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 Stormonu wrote:
Oh, look - a picture of PB's warehouse in the background!

Yeah, kinda funny - we get no updates and people talk and talk - we get a quasi-update with a sketchy timeframe when they actually got the pics, and everyone stops talking.

Course, I think we've about said all we can say without repeating ourselves anymore. We've even run out of stuff to mock PB for....

It's not just about repeating ourselves. It's that PB also seem to have realized that if they don't feed the flames, they can let apathy take hold. Because that's what it appears to be. The recent spate of bannings on PB's Facebook, and the usual intolerance of dissent on the Forums hasn't lead to more polite discourse, it's lead to an absence of. Traffic in both places is almost at a standstill.

By heavily restricting their posting to the Kickstarter, they get the week or so of hostility, followed by a week or so of the usual suspects, and then general apathy. There's been less than 50 posts on Kickstarter Comments in the last week. It used to be at least 2-3 times that. I think if they didn't fear having to defend themselves in court (should it ever come to that), they'd abandon posting at all. Instead, cutting it to once every six weeks or so, they get two weeks of noise, and then relative quiet. Couple that with the PBWU cutting mentions of Wave 2 to almost nothing. without providing new and interesting things for people to curse them out over, things do get repetitive.

If they can get past Adepticon in two weeks (threading the needle on the SDF model will be difficult, but not impossible), and then GenCon in just over 4 months, without stepping on their own dicks (I don't discount that possibility), then I think apathy will take hold, and short of a directed legal action, the project will slide into oblivion. And that'll make me sad, both for the backers with money still tied up in this, and personally, as this has been a most entertaining ride. Don't take away my favorite dumpster fire!

PB has literally proven that they couldn't meet a deadline even if someone else did all the work for them (Hi, Mike!). The SDF-1 at Adepticon isn't going to happen. *Maybe* Gencon if they remember to pay the sculptor for his work.

 Stormonu wrote:
PB has literally proven that they couldn't meet a deadline even if someone else did all the work for them (Hi, Mike!). The SDF-1 at Adepticon isn't going to happen. *Maybe* Gencon if they remember to pay the sculptor for his work.

Sculptor? Pay? I think you've got the wrong project.

I think that is what I am afraid of is the apathy.

My only other hope is if PB runs into another of those low on funds moments, there will be no audience to appeal to. Which would still beg the question of where it all went.

Sounding like some other outspoken individual, I have moved on to getting the missing miniatures together through other means, so now my only motivation is not letting PB get my "extra" $110 scot free.

Well, maybe the other backers have the right idea.
The only way to greet a PB announcement of little value is silence.

For me at least I would not say my apathy is against RRT, more against PB. I've moved on and an happily working on something I consider greater and superior.....Nodal Wars.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1642366472704877/

 Talizvar wrote:

Yup, we will get that update aaaannnyyyyyy dayyyyy nowwww.

No Stormonu, that's not PB's warehouse. That's Kev's house. You can tell by the large collection of pressurised gas containers in the yard - his daily intake of Unicorn Fart!

And the PBWN-U has had nothing of value to us for ages. I don't take grotty pictures of things that 'could' be the first stage to getting a silicone mould made as something of value. Given the competence of the picture, and the lack of other evidence, it could have been taken weeks (Months) BEFORE the campaign finished (Launched) and here they are now showing it to us as something new and shiny.

Yes, I have said that they should show, not tell - and that I didn't need them to show me everything they were working on, one thing would do. I thought I had idiot-proofed my requests, only to find that PB are much more inventive idiots than I had given them credit for. More idiot me.

So I would like to bet with Kevin - if his state allows gambling, of course. Don't want to get the poor chap into trouble, do I - to show us a single picture of current progress on any of the wave 2 models, taken next to that days paper, with the date of the paper being less than 5 working days old at the time it is posted either here, the KS comments, or in the PBWU. If he - or his staff - post such a verifiable picture within the next 14 days, I will send him a duplicate amount of money as he got in my pledge as soon as I receive the remainder of my pledge to apologise for doubting them. If he doesn't, I will add my voice to the BBB, International MAG, and small claims here in the UK.

Latest PBWU, and it actually has some detail.

UPDATE: Robotech® RPG Tactics™
In development. Things are brewing on this front on several different levels. Oh, and please note that we’ll have the SDF-1, and hopefully all three modes of the YF-4 and the Armored Valkyrie on display at AdeptiCon. And, of course, we’ll share them online too. The couple of announcements we had secretly hoped to make there will have to wait, as details are yet to be finalized.

I mean, it's just a promise at this point, and until we see differently, I'll hold out on giving them their due. But it's a fairly specific promise, and that's something at least. Because if it's not ready for Adepticon (and they do say "hopefully"), there should be no reason that it's not released soon after.

