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 n815e wrote:
Waiting for someone to post a meme of him doing his "Yes" pose and making a reference to using his fist...

Here you go.


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This meme gave me a fat Kevin

I'm more than a little surprised that he has books written by people other than himself on those shelves.

Merijeek wrote:
I'm more than a little surprised that he has books written by people other than himself on those shelves.

He scribbled some in the margin of those titles, thereby allowing him to claim authorship. Standard PB practice.

This thread finds new ways to quack me up.

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I'll just get me coat...

Merijeek wrote:
I'm more than a little surprised that he has books written by people other than himself on those shelves.

Ask the authors of dead reign how well that worked out for them. Or any freelancer for that matter.

Actually it is about 50/50 when itcomes to freelancers and how they feel.

Some feel screwed. Some feel very happy. Others just dont care to discuss it either way.


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Actually it is about 50/50 when itcomes to freelancers and how they feel.

Some feel screwed. Some feel very happy. Others just dont care to discuss it either way.

So did the lancer and ghost model change since we saw them last? They still look like crud compared to the art.

 Swabby wrote:
So did the lancer and ghost model change sonce we saw them last? They still look like crud compared to the art.

The last time we saw those models is pretty much the last time we got a proper update almost exactly a year ago. They still publicly look like what they previewed because in the entire year since Palladium hasn't bothered releasing ANY proof of actual progress unfortunately.

Well at least it isn't my imagination. They look exactly the same.

From the latest weekly Rifter subscription newsletter:

UPDATE: Robotech® RPG Tactics™
This week there has been a lot of discussions and planning about new Robotech® product releases and the ideas, products and people to help us facilitate our plans as we put them in place. Robotech® RPG Tactics™ is our top priority for 2016 and 2017, but there are a lot of moving pieces and we want our next push to really deliver. We’ll be keeping you posted as details are nailed down.

2017 has now officially been mentioned! We have been updated!

Also:

Strategicon – February 12-15, 2016
Convention Name: Strategicon – Orccon.
Dates: February 12-15, 2016; Presidents’ Day weekend.
Location: Los Angeles, California.
Website: http://www.strategicon.net/
Supporting: Role-playing games and a major Robotech® RPG Tactics™ Build and Paint Workshop and Robotech® RPG Tactics™ Tournaments. Note: Last year's RRT tournaments were 300 and 1000 points each. Anticipating 76+ participants for the RRT tournament thus far.

Anticipating 76+ participants for a relatively unknown convention? A number higher than pretty much every RRT tourney up until this point combined? I guess they're anticipating that like they were anticipating doing 2-3 murmurs each week as a new years resolution (broken two weeks after they made it with ZERO updates in the second week) and 20+ books per year (or more recently 6+ books in the first 6 months of 2016). Also, it might be difficult to get those numbers given that the no robotech events are listed on the con's website one week before it starts...

http://www.strategicon.net/index.php?goto=events

Also, Forar, are you in the Toronto area? I thought I remembered you mentioning something GTA (and not related to the video game). If you're going to Anime North, you can meet Kevin Siembieda and Chuck Walton and ask them for an update without them closing the ticket without responding or sending a form letter response to an email.

Kevin Siembieda and Charles Walton II are guests at the 2016 Anime North.

My bet - there were 76xY backers in California.

So, there should be at least 76 people at this tournament.

Hopefully we can get pictures from someone. You know PB won't be producing any.

Hell, I'm Downtown Toronto. But Anime North tickets are expensive enough that my interest is minimal in just paying to swing by and mock them in person. Though I do have a couple of friends working the Con, I'll have to see if I might be able to pop in with their help.

And yeah, the 2017 mention didn't go unnoticed. That doesn't bode well at all. "Heating up in the spring/summer", and 2016/2017? Heh.

Looks like people are getting banned from posting on PB's FB posts. There're also erasing posts.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 Forar wrote:
But seriously, anyone who thinks that 3 fething years is still "oh shut up and be patient" numbers is out of their fething mind.

In the time that Palladium has started this project, Wyrd has moved from Metal to Plastic, and released like four hundred different figures.

... that may be hyperbole.

Not by much. In a full year's time Palladium hasn't really shown anything of substance.

Kingdom Death, at least gives quarterly(?) Updates, but at least those Updates have been truly, mouth-wateringly substantial. Wave 3 (Expansions), I've seen that he's got sprues made, print in pre-production, and so fort. Real progress. And Adam makes some effort to communicate in the Comments when he's not absolutely buried.

Wyrd has redone their entire range, releasing what looks to be 6+ Crews for 7 factions, each with roughly half-dozen models? So that's ~250 figures just in the starting Crews, plus another 50-100 models (including TTB) to round them out. I estimate 300-350 models by Wyrd in the conversion from M1E metal to M2E plastic. I would not be surprised if the current count is pushing 400, but yeah. Go Wyrd! Speaking of, I recently traded to get a boatload of M1E metal, but the new stuff is amazing!

