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Agreed (that the take home point is that palladium broke yet another promise and a guy who gave 30 wish list non-robotech items got robotech instead despite assurances to the contrary).

On an unrelated note, I started painting my first "zentraedi" models this week. I put it in quotes because they're not actually Macross but I'm just borrowing the paint scheme for my Covenant Halo models. I've just got the base coat done so far with a wash and drybrush to bring out the panel lines but I should be adding some black, grey, and yellow bits later this week as well as Robotech decals.



And the inspiring paint scheme:



I'm not sure yet which bits I'll do in grey versus yellow versus black.

edit: I put in some better pictures.

Am I missing something Warboss? Those models look tan, not green to me.

They are damn pretty already, though.

It's the horrible lighting (hence the simultaneous apology). They're spray painted hunter camo green with a catachan green dry brush over it after the black wash into the recesses.

edit: I changed up the pics to better ones. Hopefully that'll help.

 Forar wrote:
Also, let's check the big board!

Days since the last update: 56
Days since Wayne said he'd give us a full breakdown on the status of all the pieces: **145**
Days since the last substantial Wave 2 info: 276
Days since the campaign ended: 926

Days until the end of Q2 2016: 212 (current "ideal")
Days until Gencon 2016: 245
Days until the end of 2016: 396

It has been a month longer since we got substantial information than they have left until Gencon. As in, they have ~8 months to go and it has been 9 months since they showed us anything tangible. Like, mull that over for a second. Getting done in 7 months would be 'ideal', 8 would be Gencon time, and they have 11 and change until Black Friday 2016 (gotta pimp those sales!), and yet here we are, with nothing for an entire year but 5 sprue breakdowns and more *Jazzhands* than we know what to do with.

Also worth noting regarding the first point, that if they don't do an Update this weekend, it'll be the longest period without an Update since the project started. The longest being March 18th to May 14th (57 days, or just over 8 weeks). For someone who wanted to restart the conversation, promised to do more Updates, and assured the BBB that they were keeping backers informed on a regular basis, that's noteworthy in it's lack of noteworthiness.

That's not to say that the last Update(s) was(were) meaningful. The last one was an FAQ entry many months in the making. The one previous was paper standees of items that most backers had had for months if not a year or more, and you have to go back to August 26th (97 days, or almost 14 weeks) to get a reference to Wave 2. Which was ironically the update where Kevin explicitly stated "And we’ll try to do more updates.". Yeah, two in 14 weeks, neither of which were relevant to, or mentioned the outstanding product.

EDIT: Outstanding meaning stuff owed, not in any way referring to the quality.

Here Forar, nothing like internet automation:

Q2 2016 end (current ideal):
http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20160401T00&p0=%3A&msg=End+of+Q2+2016&font=cursive

Gencon 2016 countdown:
http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20160804T00&p0=105&msg=Gencon+2016&font=cursive

2016 Year End Countdown:
http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20170101T00&p0=%3A&msg=End+of+Year+2016&font=cursive

Then to be followed by the "Big Rip" of the universe.Not quite sure how to set the clock for 22 billion years.

Yay Talizvar! Thanks. I'd been worried that I might not be accounting for lost hours here and there, now we have some serious accuracy present.

Woo hoo! 120 days till we get our wave 2! I mean.. What can possibly go wrong, right?

I'm far more hopeful about Kingdom Death : Monster (final) Wave 3 arriving Q1!

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
I'm far more hopeful about Kingdom Death : Monster (final) Wave 3 arriving Q1!

After seeing Kingdom Death in general "hopeful" does not begin to describe how worth-it those models are.


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 Forar wrote:
Yay Talizvar! Thanks. I'd been worried that I might not be accounting for lost hours here and there, now we have some serious accuracy present.

Glad to be of some help.
I could probably figure-out the rest of your countdowns of doom in Excel so it would be simple copy-paste.
But I am sure you are doing it for the joy it brings PB and cheering them on!

For those that might be tired of waiting on wave 2 Robotech fans have been working on a few things.

First several units from Macross have been converted over for use in RRT and we are slowly working on more and more.