Of course, that's assuming they can stick to any kind of schedule. We're approaching the halfway point on the list of items that are due out in the first 6 months, that has one entry that's now shipping. Original dates from the Jan 15th PBWU, the highlighted dates from the latest Mar 17th one, otherwise no change between schedules.

The Rifter® #73 – Winter issue – In final production right now. Ships early February. (Shipping now)
Rifts®, The Coalition States: Heroes of Humanity™ Sourcebook– in final production right now. Ships end of February. (Ships in March) *
Rifts® The Disavowed™ Sourcebook – in production right now. Ships March, 2016. (Spring, 2016)
Rifts® Secrets of the Atlanteans™ Sourcebook by Carl Gleba – Spring, 2016.
Rifts® Haunted Tech™ by Kevin Siembieda sourcebook – Spring or Summer.
The Rifter® #74 – Spring issue – Ships April or May.
Garden of the Gods™, a Palladium Fantasy RPG® Sourcebook by Kevin Siembieda – Spring.
Lopan™, a Palladium Fantasy RPG® Adventure Sourcebook – Spring or Summer.
Dead Reign® Sourcebook: Hell Followed™ – Spring or Summer.
Chaos Earth® First Responders (more than you may imagine) – Summer.
The Rifter® #75 – Summer issue.

That's a lot of stuff that they've got to do in the next hundred days or so. And with regards Heroes of Humanity, "Need to get back to it. Rifts® Heroes of Humanity gets closer to completion every day", which makes a March shipping unlikely, if it's not ready yet.

The final issue that is glaring by ommission (at least to me), is the removal of requests for someone to run an RRT event for GenCon, without comment. The final date for regular event submissions was this past Monday. This was the date whereby it'd be included when Event Registration opens up in May, or would be considered for the program guide. That they're not saying they're having an event, leads to a reasonable assumption that they won't. Which would mean that the last official event for RRT was May 15-17, 2015 (Palladium Open House), despite several suitable conventions attended in that timeframe.

And is there a kind soul on this thread that would be going to Adepticon anyway that could maybe sneak the rest of us a decent, non 'Grainypic(TM)' of those 5-8 models being on display?

A single shot of the lot of them would be nice, but extra credit will be awarded for clear (Reasonably) close shots of the SDF-1 and YF-4 models.

So their promise is to have a sample of the models ready for the show?
I have been living on Shapeways lately, do they have any idea how easy it would be to forward the model to one of the on-hand artists to optimize for printing and get any of them printed out in a day?
It IS something, but yeah: I can never be happy until they are making them in production.

After much digging and cajoling, I will see if I win the race of getting the models in my hands before PB gets anything out... place your bets?
It has been a long time since I had been playing with any type of CAD modeling never mind 3D so designing my own is not an option at the moment.
I have my eyes on some stuff now so IF I manage to not overspend at a gaming convention this weekend, I will see if I can get some Robotech minis sent to me.
Getting 1:285 scale is harder than I thought: you want 1:200 or 1:100 no problem but sheesh!

What is really setting me back is stumbling across all kinds of other cool stuff people are making... Space 1999 Eagles, I forgot how cool those looked.
Wrong genre of quote but still applicable "Stay on target!".

We have already seen 3d prints of renders. If they bring new 3d prints, that doesn't tell us anything about how close they are to production.

It does mean they are spending time and money that should be going to producing these things.

 Talizvar wrote:
So their promise is to have a sample of the models ready for the show?
I have been living on Shapeways lately, do they have any idea how easy it would be to forward the model to one of the on-hand artists to optimize for printing and get any of them printed out in a day?

...is it free?

Merijeek wrote:

 Talizvar wrote:
So their promise is to have a sample of the models ready for the show?
I have been living on Shapeways lately, do they have any idea how easy it would be to forward the model to one of the on-hand artists to optimize for printing and get any of them printed out in a day?

...is it free?

Oh, I laughed, possibly snorted even.
Good one!

Maybe a fan-friend can ask to get one made and loan it to them for their use.
The only problem is to get a copy of the 3D file from them would take effort resulting in a 6 month to year long wait.

Yeah, good point.
It might as well be the moon then.

Don't forget that it takes a lot of time for Wayne to build those prints, pry them apart and re-glue them so they have the requisite layers of glue built up in the seams. God forbid they might put a model up on display without featuring all the gaps. You wouldn't want that now would you?

Not even being a "fan-friend" I would insist I assemble them rather than one of their crew... no sense making it look worse than it needs to.

