's never a discussion of the project, it's always a personal defense of himself. He doesn't come across as feeling he is better than us, he comes across as feeling beleaguered and attacked. "Stop trying to hurt me."

We can disagree and see different things.
To me, he has a low opinion of himself and tries to shield himself from a world he is afraid agrees with him.

Merijeek wrote:

 Lynx7725 wrote:

PB OTOH, if they aren't cutting steel by now, is simply going to run into the end-of-year crush. Odds on when they'd announce the delay?

Well past the point where it's insultingly obvious that they won't make it, yet they'll pretend that it's totally still possible.

I'm saying Thanksgiving they'll admit that it just *MIGHT* not make it by end of 1st quarter, but they're almost sure it'll make it by 2nd quarter.

I'm thinking they would theme it with Halloween, to go with the scary stuff.... Or at least give us a hint then.

Nevermind, actually. Kevin's problems are not ours. Our problems are Palladium's poor handling of this kickstarter.

 n815e wrote:
Nevermind, actually. Kevin's problems are not ours. Our problems are Palladium's poor handling of this kickstarter.

Agreed.
The poor handling will continue until something breaks however.
The ultimate fear is we are out our money AND not get the miniatures promised.

I've already taken that as given. It's not so much a fear, as an expectation now. I consider myself lucky in that I was never after the game as a game, I just wanted some iconic RT models at a scale I can easily display.

So it looks like I will not get the character models I wanted. I might be able to get a standard VT pack to paint up as Rick's and Roy's mecha, maybe I'll even get some Zent stuff too. And I've already got my pre-order in for a wonderful SDF-1 from HLJ to go with my old Revell kit of it in destroid form.

So all in all, disappointed that PB did the old 'Bait and Switch' routine, led us all up the garden path with the "It's all totally 98% done BEFORE we launch the Kickstarter" line, and so far have left me paying $145 for a small set of decals that I'll probably never use as I'll not have the models of the correct scale to use them.

Having said that, however, my expectations on this project are so low now that IF PB ever deliver anything else, it'll be a very nice surprise for me.

meh me i'm not waiting on something that will most likely not show up, so with that, we have Invid Attack:

Asterios wrote:
...so with that, we have Invid Attack:

The Battlestar Galactica will save us!
Failing that, the armored Valkyrie will stomp them into paste.

God, looks like I was lucky when I sold my wave 1 for $300 this past winter...

Still hoping for wave two (maybe it will be real late like kingdom death or shadows of brimstone... which I am still waiting for), then I can recoup some of that as well.

Mine Cart Backer or Outlaw?

Because if you have a Mine Cart, I have a proposition for you!

>.>

Well, this is... weird. All this time fething around and not even giving backers a digital version of the rules, and now they are releasing "A free set of basic rules and paper miniatures that will be made available online".

That kinda came out of left field, TBH. Hints of desperation?

 Albertorius wrote:
Well, this is... weird. All this time fething around and not even giving backers a digital version of the rules, and now they are releasing "A free set of basic rules and paper miniatures that will be made available online".

That kinda came out of left field, TBH. Hints of desperation?

Did I miss a kickstarter update or palladium weekly sales pitch? I'll have to check my junk mail; maybe Microsoft is even classifying them as junk.

 warboss wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:
Well, this is... weird. All this time fething around and not even giving backers a digital version of the rules, and now they are releasing "A free set of basic rules and paper miniatures that will be made available online".

That kinda came out of left field, TBH. Hints of desperation?

Did I miss a kickstarter update or palladium weekly sales pitch? I'll have to check my junk mail; maybe Microsoft is even classifying them as junk.

Not as of this posting. They've got a couple of hours before it's Saturday, missing a PBWU, and not having a KS Update in literally four weeks. Cause it's not like the promised to try to do more.

What Albertorius is referering to, has been mentioned in KS Update 186, and every PB Weekly Update since August 27th.

We will be posting the following in the weeks ahead:

Wave Two Gallery – available now. It contains images of many of the sculpts sent to China for engineering and tooling. We post the gallery as a reminder of the good things yet to come in Wave Two.
Actual cards for Wave Two game pieces.
Force Organization Charts.
Stats for Conventional Combat Vehicles (pre-Robotech).
Expanded rules, errata, and clarifications.
A free set of basic rules and paper miniatures will be made available online.
More photos of painted minis.
And we’ll try to do more Kickstarter updates.

Except, oh, they did promise. They managed just the "quick note" about the DriveThru PDF cards, and then resorted to form.

The list has been cut and pasted every PB Weekly Update since, except they changed the "Actual cards..." thing for "More cards for Wave Two game pieces.", added "Organized play and demo package.", and removed the timeframe at the top from "weeks ahead" to an even less specific "More things coming your way for RRT:".

Ah, thanks. I missed that and it's not the first time. I guess I just gloss over what they send me at this point and if the skimming sounds familiar I skip it. Only the most egregious douchebaggery catches my attention anymore apparently. Thanks for the special update for a special reader. I actually don't think coming out with free "starter" rules or even the complete rules is a bad idea but as usual palladium catches onto what others suggested a full year after the fact. It can't hurt but I don't think it'll help too much either. I guess we'll see.

 warboss wrote:
Ah, thanks. I missed that and it's not the first time. I guess I just gloss over what they send me at this point and if the skimming sounds familiar I skip it. Only the most egregious douchebaggery catches my attention anymore apparently. Thanks for the special update for a special reader. I actually don't think coming out with free "starter" rules or even the complete rules is a bad idea but as usual palladium catches onto what others suggested a full year after the fact. It can't hurt but I don't think it'll help too much either. I guess we'll see.

