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 Cypher-xv wrote:
I don't think a relaunch this year would work without wave two. If Kevy thinks using what little KS funds are left to make more limited metal miniatures will save rrt, then he's wrong and is really out of touch. If he does try this year it'll be a wonk, wonk event. No one will care.

Well, he'd need to be very careful IMO in using Kickstarter funds for a relaunch. Because spending money on stuff that is not for the completion of the Kickstarter project, but in support of the retail aspect of the product, would be bordering on misuse of funds. Unless there's some compelling argument to the contrary, this could be problematic.

There is absolutely no point to "relaunching" without wave 2. Nobody is going to buy into a system that has so much left unfulfilled from KS.

It wouldn't matter what he used the funds on, Kickstarter don't care.

Joyboozer wrote:
It wouldn't matter what he used the funds on, Kickstarter don't care.

That does seem to be the case. But they're not the only authority on the matter. And while it doesn't seem like those other agencies seem to give a rat's posterior at this point, that might not always be the case.

I am curious if there'll be a tipping point for Kickstarter though. While they may feel that they need to protect creators to keep the creators coming in/back, it's hard to regain confidence from the public when you lose it. I know more than a few people who have soured off Kickstarter (and to a lesser extent, crowdsourcing in general) because they feel they're not protected. While I still back projects, I've noticed that both the money I spend on a project is significantly less, as is the frequency, and/or it's for established product expanding it's lines (in on Kingdom Builder and Xenoshyft, for example). Sure, KS has the market share cornered at the moment, but complacency at the top is as sure a killer as a serious competitor.

Gamers tend to respond and get excited by product "momentum".
This product line seems to be gathering moss, nothing new to sell at a 'con gets noticed.
I see no "new" fan-base being generated here... or at least nothing worth noting.

Let us assume this is the typical PB project where it WILL get done... just it may take a decade.
It is then a race of rabid fans finding other ways to get their models and for the more casual fan base to lose interest.
Somewhere in the middle are those who give up out of frustration or are wrestling with the: "they have my gosh-darn money!".

We have electronic calendars, set the egg-timer for one year at a time on repeat and rage each time then (week before Gencon seems about right).
This is my temptation because the only punishment Kevin understands is silence or a legal battle: silence is "cheaper".

I am thinking restricting to posting the legal links and the Forar timers is all the KS pages need.
I would check-in here on occasion because you are fun folk.

 Talizvar wrote:
Gamers tend to respond and get excited by product "momentum".
This product line seems to be gathering moss,

"Gathering moss?" That would suggest something unintended is growing from the dead husk.

More like mummifying in place.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 Talizvar wrote:
Gamers tend to respond and get excited by product "momentum".
This product line seems to be gathering moss,

"Gathering moss?" That would suggest something unintended is growing from the dead husk.
More like mummifying in place.

Valid correction.
Let us not forget nothing else is allowed to "grow" due to a useless IP holder preventing Macross ever getting outside of Japan.
Or doing anything with it.
Not looking forward to Anime North, I feel like I need to give Kevin a piece of my mind... he needs it.

 Talizvar wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 Talizvar wrote:
Gamers tend to respond and get excited by product "momentum".
This product line seems to be gathering moss,

"Gathering moss?" That would suggest something unintended is growing from the dead husk.
More like mummifying in place.

Valid correction.
Let us not forget nothing else is allowed to "grow" due to a useless IP holder preventing Macross ever getting outside of Japan.
Or doing anything with it.
Not looking forward to Anime North, I feel like I need to give Kevin a piece of my mind... he needs it.

Kevin needs somebody's mind, he's smoked out of his own - but we'd hate to see you waste it.

So, it looks like PB have crapped the bed on timing again.

Adepticon finished a week ago, and no KS Update. And the PBWU is very light on details. "Oh, but everyone is sick!" would be the go to excuse. Except firstly, someone from PB should have put this up early in the week before everyone got sick. And secondly, from the PBWU, "Everyone has been trying to work through it. I have been writing and juggling all kinds of work, Chuck has been continuing to draw, Wayne and Alex are editing away...". So it's not like they're all been bedridden and are not working. And it's not like a real Update would be that difficult. The last one was 10 pictures and 148 words (or almost half the number of words Kevin said about everyone being sick).

On RRT, it's the same usual pablum. That things are percolating, and there's plenty of stuff happening on the business end. They didn't include their standard "But we can't tell you because it's super secret and you'll just have to take our word for it!", but that doesn't stop Kevin from failing to give anything resembling specifics.