Spoiler:

Do want!

It feels like salt in the wound to say, 'welcome to 1996,' but we've reached the point where Kevin has been using the same SSDD bs excuses for non-delivery of products literally for decades (I don't know if one RPG book that went up for pre-order and PB took money for in the early 90s ever got delivered - I know it hadn't by the mid 2000s.) The real wonder is that despite all of that failure (and the Crisis of Treachery when a friend embezzled money and stole from the company) PB has yet to completely implode.

 Cypher-xv wrote:
Looks like people are getting banned from posting on PB's FB posts. There're also erasing posts.

Yup. As I said in a message that'll likely get deleted, or at the least get me banned, much easier to ban people than actually address their concerns.

And there's at least one person cheering them on. Cause people can be great like that.

But hey, at least they're treating their FB page like their Forum page. Ruled with an iron fist that will not tolerate dissent, and only really available to those that can already see the glory of Kevin.

Well, something shines out of his backside, but don't forget that all that glitters isn't Gold!

 warboss wrote:
Also:

Strategicon – February 12-15, 2016
Convention Name: Strategicon – Orccon.
Dates: February 12-15, 2016; Presidents’ Day weekend.
Location: Los Angeles, California.
Website: http://www.strategicon.net/
Supporting: Role-playing games and a major Robotech® RPG Tactics™ Build and Paint Workshop and Robotech® RPG Tactics™ Tournaments. Note: Last year's RRT tournaments were 300 and 1000 points each. Anticipating 76+ participants for the RRT tournament thus far.

Anticipating 76+ participants for a relatively unknown convention? A number higher than pretty much every RRT tourney up until this point combined? I guess they're anticipating that like they were anticipating doing 2-3 murmurs each week as a new years resolution (broken two weeks after they made it with ZERO updates in the second week) and 20+ books per year (or more recently 6+ books in the first 6 months of 2016). Also, it might be difficult to get those numbers given that the no robotech events are listed on the con's website one week before it starts...

http://www.strategicon.net/index.php?goto=events

Yeah, given that Orrcon (the one of three conventions that Strategicon run, that is the one being mentioned) had "over 2000 attendees" last year, and was their largest attendance in two decades at the time (since beaten by Gateway with over 2100), expecting that many people to attend an event that's never shown a large playerbase (the two cons we have data for had 20 slots each, and averaged about half that), and as you said isn't listed in the event guide (neither was any result shown for Palladium, or several of the more common PB universes), let alone a major push elsewhere.

And yes, with a week before it starts, it sounds excessively Kevinesque. Of absolutely wishful thinking, rather than the actual reality of the situation.

It's also interesting to note that as of yet, noone has put their hand up to run a tournament at GenCon, and submissions need to be in to PB this weekend, as "events submitted AFTER FEBRUARY 14, 2016 are not likely to get listed in the Gen Con Pre-Registration and onsite program book.". If they can't get anyone to run one there, and they're not having an Event at Adepticon, I wonder how they're going to accomplish a "relaunch"? Seriously, if RRT was half the priority they claim it to be, they'd have a PB staffer, or at least a permanent helpermonkey (Carmen, NMI, etc) run the tournament, rather than depending on the kindness of strangers. If they're not willing to step up, why should anyone else?

 Bookwrack wrote:
It feels like salt in the wound to say, 'welcome to 1996,' but we've reached the point where Kevin has been using the same SSDD bs excuses for non-delivery of products literally for decades (I don't know if one RPG book that went up for pre-order and PB took money for in the early 90s ever got delivered - I know it hadn't by the mid 2000s.) The real wonder is that despite all of that failure (and the Crisis of Treachery when a friend embezzled money and stole from the company) PB has yet to completely implode.

You mean the Mechanoid Space book? No, it hasn't been released. Actually, they still allow you to preorder it, for 25 bucks:

http://palladium-store.com/1001/product/320-Mechanoids-Space.html

Kevin Siembieda wrote:I want Mechanoids® Space to be truly epic and boggle the imagination.

Well... good job! 27 years in preorder certainly boggle the imagination.

 Cypher-xv wrote:
Looks like people are getting banned from posting on PB's FB posts. There're also erasing posts.

Yes. I've evidently been banned for making negative comments about PB. Kevin has also posted a message that PB is looking into taking legal action to not fulfill their RTT obligations to people who were mean to them! I wish I had listened to the people who warned me against PB before I gave them hundreds of my dollars.

The full comment makes me highly suspicious of trolling:

The comments from the very small minority of people we have banned are no longer welcome on our page. Someone said to me once, "to increase business moral all you need to do is fire the unhappy people."