Regarding glossing over, I tend to do the same, most times. Heck, it's only when someone else points out something egregious, that I look a little deeper.

On the "a full year" thing, if it hasn't happened yet, it'll happen shortly that it'll soon be two full years. Don't know the date, but Mr. Dachi nee Kendachi was asking for it very early on (comparatively speaking) in the campaign. Am pretty sure it was still 2013 though.

 Albertorius wrote:
Well, this is... weird. All this time fething around and not even giving backers a digital version of the rules, and now they are releasing "A free set of basic rules and paper miniatures that will be made available online".

That kinda came out of left field, TBH. Hints of desperation?

Actually no, this is them realizing I had a good idea and finally saying, "Oh crap! We should have listened"....

I think I made that around March. Since they did not want to release the full PDF I strongly suggested this several times and them wrote my own as an example.


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 warboss wrote:
Ah, thanks. I missed that and it's not the first time. I guess I just gloss over what they send me at this point and if the skimming sounds familiar I skip it. Only the most egregious douchebaggery catches my attention anymore apparently. Thanks for the special update for a special reader. I actually don't think coming out with free "starter" rules or even the complete rules is a bad idea but as usual palladium catches onto what others suggested a full year after the fact. It can't hurt but I don't think it'll help too much either. I guess we'll see.

I think it was a few months before GenCon last year that I bugged them about this a few times and then after new year a few times more.

That's a lot of good work, Mike - but 53 pages? I'd figure "introductory" rules would be about 2-4 pages, myself.

If you look there are a lot of pages that are paper cut outs and also the stat cards. I also added a lot of pictures that I took or grabbed on the internet. This was only meant to be an example of what should be made since most of those images were borrowed online and in no way truly useable.

All this seems moot since this game is dead for now.

Mike, just to comment that this is so much better than the actual rulebook - it has the rules, examples and even the essentail QRef sheets- if only PB had followed a similar format

In this format you would have had a chance to play a few games with the paper proxies while assembling the actual models.

Thanks for your efforts to keep this game going.

wilycoyote wrote:
Mike, just to comment that this is so much better than the actual rulebook - it has the rules, examples and even the essentail QRef sheets- if only PB had followed a similar format

In this format you would have had a chance to play a few games with the paper proxies while assembling the actual models.

Thanks for your efforts to keep this game going.

Sigh, yeah if we had not reminded them we would not have even had the page guide in the front. :(

Do they genuinely care about the project at all?

 Mike1975 wrote:

wilycoyote wrote:
Mike, just to comment that this is so much better than the actual rulebook - it has the rules, examples and even the essentail QRef sheets- if only PB had followed a similar format

In this format you would have had a chance to play a few games with the paper proxies while assembling the actual models.

Thanks for your efforts to keep this game going.

Sigh, yeah if we had not reminded them we would not have even had the page guide in the front. :(

They didn't think about putting in a table of contents on their own?

Joyboozer wrote:
Do they genuinely care about the project at all?

they care about the money they thought it would bring in.

 warboss wrote:

 Mike1975 wrote:

wilycoyote wrote:
Mike, just to comment that this is so much better than the actual rulebook - it has the rules, examples and even the essentail QRef sheets- if only PB had followed a similar format

In this format you would have had a chance to play a few games with the paper proxies while assembling the actual models.

Thanks for your efforts to keep this game going.

Sigh, yeah if we had not reminded them we would not have even had the page guide in the front. :(

They didn't think about putting in a table of contents on their own?

Apparently not

 Mike1975 wrote:


Apparently not

I'd love to say I'm surprised that such a new fangled invention like the table of contents didn't occur to Palladium but that would be a lie. I guess that makes at least two things that they haven't grasped the concept and use of after 30 years in the business along with a calendar.

 Mike1975 wrote:

 warboss wrote:

 Mike1975 wrote:

wilycoyote wrote:
Mike, just to comment that this is so much better than the actual rulebook - it has the rules, examples and even the essentail QRef sheets- if only PB had followed a similar format

In this format you would have had a chance to play a few games with the paper proxies while assembling the actual models.

Thanks for your efforts to keep this game going.

Sigh, yeah if we had not reminded them we would not have even had the page guide in the front. :(

They didn't think about putting in a table of contents on their own?

Apparently not

of course not PB does not even think

I am far less interested in print & play, when I'm still waiting to see what's really happening with Wave 2.

If PB is going to have product for Holiday 2015, they need to show stuff right NOW.

 warboss wrote:

 Mike1975 wrote:


Apparently not

I'd love to say I'm surprised that such a new fangled invention like the table of contents didn't occur to Palladium but that would be a lie. I guess that makes at least two things that they haven't grasped the concept and use of after 30 years in the business along with a calendar.

No they get table of content they were just hope to sell another book to you with the table of content in it like they do for the Rifts line.