In other news, the PBWU also finally removed the timeframe on it's "Schedule of 2016 Releases for the First 6 Months". Because with January 22nd's Update listing 8 non-Rifter products to be completed before mid-year, and them allegedly being on track to finish two of them, it looked kind of silly. And I wouldn't count Palladium out there either. Heroes of Humanity, back in that Jan 22 Update was going to ship in February, so, about 5 weeks from the time of Kevin writing it. It's now second week of April, and we get "April release (Tentative. It might slip into the first week or two of May). In final production.". So, about 5 weeks from the time of Kevin writing it. I think it's entirely likely they'll go 1 for 8, and while less likely, I don't consider it impossible for them to go 0 for 8, and get the coveted goose egg. Cause we all know how KevCo love their geese.

But, what else can we expect from someone who wrote

I have two New Year resolutions: The first is to get myself back into the habit of posting Murmurs from the Megaverse® on a much more regular basis, like a minimum of 2 or 3 a week to keep you guys informed on some of the things going on behind the scenes, our thoughts, plans and murmurings. The other is to get a truck load of product out this year. From Rifts® and Robotech® to Palladium Fantasy® and Splicers®, and more.

Glad to see his commitment to the latter, is as strong as his commitment to the former. For the record, he did two the first week, one the second week, and one more in the next six weeks.

Seriously, I don't know why he bothers with timeframes, schedules or promises. Does he truly believe what he says? Or is he intentionally trying to pull one over on his fanbase? After years, if not decades, of this repetition, I honestly don't know which one is sadder.

Finally, for those people who still give a rat's posterior, apparently the Savage Rifts Kickstarter goes live Tuesday. Or at least the announcement of when it'll go live. Or something. So, what was due around Christmas 2015 from it's initial announcement on April 2015 (9 months!) is still several months at least, away.

Morgan Vening wrote:
Finally, for those people who still give a rat's posterior, apparently the Savage Rifts Kickstarter goes live Tuesday. Or at least the announcement of when it'll go live. Or something. So, what was due around Christmas 2015 from it's initial announcement on April 2015 (9 months!) is still several months at least, away.

"I'll buy that for a dollar"
Literally.
Should we be posting the legal links and the "Forar's Outrageous Clock of Doom" (FOCD for short)?
But I am sure PB will not be involved much... ( ).
It IS for RPG's so PB will want to see this through right? right?
Who am I kidding?
This isn't even funny anymore.

I can only imagine the Savage Rifts comment section will be a thing to behold.

Note: I am NOT advocating people joining for a buck just to gak up their comments. I have nothing against Pinnacle, and despite my ongoing ire at PB I have fond memories of the Rifts setting and the adventures my friends and I had, even if we needed to shore up the rules across page after page of errata.

But this long with this many geeks and this much frustration? I can only imagine a dumpster fire brewing. Even if PB have little to say or do with the campaign or product aside from providing the source material, after watching Robotech Academy crash and burn, I can only imagine there'll be some who decide that getting their voice heard at any cost is worth 'contributing' to the backer and funding count (even if they pull both by the end).

Again, I'm seriously not advocating anything, but one would have to be blind to overlook the potential gakstorm that could easily crop up here. You don't alienate potentially thousands of fans and not see blowback here and there. Doubly and triply so given that they don't seem to have any interest in providing substantial information on PB's own KS, and have undergone an effort to cleanse their FB page of the unbelievers.

Basically I foresee potential for Pinnacle to get caught in the crossfire, despite not doing anything wrong themselves.

On the other hand, I had to laugh the other day. I backed the "Thunderbirds 1965" KS to produce the first completely new episode of "Thunderbirds" since the original series was shot.

Stretch goals pushed it up to all 3 episodes based on the old vinyl records. Original delivery date was supposed to be in time for last Christmas and there are already backers whining that it's taken too long and nothing is going to be delivered.

I mean, come on, do they really think PB are the ones behind that too? or that they can practically triple the workload and still get it done in the same timeframe?

I know it's kind of a pickle and eggs comparison, but we must be looking at the two ends of the spectrum here. PB still has people defending them after such a long wait - especially during the "Crisis of Silence" TM that us backers went through until recently, and TB1965 have people crying foul after 3 months despite having ensured that the work was much more than originally budgeted for in the delivery date.

I think I need to go have a lie down. My head hurts from chasing the logic from what is ostensibly the same group of people - KS backers.

Pinnacle is actually a very cool company with a long and proven record, and I wish them the best for Savage Rifts.

That said, I can't in good conscience give them money for that project, because I know that a part will go to the Kevster.

 Albertorius wrote:
Pinnacle is actually a very cool company with a long and proven record, and I wish them the best for Savage Rifts.

That said, I can't in good conscience give them money for that project, because I know that a part will go to the Kevster.

problem is it doesn't matter if Pinnacle is ok or not, the factor is Kevin, if he has approval rights and so on then this whole mess could get dragged on for years, (Pinnacle working on page 2 of book wants to change word, sends to Kevin for approval, 8 weeks later Kevin tells them soon and he will be doing some editing of it.)

now those familiar with how Kevin and Palladium work tell me this will not happen with a straight face.