I could make a guide on how to make a model look horrible in a few easy steps. I have enough bad experiences in my past to claim to be an expert!

I am much better now... so my doctor says...

The saddest thing about this project, is that I had a friend ready to buy into it, he played a game with me, and enjoyed the rules, and felt that it was relatively balanced. Then he saw how late everything was, and that there was no progress, and washed his hands of it. PB could have had another buyer, who would have brought more people, but their lackadaisical manner of progress killed it for him, and them.

Do not forget the other cryptic part of this weeks PBWU, thery were going to make some sort of secret announcement at Adepticaon but cannot because it has not bee finialised.

Obvious question if it concerns RTT why is it not being shared with the KS backers, rather than with a few fan friends at the Con? Oh sorry, forgot, we do not deserve any updaytes as we are naughty people.

Secondly, it leads to speculation as to what PB might be up to

well did my first Phalanx and here is my review of it:

Painting: very simple paint scheme
Assembly: much easier then the Veritechs and maybe even better then the pods, still way too many pieces, but not so bad assembly wise.
Decals: hate, hate, hate, the little eye decals on the arms are a serious pain in the rear.

So...missiles were just randomly slapped in there, huh?

Merijeek wrote:
So...missiles were just randomly slapped in there, huh?

yeah not sure who did those missile alignments but they should be shot and quartered.

They don't look random, it's more like a mirror image. Some one got lazy with their CAD program. No big surprise on this project.

The source material isn't much better.

Merijeek wrote:
So...missiles were just randomly slapped in there, huh?

I wonder if it's assembly error. Seems like the missiles should be rotated inward by 20 degrees, and then everything would match with vertical symmetry both within each pod, and pod-to-pod.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

Merijeek wrote:
So...missiles were just randomly slapped in there, huh?

I wonder if it's assembly error. Seems like the missiles should be rotated inward by 20 degrees, and then everything would match with vertical symmetry both within each pod, and pod-to-pod.

actually they brought this up before and mentioned that one extra missile was added and instead of redesigning it, PB had the factory remove one missile from the design.

Sorry, that was mostly a joke. I remember what happened with the missile, and I still find it funny that HG prefers an accurate missile count to them not looking like gak.

Merijeek wrote:
Sorry, that was mostly a joke. I remember what happened with the missile, and I still find it funny that HG prefers an accurate missile count to them not looking like gak.

Except that there's only 11 missiles per pod on the model of the Phalanx, but there's quite distinctly 14 per pod in the artwork. So not only did they make them tiny in comparison, look aesthetically dissimilar, and not space them evenly, leaving an obvious blank spot to remain "canon", they also started from a place that is so obviously wrong. Even if you discount the smaller missiles, that still means the drum on the left (right from the pilot's perspective) still has 12, and that means there's a variable number.

Palladium Books. We don't just make a mistake one way. We make mistakes in as many different ways as we can manage.

If I remember correctly on missile fire from the Toon series......it was a blooming spread of like a 100 missiles going in all direction before locking on some poor Pod butt and hitting all at once.

Morgan Vening wrote:

Merijeek wrote:
Sorry, that was mostly a joke. I remember what happened with the missile, and I still find it funny that HG prefers an accurate missile count to them not looking like gak.

Except that there's only 11 missiles per pod on the model of the Phalanx, but there's quite distinctly 14 per pod in the artwork. So not only did they make them tiny in comparison, look aesthetically dissimilar, and not space them evenly, leaving an obvious blank spot to remain "canon", they also started from a place that is so obviously wrong. Even if you discount the smaller missiles, that still means the drum on the left (right from the pilot's perspective) still has 12, and that means there's a variable number.

Palladium Books. We don't just make a mistake one way. We make mistakes in as many different ways as we can manage.

Not exactly. PB decided that they had to convert directly from the RPG. The RPG listed the Phalanx as having 44 missiles total. So we got 44. The missile launchers on the minis were mistakenly done with 12. Someone pointed it out. They removed one and with typical aplomb did not rearrange the missiles. Shoot, the VF almost got stuck with 8 missiles per wing because of the text being screwed up in the second edition and saying 2 Long Range missiles per hard point and not one on each outer hardpoint and 2 on the inner one. Only with arguing and fighting with them was that changed. Mostly because the darn minis were made with 6 and not 8!

Thanks for pointing that out mike, now I have to get through my entire working day with my mind completely boggled at Palladiums never ending stupidity.

"We made a mistake many years ago, and feth us all if we're not taking it to the grave!"

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
"We made a mistake many years ago, and feth us all if we're not taking it to the grave!"

That seems to work on so many levels.
Is that a comment on PB or on us backers?
Or the anime artist with the IP holders like HG and PB doubling down on the error?