We are currently seeking legal avenues with the intention to not supply Wave 2 product to those that have acted to cause defamation on our page. This is to seek restitution for the inaccurate and unwarranted representation those detractors have given my... I mean OUR great company.

We are not to blame in this scenario at all. It is everyone else's fault and we have been left to clean up the mess. Palladium is new to the miniature market and have been left to forge our own path as we learn this new and exciting endeavour. We will take as much time as needed to make sure we do this right and not a year sooner.

Emphasis has been added to a few points. In order:
-I'm pretty sure Kevin knows the difference between moral and morale, even if he doesn't care about either.
-Kevin doesn't write corrections to the middle of his thoughts as though he's speaking, even if he does often take a conversational tone.
-The bit about it being everyone else's fault is something we often deride PB for, but contravenes earlier statements made by PB.
-"Not a year sooner" really begins to stretch credulity, as Kevin would be more likely to promise it tomorrow than admit it will be next decade
-"Kevin's" profile picture depicts him holding RRT product. While it's probably the biggest cash infusion for the company, it's quite obvious -it's not a product that Kevin would be so strongly attached to nor does it have ads for PB and future products on the public page.

Final nail in the coffin for me on believing this post on its face is the complete lack of (c) and (tm) throughout. Plus as we all know Facebook is nearly impossible to set up, especially in the PB offices.

So that goes into the "needs citation" column for me before I'd panic too much. It could be Kevin, because he's shown a certain amount of deranged behavior in the past, but a lot of little details are off. While Kevin has trolled RRT backers for close to a year, this seems like a different one.

Damnit, I actually missed their quiet 2017 update.

Frankly, it seems like they accomplish in one week what I'm expected to complete in a day. Sounds like that they had some chitchat in the pantry about direction and progress of RRT and that's the effort they devoted to RRT for the week.

 Bookwrack wrote:

It feels like salt in the wound to say, 'welcome to 1996,' but we've reached the point where Kevin has been using the same SSDD bs excuses for non-delivery of products for decades (I don't know if one RPG book that went up for pre-order and PB took money for in the early 90s ever got delivered - I know it hadn't by the mid 2000s.) The real wonder is that despite all of that failure (and the Crisis of Treachery when a friend embezzled money and stole from the company) PB has yet to completely implode.

Point of order - Palladium's pre-order system only charges money when the product is released. So while some books have remained in pre-order for years, tthat money was never collected from those who made orders.

Obviously this does not apply to their crowdfunded products.

But how easy is it to cancel that pre-order on their system? If you can't, you may be in for a shock when they finally say "It's out, so you now owe us the money for it. And by the way, we're charging you extra for the fact that the credit card number you gave us 27 years ago is no longer valid."

If you can cancel, how many people did so before the credit card expired and won't get charged or get a copy? How many forgot all about it and in another 10 years or so will end up with a situation as above?


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 mdauben wrote:

 Cypher-xv wrote:
Looks like people are getting banned from posting on PB's FB posts. There're also erasing posts.

Yes. I've evidently been banned for making negative comments about PB. Kevin has also posted a message that PB is looking into taking legal action to not fulfill their RTT obligations to people who were mean to them! I wish I had listened to the people who warned me against PB before I gave them hundreds of my dollars.

I hope that IF someone does get a note like that, they take him to see Judge Judy. Hell, I'm from England, but if I found out that was happening, I'd get tickets to get over there and be in the gallery that day! Quickest court case in history, and a good chance of getting a refund and damages, all on international TV!

It'll be interesting to see who qualifies under the "not sending things to people who were mean to us" category.

Sure, that one guy who said that Kevin should kill himself was well over the line (and a number of familiar names including Mike and Jaymz, both of whom have expressed considerable frustration with the campaign, called him out on it), but what about those who have expressed themselves more constructively?

Though as someone points out on the page, it seems to be a brand new FB account, so perhaps it's just a troll with a good sense on how to write in Kevin's tone/style.

That said, I'm glad to see there are some people who can still point out that this running gag is unacceptable, but with them banning detractors those posts will also stand out more, so it wouldn't surprise me if the axe continued to swing as the days and weeks go by.

Edit: also worth noting, RRT 'being a priority for 2016/2017' isn't mutually exclusive with delivering wave 2 this year. It would require giving them vastly more benefit of the doubt than they deserve, as quietly tucking 'bad news' in like this is totally their style, but to save someone the trouble of pointing it out, I figured I'd mention it myself. I don't buy it for a second, I do think this is them trying to ease into telling us they are immensely fethed, but one could argue (in a wonderfully Palladium'esque way) that it's not impossible. I mean, there are other possibilities.

Like 2017 being when they might launch the next Kickstarter.

