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 megatrons2nd wrote:
Sadly, I used the sale of an ancient* collection of Star Wars action figures to pay my way into this Kickstarter. Granted the stuff was just taking up space, and all, but I'd rather have that back than this mess we currently have.

*My collection started when my dad brought some figures back from ToyFair in the 70's. My first figures were the first out in the wild, and I had them before they were in stores.

That sucks dude.

Soul Samurai wrote:

 megatrons2nd wrote:
Sadly, I used the sale of an ancient* collection of Star Wars action figures to pay my way into this Kickstarter. Granted the stuff was just taking up space, and all, but I'd rather have that back than this mess we currently have.

*My collection started when my dad brought some figures back from ToyFair in the 70's. My first figures were the first out in the wild, and I had them before they were in stores.

That sucks dude.

Shall we share our stories then? I invested in RRT because my kid was just getting into an age where tactical gaming was in his ability. My boy has moved up 3 grades since this project started and we have yet to play one game because the pieces he wanted to use aren't even made yet. He's also lost interest in the game as a whole,and doesn't watch the show any longer. I also blew through 6 months of our gaming budget just to pick up RRT. I regret it fully.

Although I only 'invested' the money I could afford at the time for some models I used to love, and am not currently sweating on that money, I didn't sell anything to be able to buy into the campaign, I didn't commit months worth of model budget to get this............

I am still mightily annoyed that my money, amongst all those that have backed, has allowed PB to continue being the faildogs that they are, which has probably allowed them to catch more unsuspecting 'customers' and take their money for sub-standard merchandise and a flood of weak excuses and "We're totally working on it, dude! [giggle]" non-updates.

I am sorely tempted to back their next campaign for as much as I can ................... Just so I can cancel it in the last week of the campaign and give them a weak excuse as to why I did it.

So in other words "I was working really, really hard on that pledge, but due to strategic reasons I was unable to complete the pledge in my originally forecasted time. It's really because I care about you guys just, so much. You deserve the best pledge possible so I'll revisit in a few month's time and let you know how much progress I'm making towards that. It will simply be the best pledge ever, even if it takes years to finally deliver."?

It is rather saddening to hear of the people who gave up much better things to back this project, and Conrad's point about the bigger issue being that they can continue to take money for not delivering is certainly one that should be taken to heart. Bad things will only continue happening as a result until someone is made to account for them. Defiance serves as a good example in this regard as how many people were burned before that wreck collapsed on itself? It did finally collapse right? Thought I remembered seeing that they were officially bankrupt somewhere...

In other news I finished Macross Zero.

Geeze what a waste.

Terribad.

jaymz wrote:
Howdy
As of midnight the proboard and wiki will be under new administration. The wiki may take a few days to transfer as we figure out how to actually hand it over. The proboard will be transferred tonight.
The new admins of the proboard will be Talizvar and n815e.
Thank you to everyone who supported the two sites while I ran them

I would echo n815e and say thanks for the hard work.
The proboard will be interesting.
I will see what we can do to get things going there.
I dunno, it may distract me from dakka a bit.

Just to add there is a link to the proboards on the main FB page. It came about as a way to hold conversations and keep them there where FB quickly buries things. Boards are much better for remembering and having older conversations that people may want to reference down the road.


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 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
In other news I finished Macross Zero.

Geeze what a waste.

Terribad.

I never finished Episode 1.....good to know my instincts were correct.

I would like to see more traffic on the boards. I visit them at least once a day to check out what others have been posting. When wave one shipped out there was a good amount of traffic.

I realize that people have given up, moved on, are holding off or whatever. But if you are doing things with the models or the game, it would be nice to see you there.
I post there whenever I do something RRT related.

I volunteered to become an admin because I still have interest in this project and I didn't want to see the boards go away or get handed to a PB stooge.

Between PB's own forums, here, the KS comments, and a few other places the topic comes up now and then, I generally never saw enough need to post on those as well.

Oh, also the now defunct boards that died an ignoble death ages ago.

So I won't be bringing my particular brand of ... "humour" (and abyssal negativity) along, but I sincerely hope they thrive and provide a place for people to talk about the game with likeminded folks.

I dropped about 3 months worth of gaming budget into my portion of the Robotech split, because I was hoping to get a set of hard plastic minis in consistent scale. I'm pretty mad at Kevin for completely mismanaging this thing. Fething gakbag.

 n815e wrote:
I would like to see more traffic on the boards. I visit them at least once a day to check out what others have been posting. When wave one shipped out there was a good amount of traffic.

I realize that people have given up, moved on, are holding off or whatever. But if you are doing things with the models or the game, it would be nice to see you there.
I post there whenever I do something RRT related.

