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 Krinsath wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Anyway...has Wayne or PB ever expressed any shame over just how wrong that Feb 28, 2015 'update' was?

PB? Show shame? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....oh feth me that was a good one Alph. Definitely put that one in your five-minute set for your miniatures comedy act.

More likely they will point the finger at someone like Rick who is the Ringleader of All Detractors and the Prince of All Lies (told about PB). Due to those persons, they can't show their not-progress because mean people on the Internet will be mean to them. Or they'll throw some other lackey or contractor under the bus because blame-shifting is PB's stock-in-trade and not so much self-awareness nor humility. At least one of those things are required to experience "shame" after all.

Before that it was a poster called Logan who got blamed for being a conspiracy of one and the rest of us were his sockpuppets because there couldnt possibly be more than one hater at a time.

@Morgan - I don't care how many pieces it is - I've built RRT, so, by Yan Lo's beard, I can build that! That Shadow Emissary is gorgeous, and I want one!

As I noted, backers passing on does not absolve Palladium of their responsibility to deliver product. The pledge is owed to the estate of the deceased; however, it is likely that the executor and heirs may have less interest than the decedent, so their pledge shipment may be deferred without the usual angst for going last.

I also agree that it would be nice for Wyrd to show a picture of the painted model front and center of their packaging like GW does. They can have the 3-D render on the back, but those pretty pictures from GW do sell minis!

What's weird (...) is that Wyrd used to do the Painted Mini pic, and (in this amateur's opinion) they were pretty damned good paint jobs.

Then, I think around the time of the move to plastics, if not specifically around that change, they just started showing the grey renders.

I'm not sure why they moved, but I too liked the painted figure on the box.

Quicker production time, probably.

For a color painted mini on the packaging they'd have to get a completed mini (probably want an actual plastic, not a 3D-printed prototype). Then they get it to a painter. Then the painter gets it back to them. Then professional photography.

...and THEN they can finally put that picture on the box and print the packaging.

Seems like a potentially inevitable delay that they've decided they don't need.

I know last time I was at Gen Con their booth was gigantic and continually busy. Probably second in activity to FFG from what I saw.

I can't recall it being packed when I was at Gencon 2015, but it was definitely massive, and they had more (and larger/better) terrain set up in the gaming area (tournaments, open play, etc) than a lot of other games.

Shame my crew had a bit of a falling out over the 1.5 to 2E shift (some antsy Warhammer players that took issue with an edition change, it was... complicated). There were elements I wasn't a fan of with 2E, but when I was in the beta, I did like the random scheme availability and the bluff potential from objective marker placement.

Merijeek wrote:
Quicker production time, probably.

For a color painted mini on the packaging they'd have to get a completed mini (probably want an actual plastic, not a 3D-printed prototype). Then they get it to a painter. Then the painter gets it back to them. Then professional photography.

...and THEN they can finally put that picture on the box and print the packaging.

It's not only that I think. There's a number of painted minis that looked hideous when photographed, but was more the problem of the paint job and/ or the photography. Might be better off just raw plastic/ resin or renders.

 Lynx7725 wrote:
It's not only that I think. There's a number of painted minis that looked hideous when photographed, but was more the problem of the paint job and/ or the photography. Might be better off just raw plastic/ resin or renders.

I could open the can of worms and say digital touchup can be an option.
What works for living, breathing models should be ok for miniature models: blemish removal, shaving off a couple grams...
Seeing renders still does not give a clear sense of scale to me.
I found nothing ruins what was an "awesome" paintjob more than a high resolution picture viewed at 6X or greater than actual size of the model.

A side note on this topic with RRT: Those Veritechs are hard to do justice painting, the details are so small paint tends to look blobby and unless you use a technical pen, most lines look too wide and wobbly. Normal 3' viewing distance, just block painting looks good never mind if shading is done.

 Talizvar wrote:
A side note on this topic with RRT: Those Veritechs are hard to do justice painting, the details are so small paint tends to look blobby and unless you use a technical pen, most lines look too wide and wobbly. Normal 3' viewing distance, just block painting looks good never mind if shading is done.

I think part of the problem may be that the initial modelling was done at a large scale, and then the modeler just scaled it down and left it at that. I've been messing around with 3D printers, I'm finding that approach to be largely just poor at results -- you should model for the scale you want to produce at. Some details are fiddly when reduced and they add up to a shapeless blob after a while.

 Talizvar wrote:

 Lynx7725 wrote:
It's not only that I think. There's a number of painted minis that looked hideous when photographed, but was more the problem of the paint job and/ or the photography. Might be better off just raw plastic/ resin or renders.

I could open the can of worms and say digital touchup can be an option.
What works for living, breathing models should be ok for miniature models: blemish removal, shaving off a couple grams...
Seeing renders still does not give a clear sense of scale to me.
I found nothing ruins what was an "awesome" paintjob more than a high resolution picture viewed at 6X or greater than actual size of the model.

A side note on this topic with RRT: Those Veritechs are hard to do justice painting, the details are so small paint tends to look blobby and unless you use a technical pen, most lines look too wide and wobbly. Normal 3' viewing distance, just block painting looks good never mind if shading is done.

