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 Forar wrote:
I can only imagine the Savage Rifts comment section will be a thing to behold.

Note: I am NOT advocating people joining for a buck just to gak up their comments..

Eh, just link this and the previous PB thread to wherever's appropriate, and let the backers make their own conclusion. Some will think that Palladium won't be an issue, some will.

Has Pinnacle worked on a project with PB before? Some licensors are fine to work with (eg. Ghostbusters), some aren't (eg. AvP).

You can always wait for retail.

Oh, there's no fething way I'm interested in backing them substantially. I don't even find time for RPGs I actively like, let alone backing for more of them.

It was purely commentary on the likelihood of the comments being a dumpster fire from irate RRT backers, nothing to do with lamenting a potential participation level.

Brother Weasel wrote:
The non transformed sdf-1 is 308.5mm or a little over 1'

Well, 1210m/ 4000 = 0.3025m = 30.25 cm... so yeah, that works out to be about a foot.

Do bear in mind this is a plastic kit, so putting it together would/ should be more complex than PB's offering -- I think. Well worth the effort though.

I was just pulling the size off thier information...

Yea it's more comp,ex, quite a bit bigger as well, 10000% better looking... If I want an sdf-1 is be getting that ine

At this point maybe Palladium should consider giving away free starters at conventions as a loss-leader (its a sunk cost anyway and at this point keeping copies of the game warehoused is probably going to cost them more than they will make in profits) or with the purchase of $x of expansion product. Might help inject some new blood into the game and if done properly with an OP effort it could generate enough interest and sales in the game that they could actually raise the money (as well as the motivation) toget out wave 2.

Well, they had a 30% off coupon at Gencon 2015, the first Gencon that the product was available, and have had a few fairly steep discounts to date on their store (though shipping just kills any savings, and CSI has had similar prices with much more reasonable shipping, at least within the US).

Which isn't to disagree with you, more to say that I wouldn't be shocked if this year saw a 40% or 50% sale.

Speaking as someone who works conventions 2-3 times a year, if you pack up a truck full of product and lug it to a convention center within the same city, you really want to sell out as much as possible so there's less to repack and lug home, so I can only imagine that this applies by an order of magnitude more when crossing states with that stuff on a multi-hour journey.

And yes before someone in the US points it out, Michigan to Indianapolis isn't that far a drive (Google Maps claims around 4 hours), that's still a decent hike to lug a pallet or three of gak to have most of it not sell.

Of course we drove from Toronto, and that 8-9 hours (with food stops and bathroom breaks) was a bit more of an adventure. Also, probably part of the reason I'm thinking of flying if I can attend next year.

 Lynx7725 wrote:

Brother Weasel wrote:
The non transformed sdf-1 is 308.5mm or a little over 1'

Well, 1210m/ 4000 = 0.3025m = 30.25 cm... so yeah, that works out to be about a foot.

Do bear in mind this is a plastic kit, so putting it together would/ should be more complex than PB's offering -- I think. Well worth the effort though.

In this case you know what you're getting into, though ^_^


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Brother Weasel wrote:
I was just pulling the size off thier information...

Yea it's more comp,ex, quite a bit bigger as well, 10000% better looking... If I want an sdf-1 is be getting that ine

I already wanted the non-transformed one... having both makes it difficult to resist. And the Movie version has always been my favorite.

 Albertorius wrote:

 Lynx7725 wrote:

Brother Weasel wrote:
The non transformed sdf-1 is 308.5mm or a little over 1'

Well, 1210m/ 4000 = 0.3025m = 30.25 cm... so yeah, that works out to be about a foot.

Do bear in mind this is a plastic kit, so putting it together would/ should be more complex than PB's offering -- I think. Well worth the effort though.

In this case you know what you're getting into, though ^_^


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Brother Weasel wrote:
I was just pulling the size off thier information...

Yea it's more comp,ex, quite a bit bigger as well, 10000% better looking... If I want an sdf-1 is be getting that ine

I already wanted the non-transformed one... having both makes it difficult to resist. And the Movie version has always been my favorite.

Yea, I'm looking at several of the macross models,must because I've been looking to do some models over the smaller 28-35 mm minis I usualy do

Any word about Savage over the last day or 2?

Last I've heard, the Kickstarter will begin on April 26th.

This situation makes me sad. I'm mad at PB for this kickstarter, but I really like Pinnacle and SW. I think a SW Rifts would be really great (and far more playable than Kevin's rules), but I'm worried PB will turn it into a clusterfeth whose delivery is dragged out for years.

On the one hand, I'd like to encourage Pinnacle to make a great product. On the other, I want to see PB punished for their lousy treatment of this KS and their overall poor business sense. PB doesn't deserve any more money until they finish this fiasco - and hopefully go out of business doing so.

In the end, I guess I'll just have to watch this from the sidelines, and if it ever actually hits retail, grab a cheap copy - *maybe*. I'm not going to do a $1 on the KS to put in my 2 cents; I'm sure there will be plenty others frothing and ready to do just that, like what happened on the Robotech Academy KS.

But if anybody asks, I'm going to warn them not to invest with anything involving Palladium Books.

Oddly, I think the Savage Worlds system would work well for Rifts and Kevin's "style" of gaming: he does not let his own rules get in the way of HIS story.
I think Kevin will not care one bit of how the rules are applied.
BUT you can guess Pinnacle will not have any say on the layout or what "fluff" is decided on to go into the pared-down books.
Yep, this could take years folks!
You know I am so negative I like it when I am wrong.