I don't believe it will.

More like Pinnacle writes book in couple of months, sends to Kev for approval, Kev says he has a couple of minor corrections before publication, Kev spends 3 years re-writing entire project at a rate of one word each day, then puts out book with himself as only credited author.

Tell me I'm wrong!

The comments in Savage Rifts will be... *puts on sunglasses* ... Savage.

 Conrad Turner wrote:
I don't believe it will.

More like Pinnacle writes book in couple of months, sends to Kev for approval, Kev says he has a couple of minor corrections before publication, Kev spends 3 years re-writing entire project at a rate of one word each day, then puts out book with himself as only credited author.

Tell me I'm wrong!

You're wrong; you have overlooked the one day a year he will put into working on the RTT KS, which will stretch it out edits on SR for an additional two years.

Actually, if anything RTT will probably shorten the SR one as it gives them an excuse to ignore producing actual work for this project more regularly.

 Conrad Turner wrote:
I don't believe it will.

More like Pinnacle writes book in couple of months, sends to Kev for approval, Kev says he has a couple of minor corrections before publication, Kev spends 3 years re-writing entire project at a rate of one word each day, then puts out book with himself as only credited author.

Tell me I'm wrong!

also another option except Pinnacle is not a writer and probably has lawyers too.

 Talizvar wrote:

Morgan Vening wrote:
Finally, for those people who still give a rat's posterior, apparently the Savage Rifts Kickstarter goes live Tuesday.

Should we be posting the legal links and the "Forar's Outrageous Clock of Doom" (FOCD for short)?

Absolutely not.

We should be singing their praises to the heavens, so that Rifts pulls in the maximum revenue possible.

Then, once it finishes, we should make a fethton of legal noise to compel Palladium to complete Robotech Wave 2.

Then Palladium can take the Rifts money to finish Robotech, just like the took Robotech money to finish Rifts.

If you want your gak, help Palladium kick that can down the road.
____

ETA - I am seriously thinking the best strategy for a Robotech backer is to toss a buck in and White Knight the feth out of things to drown out any negative comments as quickly and loudly as possible. I may well do this to protect my Robotech "investment"

I'd actually buy Savage Worlds Rifts if it came out, but the problem is we know it won't because of Kevin's laziness (I'd be willing to bet the Pinnacle crew's been sitting on a finished manuscript since August, waiting for Kev to give it the OK to go, and sadly if he ever does look, he'll rewrite into crap).

The only way it will ever get published is if Pinnacle pulls a "Radar" from M*A*S*H, with big Kev being Col. Blake being handed the paperwork to sign...

I'm actually interested in Savage Worlds Rifts and I hope their KS goes well, but I'm guessing the comments section is going to be brutal.

Finally got around to painting my Zents. I'm hoping to finish some RDF within the next few weeks and actually get a small game in.

Consolidating Files for Nodal Wars for those interested and planning on doing some videos when I can.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B0VSNzmthd1vVlVfU3BadVd2MVk

Does anyone believe that if Kevin became flush with cash that we'd see any movement on RRT?
We'd see a lot of rpg books get published.

 n815e wrote:
Does anyone believe that if Kevin became flush with cash that we'd see any movement on RRT?
We'd see a lot of rpg books get published.

Probably. I do believe he'd be a much juicier target for suing, though. As it is now, what would be the point?

Kevin is not going to waste time and money on something that will not make him money if he gets anything it will going into his RPG books where he is at least making a few cents.

 n815e wrote:
Does anyone believe that if Kevin became flush with cash that we'd see any movement on RRT?
We'd see a lot of rpg books get published.

That's a given. Kevin's love is RPG, so that's natural.

However, he's well aware of heckling so he'd at least put a token to it.

Let's put it this way. Robotech isn't a love for them; it's a source of money that uses existing RPG material and little extra effort from PB. Rifts is where the money is really coming in from, amongst their RPG lines.

The RRT game is first, unfamiliar territory and second, requires much more effort than what PB usually spends on community engagement for a product line, even Rifts. If you think about it, every successful miniatures game plays a constant engagement game with its community, either via direct interactions, or constant product releases. PB is neither inclined or set up to do this.

EDIT: Oh incidentally, Hasegawa is putting out a 1/4000 movie SDF-1.

https://www.hlj.com/product/hsgmc06

The details, for example...

Wow, that is gorgeous. I love the detailing.

 Lynx7725 wrote:
EDIT: Oh incidentally, Hasegawa is putting out a 1/4000 movie SDF-1.

https://www.hlj.com/product/hsgmc06

The details, for example...

Spoiler:

How tall would that end up being at 1/4000?

From what I see, it is more than 2x as nice to look at.

The non transformed sdf-1 is 308.5mm or a little over 1'