Second, with the fixed squadron formations and all I find RRT limiting. I have a ton on old Battletech and even some CAV minis so we have an optional version of RRT where you can ditch the fixed squadrons and use what you like. Rules are a bit different of course but if you want you can find it under Mecha Skirmish on Facebook......one day when my web skills and time available have improved I might build a website for it. I love RRT but don't want to let all my other minis sit and collect dust so....

There are also rules for converting units from any source so if you want some Gundam or Dougram or whatever....you'll have help writing those up.

Third, there is also a Diorama contest for December with a few VF's and Battlepods as prizes over on the RRT Facebook page.

Again, Mike proves that he cares more about RRT than Palladium does.

Not to put Mike down - he's doing an amazing job for someone going it alone - but at this point, doing better at RRT than PB. Well, it's not really that hard, is it?

Put out a picture of a sprue this week, the assembled model next week/month, and a picture of the painted model the week/month after that, and you'd be blowing PB out of the water on verifiable progress on RRT items!

 Conrad Turner wrote:
Not to put Mike down - he's doing an amazing job for someone going it alone - but at this point, doing better at RRT than PB. Well, it's not really that hard, is it?

Put out a picture of a sprue this week, the assembled model next week/month, and a picture of the painted model the week/month after that, and you'd be blowing PB out of the water on verifiable progress on RRT items!

heck my pictures I post are leaps and bounds ahead of PB.

 Easy E wrote:
Again, Mike proves that he cares more about RRT than Palladium does.

Well said.
Yet also not hard to say.
I wonder how much Robotech stuff "fans" can make until cease and desist letters start getting handed out?
Probably when Kevin starts to think he does not matter... yep, any day now.

 Conrad Turner wrote:
but at this point, doing better at RRT than PB. Well, it's not really that hard, is it?

You underestimate how hard Palladium is working on this. They made TWO, not one but TWO, phone calls last week. Plus we got a whole paragraph mentioning the product in the previous full murmur that wasn't just copy pasted. It actually had some new sentences telling us why were ungrateful for wanting a product on track for just a 3 year delay. You just don't appreciate the progress secretly being made that they can't show us or even mention except for vague often repeated and easily deniable in the future statements. Your expectations are unreasonable and you should apologize by buying some grab bags.

 Mike1975 wrote:
we have an optional version of RRT where you can ditch the fixed squadrons and use what you like. Rules are a bit different of course but if you want you can find it under Mecha Skirmish on Facebook...

There are also rules for converting units from any source so if you want some Gundam or Dougram or whatever....

Are the Mecha Skirmish rules published off FB? Perhaps under Proposed Rules?

Is Mecha Skirmish a clean sheet, RRT tweaked, or some other variant? What are the key objectives and design goals, beyond simply "use what you like"?

The reason I ask is because I'm working up streamlined mecha skirmish rules of my own (i.e. "KOG light"), so I am looking for comparisons.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 Mike1975 wrote:
we have an optional version of RRT where you can ditch the fixed squadrons and use what you like. Rules are a bit different of course but if you want you can find it under Mecha Skirmish on Facebook...

There are also rules for converting units from any source so if you want some Gundam or Dougram or whatever....

Are the Mecha Skirmish rules published off FB? Perhaps under Proposed Rules?

Is Mecha Skirmish a clean sheet, RRT tweaked, or some other variant? What are the key objectives and design goals, beyond simply "use what you like"?

The reason I ask is because I'm working up streamlined mecha skirmish rules of my own (i.e. "KOG light"), so I am looking for comparisons.

Feel free to come over and help out. The rules are mostly RRT. Anti-Missile and a few other things are altered slightly as well as Roll with Impact. Command Points are now Action Points and Leadership Points. You can find some info here
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B0VSNzmthd1vaHpZOW5RRlBEQzA

or join the group and help test the rules out and participate here
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1642366472704877/

@Mike - Thanks very much for the link, I'll check it out tonight.

I'm kind of busy trying to get KL from Alpha to Beta, so I've got my hands full! Down the road, I'm thinking to potentially reskin KL from Heavy Gear to Macross, so I'd have a quick way and easy way of playing my RRT minis.