I volunteered to become an admin because I still have interest in this project and I didn't want to see the boards go away or get handed to a PB stooge.

I just posted a set of Gnerl force cards on there. I'm still working on getting a set of organized play rules finished, but work has kept me extremely busy..that in my down time...I don't even want to look or sit at a computer...

 CaptKaruthors wrote:

 n815e wrote:
I would like to see more traffic on the boards. I visit them at least once a day to check out what others have been posting. When wave one shipped out there was a good amount of traffic.

I realize that people have given up, moved on, are holding off or whatever. But if you are doing things with the models or the game, it would be nice to see you there.
I post there whenever I do something RRT related.

I volunteered to become an admin because I still have interest in this project and I didn't want to see the boards go away or get handed to a PB stooge.

I just posted a set of Gnerl force cards on there. I'm still working on getting a set of organized play rules finished, but work has kept me extremely busy..that in my down time...I don't even want to look or sit at a computer...

Or you could just ask....I do have them all.

In many ways I got off better than most of you.

My intent was to get Destroids, for use in Battletech. I got them.

Everything else, is pretty much icing. MAC IIs are the big ticket item, but the rest I'm ok to wait a bit. PB still have to deliver, that's a given.

Yes, I did drop a bit of the budget into it, but at that point I was over-saturated in other systems, so diverting a bit from other places wasn't too bad.

Well, I'm working on Nodal Wars: Skirmish for 12-24 units/side, Nodal Wars: Tactics for larger scale games, and have Battletech, CAV, and RRT minis to spare.

I just need to finish and test Nodal Wars

Mike1975 you need to stop doing Wayne's job. Your making him look like he's getting nothing done for rrt.

Why the name "nodal" out of curiosity?

Or you could just ask....I do have them all.

If you have all of them that means PB has them...so why aren't they releasing them to the public? Why sit on them when releasing them can ease the heat they are getting from the backers? Idiots. My support card differs from theirs in the fact that my support card can be added to a Elite Core or Regult Force card. I figured they could be added to a unit of Battle Pods as close air support.

darkminstrel wrote:

Soul Samurai wrote:

 megatrons2nd wrote:
Sadly, I used the sale of an ancient* collection of Star Wars action figures to pay my way into this Kickstarter. Granted the stuff was just taking up space, and all, but I'd rather have that back than this mess we currently have.

*My collection started when my dad brought some figures back from ToyFair in the 70's. My first figures were the first out in the wild, and I had them before they were in stores.

That sucks dude.

Shall we share our stories then? I invested in RRT because my kid was just getting into an age where tactical gaming was in his ability. My boy has moved up 3 grades since this project started and we have yet to play one game because the pieces he wanted to use aren't even made yet. He's also lost interest in the game as a whole,and doesn't watch the show any longer. I also blew through 6 months of our gaming budget just to pick up RRT. I regret it fully.

He might be a candidate for Starwars Imperial Assault if he likes Starwars.

The Universe begins a few hundred years from now as we are expanding. Humans start a Civil War with the Border Worlds. A mining ship catches snatches of a battle between some unknowns and we are drawn into battle.

After that war, which Humanity came close to losing someone developed Node Gates. They allow ships to move into other planes. So Humans now become pirates and start stealing resources, technology and more from other universes.

So you can crossover using any 6mm or close to it minis that you have at home.

Hope that helps.


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We also later develop Deployment Gates based on the same tech. You can deploy forces through them. Ideal for raiding.

A few times Earth exploratory fleets get stomped. One was when we sent a ship into a plane where we came upon some massive green ships and Ostrich like mecha.

 Cypher-xv wrote:
Mike1975 you need to stop doing Wayne's job. Your making him look like he's getting nothing done for rrt.

Agreed. For them not to have Wave 2 cards in PDF form on DrivethruRPG.com is shameful. To do my version of the Gnerl cards it only took me an evening..and that's mainly because I had to scan a different zentraedi card for each type..then replace the contents of that card with the gnerl stats with content aware and clone tools. If I had the templates that PB have, I could have done it in a matter of minutes. This type of work, if you have the templates already...doesn't take long at all. There is NO excuse why they can't have these ready other than laziness. Otherwise, I call them either stupid, or liars.

lol, they have had them all since before wave 1.....

I've also have my Power Point versions of them made since before wave 1 was released.

see?

Why don't they just post them then? WTF? If the work is done. Release it! I know many people that would like to have the official cards because they are scratch building Lancers, Gnerls, etc. and would like play these units with official cards. Idiots. Uploading something to the web takes very little time. This could have been done months ago. OR should have been done immediately when they were completed.

If you check my sig I have custom cards like those above with all the official stats.....those have been around for a while......

