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Approaching them and actually getting a minis license are two VERY different things.

There is a reason that they did things under the RPG license. If not, yes, things would be different, but your central premise is based on an unknown....could and would HG do a straight up miniatures game? If they could why the pretense with PB and the effort to do it under the RPG? That makes no sense unless they could not or would not or were simply too lazy to. Only the third option makes it even possible for your scenario to work IF someone indeed approached HG. Planning and doing are worlds apart.

I would love to see a Macross Tactics KS run out of Hong Kong, licensed directly from Japan a la Megaman, rather than through HG.

Oh, well...

I would be interested in seeing exactly what Palladiums submission to HG consisted of, the ones I mentioned were being prepaired by people passionate about Robotech with experience and contacts in all the necessary fields from design and logistics.
I really hope the reason Palladium got it was not because of some ridiculous notion it could not be done any other way or nobody else was interested.

I recall something along the lines of early on WRRD and Paulson approached HG and they were sent to PB. HG wasn't interested in making this themselves.

Also, at a recent Robotech convention panel, one fan asked HG if there are any plans to make model kits and Kevin Mckeever told him to buy RRT.

I think it is safe to say that Robotech is something that most of us posting here loves and it is in the stewardship of the lazy and the incompetent.

That's been the case for a long, long time. Probably since Macek died.

Palladium Books and Harmony Gold. Two gakky tastes that taste even gakkier together!

 n815e wrote:
I recall something along the lines of early on WRRD and Paulson approached HG and they were sent to PB. HG wasn't interested in making this themselves.

Also, at a recent Robotech convention panel, one fan asked HG if there are any plans to make model kits and Kevin Mckeever told him to buy RRT.

I think it is safe to say that Robotech is something that most of us posting here loves and it is in the stewardship of the lazy and the incompetent.

^^^ This is my understanding as well and fits with what WRRD has in his blog. Nobody else that I know had actually approached HG or PB. You can have the best ideas in the world but if you don't bring them to the right people it means nothing.

I think you mean if you rush in with no planning and half arse it.

I still think its sad and weird how a few can blame WRRD when PB and ND are the ones that handled this all.

Apologies for the noobish question, but who is WRRD? Thanks.

He is one of the two people that presented Robotech as a minis game to PB.

I'm not blaming WRRD, I'm blaming PB.



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Though he was very quick to blame backers when they weren't happy with the results.


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I'll say it again, just in case, I'm sure WRRD is a perfectly decent guy, I just don't like the way he responded in regards to the results of this project.

Blame is rather a moot point now.
It is now a matter of salvaging what models we think we can get and administer appropriate hardship on PB for not making good on what they agreed to do with our money.

 Talizvar wrote:
Blame is rather a moot point now.
It is now a matter of salvaging what models we think we can get and administer appropriate hardship on PB for not making good on what they agreed to do with our money.

I want to see if I can get some Gnerls somehow. Someone already made a really sweet 3D paper Gnerl but that will require a lot of patience to put those together, more than you'd need to glue a Spartan.

I am still hoping for a positive outcome regarding wave 2.

Hope for the best, sure.
Prepare for the worst.

But us pessimists are rarely disappointed and are quite often pleasantly surprised.

Yeah, but I moved on to getting Robotech Masters and New Generation stuff and worry about wave 2 when new information appears.



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well, except Gnerls, which I really want....

I'd initially contacted HG directly, they were interested in the idea however various companies already had the rights to toys and games parked up even if they weren't actively producing them. They are waiting for the movie that's supposed to happen. Palladium has held the rpg rights for ages and it's considered to be a different license than "game rights" so they could shoe horn it in so long as it's branded an "RPG" product. Even though they are technically making both models and a game which would potentially intrude on two different license holders.

Basically interest in Robotech from the major toy companies is dead until there's positive progress on the movie production, but they have license options locked in place, which are basically paid for place holders in line. It prevents anyone else from coming in with a competing product even if the option holder produces nothing. When there's nothing actively being produced it seems like a really dumb way to handle things, but it's the way that film rights get brokered.

Options are at a reduced fee compared to a full license, they pay a small portion to hold their place for a certain amount of time, if they exercise their option and put something into production then they switch over to paying the full license rate. If they do nothing then every couple of years they have to re-new their options bid (depending on how long the contract if for) This allows for toy companies like Hasbro or whoever to hold a spot in line and be able to start making products as soon as a film or video game etc goes live. But if the film or cartoon never sees the light of day the option holders don't get stuck spending the full amount of money on a dead property.