It's not the size of the details that's the issue, the issue is the bloody seams. Extremely difficult to get smooth enough for a full on macro shot, which you need for box art.
This is about the best I could get, after around 2 hours assembly/putty work per piece. I still need to do a few more custom decals for this (numbering) but I'm not very motivated on it right now. Too much other stuff to do that's actually playable.

winterdyne wrote:
It's not the size of the details that's the issue, the issue is the bloody seams. Extremely difficult to get smooth enough for a full on macro shot, which you need for box art.
This is about the best I could get, after around 2 hours assembly/putty work per piece. I still need to do a few more custom decals for this (numbering) but I'm not very motivated on it right now.
Too much other stuff to do that's actually playable.

Spend enough time you can "make a silk purse out of a sow's ear".
Mighty fine painting I might add, I had seen that earlier.
I agree that many flat areas they decided to make their parting line cuts which requires a fair bit of time getting smooth again after bonding.
Legs, arms and gun spring to mind.
I can sympathize on the amount of work being hard to justify for a poorly supported game.
I would have suggested before that it should still make you happy to see these in miniature but I have seen that there are so many more worthy model kits to build for Robotech / Macross.
I was tempted to look at the 1/100 scale kits that are somewhat plentiful.

I will keep pounding away at mine until I have exhausted about as much of an army I can make for both sides and then start getting creative in making the other missing wave2 models.

I keep looking at that "Monster" destroid toy at 1/200 scale and think "with a little screw hole filling and some paint... hmmmm...".

 Lynx7725 wrote:

Merijeek wrote:
Quicker production time, probably.

For a color painted mini on the packaging they'd have to get a completed mini (probably want an actual plastic, not a 3D-printed prototype). Then they get it to a painter. Then the painter gets it back to them. Then professional photography.

...and THEN they can finally put that picture on the box and print the packaging.

It's not only that I think. There's a number of painted minis that looked hideous when photographed, but was more the problem of the paint job and/ or the photography. Might be better off just raw plastic/ resin or renders.

meh when it comes to my RRT minis i'm only doing table top standard since they are not even worthy of a decent paint job in my books

Very nice work! When you say two hours per piece, do you mean piece as in individual part on the sprue or piece as in individual model?

winterdyne wrote:

It's not the size of the details that's the issue, the issue is the bloody seams. Extremely difficult to get smooth enough for a full on macro shot, which you need for box art.This is about the best I could get, after around 2 hours assembly/putty work per piece.

Those look very nice. Yes, I agree about the seams. My Destroids have.. not nice ones that are very hard to get at once assembled. That one I don't mind chalking up to inexperience on PB's part, but a smart/ experienced mold-cutter could have minimized it. I'm not convinced that they learnt from Wave 1 on mold-line placement.

Overall, it's just a big hassle to get one mini assembled. PB apparently learnt that lesson, but I'm not sure their parts reduction drive that took well over a year+ will have any results, really.

I mean 2 hours per model. For fun though the Yamato 1/48 Valkyrie toys are exceptional to work with. I presume the 1/60 lot (later by Arcadia) and the newer bandai stuff are of similar quality. Expensive to source though outside of Japan.

I'm tired of the bs. I just filed with the FTC last night. Later on today I'll file with the MG AG. Now's the time. I'm not waiting till next season to be told just to keep the faith. Feth that.

 Cypher-xv wrote:
I'm tired of the bs. I just filed with the FTC last night. Later on today I'll file with the MG AG. Now's the time. I'm not waiting till next season to be told just to keep the faith. Feth that.

Good, good! Let your anger flow!
<Ahem>Adding your voice to others that filed is appreciated: Welcome to the dark side.

 Talizvar wrote:

 Cypher-xv wrote:
I'm tired of the bs. I just filed with the FTC last night. Later on today I'll file with the MG AG. Now's the time. I'm not waiting till next season to be told just to keep the faith. Feth that.

Good, good! Let your anger flow!
<Ahem>Adding your voice to others that filed is appreciated: Welcome to the dark side.

In that case I'll be emo Kylo Ren.

 Cypher-xv wrote:

In that case I'll be emo Kylo Ren.

Um, is there a non-emo Kylo Ren? That's like saying you'll be a short Yoda or fat Jabba.

Thanks for that Warboss.

Now, anytime I read this thread, I'm going to be thinking "Fat Jabba" to myself!

And if that means that the one we saw on screen was "Thin Jabba"!

 warboss wrote:

 Cypher-xv wrote:

In that case I'll be emo Kylo Ren.

Um, is there a non-emo Kylo Ren? That's like saying you'll be a short Yoda or fat Jabba.

Touché Boss of Wars

By the way this was posted on Funny Or Die. Oh the irony.

@Conrad and Cypher: thanks... a bit of levity in a thread so filled with suck like this project is nice one in a while.

Also, I agree that Admiral Quackbar should top that list. It's a tquack!

A "Fat Kevin" sounds like something that a fan friend gets when they're in Kevin's presence.

 Cypher-xv wrote:
"A Fat Kevin" sounds like something that a fan friend gets when they're in Kevin's presence.

Hahaha

Or if they get reaaallly excitied they get A Third Kevin.

To keep things civil I think we should all keep our own personal Kevin in our pants.

Sorry, I don't own a pair that are big enough to hold a whole Kevin.

I certainly feel like I have been stiffed by Kevin

Well, I'm not surprised he has the staff all taking pictures of Geese.

He's nothing but a huge Male Hen, after all!

Meh. Dumb joke deleted.

Morgan, you should join us on the Dork side!

Waiting for someone to post a meme of him doing his "Yes" pose and making a reference to using his fist...