I know that they have. I just don't get why PB would sit on the completed cards when they could have saved themselves the headache and just put them all up on DrivethruRPG.com. Doing that gives people the chance to try out those units...even if they have to proxy or scratch build them, etc. while they wait for Wave 2. Personally, I'm having a blast with the female power armor and even though the new blast rules nerfed them slightly, they still are one of the most powerful units in the game. If PB was smart, they'd package the metal convention exclusive versions into a box set and release it. They are losing money by doing nothing with them. The people that bought them at the conventions already have them...they aren't buying anymore. They aren't really exclusive anymore...so they should just release them. Then when the plastics are ready...re-release the box set of them in plastic. GW did this with some of their models...and I don't see why PB couldn't do it with FPA. Meh.

 CaptKaruthors wrote:

 Cypher-xv wrote:
Mike1975 you need to stop doing Wayne's job. Your making him look like he's getting nothing done for rrt.

Agreed. For them not to have Wave 2 cards in PDF form on DrivethruRPG.com is shameful. To do my version of the Gnerl cards it only took me an evening..and that's mainly because I had to scan a different zentraedi card for each type..then replace the contents of that card with the gnerl stats with content aware and clone tools. If I had the templates that PB have, I could have done it in a matter of minutes. This type of work, if you have the templates already...doesn't take long at all. There is NO excuse why they can't have these ready other than laziness. Otherwise, I call them either stupid, or liars.

Heh. That was a long running point I had back on the Kickstarter comments in response to people defending PB. Ignorant, inept, or deceitful. Pick one. Never considered lazy. But with the current state of things with regards the Wave 2 cards/standees, I have to concede it's a possibility.

And your point regarding timeframe is perfectly valid. When you look at the raw numbers, you lose sight of the enormity of the reality. It's been the better part of 48 weeks since the last significant update. It's been almost 30 weeks since the "full breakdown" thing. Plug in any number of hours that you would consider the minimum for PB staff to be "constantly working on the project", per week, and look at the aggregate time, and it's astounding they've got nothing to show. Some of this stuff is long term. But the cards, like you said, is a couple days work at MOST. Likely much less. And possibly, already done. But they're sitting on it for *reasons*.

But I guess they know what they're doing. I guess they figure they're at bottom, so why dribble it out? Keep everything until you can knock it out of the park. After all, they've got the relaunch coming "soon". I think they're banking on most people forgiving them once everything lands. Either that, or they're keeping it in reserve until forced to show movement to stave off legal challenges. "See, FTC? We just released the cardboard standees! We're showing progress!".

 CaptKaruthors wrote:
Why don't they just post them then? WTF? If the work is done. Release it! I know many people that would like to have the official cards because they are scratch building Lancers, Gnerls, etc. and would like play these units with official cards. Idiots. Uploading something to the web takes very little time. This could have been done months ago. OR should have been done immediately when they were completed.

Because then you use those, and go buy an alternative for the non-existent models.

Then Kevin doesn't get the money.

So, really, to do so would be to steal from Kevin.

Because then you use those, and go buy an alternative for the non-existent models.

Then Kevin doesn't get the money.

So, really, to do so would be to steal from Kevin.

That's nonsense. He already has the money. He should release them to the backers at the very least...then put them up on DrivethruRPG.com for a small fee to the public. Now he gets some money from the people that didn't back the Kickstarter...and gets to claim forward progress. That's win-win for PB. Doing nothing gains nothing..and people will make their own anyways. Net gain for PB? Nothing. If they are completed...they should release them. Period.

 CaptKaruthors wrote:
I know that they have. I just don't get why PB would sit on the completed cards when they could have saved themselves the headache and just put them all up on DrivethruRPG.com.

I suppose they thought it was better to gather all the smaller projects that folks were doing free for them, waste an entire year doing almost nothing publicly, and then release something cummulatively bigger to add to their own likely meagre efforts for the relaunch of the game they don't deserve.

 CaptKaruthors wrote:

Because then you use those, and go buy an alternative for the non-existent models.

Then Kevin doesn't get the money.

So, really, to do so would be to steal from Kevin.

That's nonsense. He already has the money. He should release them to the backers at the very least...then put them up on DrivethruRPG.com for a small fee to the public. Now he gets some money from the people that didn't back the Kickstarter...and gets to claim forward progress. That's win-win for PB. Doing nothing gains nothing..and people will make their own anyways. Net gain for PB? Nothing. If they are completed...they should release them. Period.

Well sure. You've already paid for the miniatures. Guess what? Means you don't count.

OTHER people, who haven't paid for the miniatures. Are they going to not use an alternative for the weeks days months year multiple years they had access to cards but no game pieces? Of course not. And if those people find alternatives, they might not go ahead and spend money on Mouthwatering Palladium Books Miniatures(tm) when they've already got something.