Unfortunately the way things are set up there aren't really any ways to go around PB, at least as far as getting a miniatures game done. (as they've since expanded their RPG license specifically to include RRT, which is mentioned in one of their murmurs)

I would not be suprised if there was someone or some business out there who offered sevices to assemble your "preprinted paper models"

Our only hope then is that some sort of japanese company picks up the rights to a tabletop macross minis game.. which isn't likely. I can't think of a single game in this hobby made by a Japanese company despite the fact that they make so many great models.

 warboss wrote:
Our only hope then is that some sort of japanese company picks up the rights to a tabletop macross minis game.. which isn't likely. I can't think of a single game in this hobby made by a Japanese company despite the fact that they make so many great models.

Bandai made a Gundam tabletop minis game awhile back, but never bothered to do anything with it outside of Japan. There are a ton of RPGs that never get translated as well.

 warboss wrote:
Our only hope then is that some sort of japanese company picks up the rights to a tabletop macross minis game.. which isn't likely.

That is why I hoped it'd be out of Hong Kong, above.

 Cyporiean wrote:

 warboss wrote:
Our only hope then is that some sort of japanese company picks up the rights to a tabletop macross minis game.. which isn't likely. I can't think of a single game in this hobby made by a Japanese company despite the fact that they make so many great models.

Bandai made a Gundam tabletop minis game awhile back, but never bothered to do anything with it outside of Japan. There are a ton of RPGs that never get translated as well.

Yeah, something like that... but that just happened to be in English. We'd still have to import it (at a jacked up price of course) but that would be preferrable to the "honor" of paying to be lied to, ignored, and trolled in slow alternating succession for years.


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well, except Gnerls, which I really want....

Because of the stats/gameplay or is it just your favorite design?

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 Talizvar wrote:
Blame is rather a moot point now.
It is now a matter of salvaging what models we think we can get and administer appropriate hardship on PB for not making good on what they agreed to do with our money.

I want to see if I can get some Gnerls somehow. Someone already made a really sweet 3D paper Gnerl but that will require a lot of patience to put those together, more than you'd need to glue a Spartan.

I'm still tweaking my Gnerls, problem is they have such a big cavity it is a pain, plus working with tinkercad is not so easy on the shape of the Gnerl

 warboss wrote:
Our only hope then is that some sort of japanese company picks up the rights to a tabletop macross minis game.. which isn't likely. I can't think of a single game in this hobby made by a Japanese company despite the fact that they make so many great models.

Hence why many wonder at my strong support for RRT. It is not going to happen if it is not via PB or with the new movie. And if it with a new movie you know it will not be the same. What 2 hour movie could compare to a 36 episode cartoon and show the story? And if they do a movie all the mecha and more will change. Just the simple truth.

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 Cyporiean wrote:

 warboss wrote:
Our only hope then is that some sort of japanese company picks up the rights to a tabletop macross minis game.. which isn't likely. I can't think of a single game in this hobby made by a Japanese company despite the fact that they make so many great models.

Bandai made a Gundam tabletop minis game awhile back, but never bothered to do anything with it outside of Japan. There are a ton of RPGs that never get translated as well.

Yeah, something like that... but that just happened to be in English. We'd still have to import it (at a jacked up price of course) but that would be preferrable to the "honor" of paying to be lied to, ignored, and trolled in slow alternating succession for years.


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well, except Gnerls, which I really want....

Because of the stats/gameplay or is it just your favorite design?

Gnerls are sweet in the game.....they can be upgraded with Long Range Missiles and become a true terror.

I've seen a 1/200 gnerl on shapeways. From the published dimensions, it's about half an inch longer than a properly scaled one. I'm debating whether I want to drop $23 for one to cast up.

I've also found a 1/285 scale VF-4 in fighter mode, but without the other 2 modes, it isn't so useful for me.

Once Palladium was able to renew its lisence all hope was lost.

Does anyone know why Breetai was sculpted to look so weird? Was that the look they were going for?

No idea. GHQ did the sculpt and they are primarily used to doing 6mm stuff. This was in a way their first 28mm mini since they hadn't made infantry/people that big as far as I know.


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I expect GHQ to improve with time if they keep making minis for RRT.

Weather is terrible for making guitars, might have a go at converting my own this weekend.
No wait, I forgot about Fallout 4!

I just love this fun of wanting/needing the models for RRT and PB figures that GHQ is the way to go for pumping out new product.
But they still owe a bunch of us KS product.
So they have our money, but got more stuff made in NA to get moar of our money.
Dastardly fiends they are.
What is REALLY upsetting me is I am trying to convince myself to get over my pride and at least buy one of each of the new product and mold it up (personal use!).
I am assuming that any communication from PB at this point is to try to get us to spend more money or stave-off successful litigation... just enough to cast doubt on the rumors.

I think Mike would like the Gnerls also because then we get into proper aircraft combat and those little guys look like a pain in the rear to make.