Feel free to look it over and make suggestions too....this is a WIP....a collaborative effort to make a game that we can all enjoy with or without RRT minis.

 Mike1975 wrote:
Feel free to look it over and make suggestions too....this is a WIP....a collaborative effort to make a game that we can all enjoy with or without RRT minis.

Ha, the second part isn't really by choice though.

Joyboozer wrote:

 Mike1975 wrote:
Feel free to look it over and make suggestions too....this is a WIP....a collaborative effort to make a game that we can all enjoy with or without RRT minis.

Ha, the second part isn't really by choice though.

Yes, and No.....I always planned on converting over to a single system. I bought RRT, the Alpha Strike Rules, Mekton, HG, and CAV. I prefer my modified RRT since I like the rules and I can use whatever I want.

Mike, when you get the warning for posting conversions, is that just on the forums or do they warn you not to on facebook as well?

It continues to amuse me that they have the big DO NOT POST MECH STATS thread/warning on PB's forums, but Mike just links to another page full of mech stats and they don't seem to care.

Like, they have a reputation for sending other sites C&D's over posting conversions to PB's rules set, but don't seem to mind Mike having all kinds of IP's adopted to RRT.

Not a complaint, just an odd bit of inconsistency from them.

Also, something about PB's forums is pissing off my work's web filter.

"We found a security threat.
We stopped it before it could cause any harm.
You tried to visit:
http://forums.palladium-megaverse.com/index.php
Not allowed to browse this Malicious URL."

It makes me laugh every time.

 Forar wrote:
It continues to amuse me that they have the big DO NOT POST MECH STATS thread/warning on PB's forums, but Mike just links to another page full of mech stats and they don't seem to care.

Like, they have a reputation for sending other sites C&D's over posting conversions to PB's rules set, but don't seem to mind Mike having all kinds of IP's adopted to RRT.

Not a complaint, just an odd bit of inconsistency from them.

Also, something about PB's forums is pissing off my work's web filter.

"We found a security threat.
We stopped it before it could cause any harm.
You tried to visit:
http://forums.palladium-megaverse.com/index.php
Not allowed to browse this Malicious URL."

It makes me laugh every time.

Actually Mike got a warning on the PB forums about conversions.

Forar, they have to take something seriously. Obviously promises, delivery dates, and project management don't fit the bill but they definitely draw the line at conversions. As Rick said above, they did crack down on Mike today and that was the initial reason I asked my question about cracking down on his facebook group as well.

I'd compliment your adware filter but it's really not a great feat of programming to determine Palladium's communications and website as either. Heck, their weekly updates have to deny they're not spam each and every time at the very top!

Some goodies

It's a violation of Forums of the Megaverse rules to make posts containing, requesting or promoting the conversions of others IP to a Palladium game system. That rule has been in place since before 2000.

He posted about his rules on Palladium and I had to give him a warning.

What you do here is up to Dakka Dakka's moderators to make their call about.

What's the fotms policy on taking people's money for something and not delivering? Or intentional deceit?
Wonderful you have such strict guidelines over there, I can see why it's so popular.

Joyboozer wrote:
What's the fotms policy on taking people's money for something and not delivering? Or intentional deceit?
Wonderful you have such strict guidelines over there, I can see why it's so popular.

their guidelines and rules are for the lesser peons like us, PB is above the law and can do whatever they want to.

Jefffar wrote:
It's a violation of Forums of the Megaverse rules to make posts containing, requesting or promoting the conversions of others IP to a Palladium game system. That rule has been in place since before 2000.

He posted about his rules on Palladium and I had to give him a warning.

What you do here is up to Dakka Dakka's moderators to make their call about.

That's OK, I can fully understand a company basing an RPG on basically copycatting every IP in the world under a magical new name knowing the risks of any other IP even under the auspices of a different title. If PB wants to "protect" RRT and the Robotech IP's value then they are much better served upholding their promises and delivering than worrying about the IP that they may well turn into a worthless quantity through inattention and lack of communication, work, work ethic, plain old ethics.....etc.

Can you tell I'm a bit annoyed?