I'd be interested to see them try that again. On one hand, they'd have a LOT more control if they did a NG style in-house crowdfunding campaign, but on the other hand, they wouldn't get a fraction of the money a platform like KS or Indiegogo or whatever would bring.

 Cypher-xv wrote:
Looks like people are getting banned from posting on PB's FB posts. There're also erasing posts.

They TOLD Jaymz that there is a lot of work in doing a Facebook page. But nooooooooo.

Now NMI needs to double the amount of time he spends stomping around in his jackboots.


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 Lynx7725 wrote:
Damnit, I actually missed their quiet 2017 update.

Frankly, it seems like they accomplish in one week what I'm expected to complete in a day. Sounds like that they had some chitchat in the pantry about direction and progress of RRT and that's the effort they devoted to RRT for the week.

Wayne: Kevin, should be discuss RRT?
Kevin: feth that.

(Wayne checks box on lawyer-supplied form)

Wayne: Mission Accomplished!

 Krinsath wrote:
The full comment makes me highly suspicious of trolling:

The comments from the very small minority of people we have banned are no longer welcome on our page. Someone said to me once, "to increase business moral all you need to do is fire the unhappy people."

We are currently seeking legal avenues with the intention to not supply Wave 2 product to those that have acted to cause defamation on our page. This is to seek restitution for the inaccurate and unwarranted representation those detractors have given my... I mean OUR great company.

We are not to blame in this scenario at all. It is everyone else's fault and we have been left to clean up the mess. Palladium is new to the miniature market and have been left to forge our own path as we learn this new and exciting endeavour. We will take as much time as needed to make sure we do this right and not a year sooner.

Emphasis has been added to a few points. In order:
-I'm pretty sure Kevin knows the difference between moral and morale, even if he doesn't care about either.
-Kevin doesn't write corrections to the middle of his thoughts as though he's speaking, even if he does often take a conversational tone.
-The bit about it being everyone else's fault is something we often deride PB for, but contravenes earlier statements made by PB.
-"Not a year sooner" really begins to stretch credulity, as Kevin would be more likely to promise it tomorrow than admit it will be next decade
-"Kevin's" profile picture depicts him holding RRT product. While it's probably the biggest cash infusion for the company, it's quite obvious -it's not a product that Kevin would be so strongly attached to nor does it have ads for PB and future products on the public page.

Final nail in the coffin for me on believing this post on its face is the complete lack of (c) and (tm) throughout. Plus as we all know Facebook is nearly impossible to set up, especially in the PB offices.

So that goes into the "needs citation" column for me before I'd panic too much. It could be Kevin, because he's shown a certain amount of deranged behavior in the past, but a lot of little details are off. While Kevin has trolled RRT backers for close to a year, this seems like a different one.

Just a few things on this, for those who are filing complaints, and I'll point out I'm not, I'd include this as it can be construed as a threat to deter people from complaining. It should also be reported to Kickstarter they are doing so.
If this is not actually Palladium posting that, it's up to them to announce it and take action.

At a glance, it seems the comment from "Kevin" has been deleted.

In other news, PB Newsletter comments about RRT are up over 60 pages on Google Docs, and I've only skimmed through 2012, 2013, and the first few of 2014.

Ugh, so much bullgak to trudge through.

Did the troll account that posted the stuff above about legal recourse (whether troll fake or actual Kevin S. account trolling) of not delivering to angry customers get their comments deleted? Or did they leave it up? It's not really an indicator either way if deleted as stupid things said by actual public people like celebrities and politicians are posted/removed all the time as are comments by fake accounts trying to troll but I figured I'd ask. If it were left up though, that might mean he signed up for a personal account and accidentally used it to post (instead of the corporate account).

I'm not seeing it on their FB page comments, so whether it was deleted by PB or by the 'Kevin', it at least appears to be gone.

It's possible it had very locked down privacy permissions, but when I glanced at it, it seemed to have been created in 2016, if not literally hours or days prior (it had naught but a profile pic and 'created in 2016' note.

Ahhh, there it is.

Just asked PB to refund my money one more time. If I don't hear from them I'm actually going to file with the FTC specifically about the backerkit items I pre-ordered since those were separate product from the Kickstarter project. Maybe the agency would see that as an easier to handle item than the muddy waters that are a Kickstarter project.

After this I'm just going to sit back and wait. PB isn't going to make it right and no amount of nagging them will do a damned thing beyond raising my blood pressure. Kickstarter isn't stepping up to help either since they got their money and no one is threatening actual legal action. Kevin has my money hostage and I can't do a thing about it. The lies, lack of solid factual info, and the sliding completion dates have just worn me out. I've filed, what else can I possibly do?

Has anyone considered small claims court?
Offer to return unopened boxes for full refund.