Their original notification didn't mention Kickstarter.

I wonder if that was always the plan, or if it changed?

Adding to that, there's this gem: https://www.peginc.com/olympus-inc-relaunches-indiegogo/.

I don't follow PEG, but damn, that kind of justification looks familiar. Less "poor victimized us", but just as much "totally not our fault, and it's actually a blessing in disguise!".

That Olympus Inc redo is peculiar. Howver, I have a lot more trust in PEG than PB, haven't been disappointed by the former yet.

I find myself wondering why SW Rifts is going the KS route. I'm also curious what caused it to miss the Christmas deadline - whether it was a Pinnacle or PB thing, and if the date might have slipped because they changed to set up a KS release.

 Stormonu wrote:
That Olympus Inc redo is peculiar. Howver, I have a lot more trust in PEG than PB, haven't been disappointed by the former yet.
I find myself wondering why SW Rifts is going the KS route. I'm also curious what caused it to miss the Christmas deadline - whether it was a Pinnacle or PB thing, and if the date might have slipped because they changed to set up a KS release.

I will bear your recommendation in mind.
I am beginning to associate RPG publishers with used car salesmen and politicians.

New Kickstarter Update.

Lots of pics. They look nice. But they're 3D prints, and I'll hold out any enthusiasm until I see something that shows progress (as these could easily have been untouched since ND handed them over early last year/late the year before.

How they show up on sprue, is the real test. And until they can show that, I'm not holding my breath waiting.

And that it's two weeks after the fact, isn't particularly great, but "better than nothing" seems to be a Palladium credo.

But to reiterate, I think they look pretty cool, even if the poop swoop still looks ridiculous.

They're finally getting quotes for Wave 2. :rolleyes:

Also, the comments do not disappoint.

Well, I have to admit the 3D prints look good, but I'm not holding my breath we'll ever see any progress *beyond* 3D prints of all the models. At best, if they somehow deliver, it'll be somewhere around Gencon 2017?

Hopefully, they've thought ahead about having different heads for the Armored VT and an option for closed shoulder missile pods.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
They're finally getting quotes for Wave 2. :rolleyes:

Also, the comments do not disappoint.

My favorite;

Choke on a dick you lying scum

Wahahahahahaha

 Stormonu wrote:
Well, I have to admit the 3D prints look good, but I'm not holding my breath we'll ever see any progress *beyond* 3D prints of all the models. At best, if they somehow deliver, it'll be somewhere around Gencon 2017?

Hopefully, they've thought ahead about having different heads for the Armored VT and an option for closed shoulder missile pods.

Yeah, an option would be nice. Rather than the compulsory "You can have them open or closed, but the second one has to be the other type.".

Given how many pieces the Spartan was, that noone thought "Hey, if we articulate* the missile doors, people will be able to do just the variation they want", is the kind of mindset that is behind the reason why this project is in the shape it's in.
* And if they didn't want to articulate it, ie have a fully varied hinge mechanism, they could have at least had two sets of doors that slotted in, one closed, one open. It doesn't take a rocket surgeon to see easy options that increase modelling value.

evilsmurf wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
They're finally getting quotes for Wave 2. :rolleyes:

Also, the comments do not disappoint.

My favorite;

Choke on a dick you lying scum

Wahahahahahaha

Even better is this Kickstarter's Username.

He was so devastated by PB's bungling that he never backed another project...

If Kevin does choke on a dick, do we still get our stuff?

 Alpharius wrote:

evilsmurf wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
They're finally getting quotes for Wave 2. :rolleyes:

Also, the comments do not disappoint.

My favorite;

Choke on a dick you lying scum

Wahahahahahaha

Even better is this Kickstarter's Username.

He was so devastated by PB's bungling that he never backed another project...

Holy cow, 3,000 comments on Robotech...

Morgan Vening wrote:

 Stormonu wrote:
Well, I have to admit the 3D prints look good, but I'm not holding my breath we'll ever see any progress *beyond* 3D prints of all the models. At best, if they somehow deliver, it'll be somewhere around Gencon 2017?

Hopefully, they've thought ahead about having different heads for the Armored VT and an option for closed shoulder missile pods.

Yeah, an option would be nice. Rather than the compulsory "You can have them open or closed, but the second one has to be the other type.".

Given how many pieces the Spartan was, that noone thought "Hey, if we articulate* the missile doors, people will be able to do just the variation they want", is the kind of mindset that is behind the reason why this project is in the shape it's in.
* And if they didn't want to articulate it, ie have a fully varied hinge mechanism, they could have at least had two sets of doors that slotted in, one closed, one open. It doesn't take a rocket surgeon to see easy options that increase modelling value.

And it doesn't take a brain scientist to work out you can put a circular recess in the sides and corresponding circles at the hinge points of the doors so people can glue them in at whatever angle they choose.

However, that goes against what people have been screaming about ever since they got their hands on the first models - reducing the parts count. PB heard, and they're doing their very best to do that.

On the other hand, it should be impossible to close those doors. Given how thick they are, if you close them, they'll crush the warheads of those missiles and blow your own arms off with the detonations.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:

evilsmurf wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
They're finally getting quotes for Wave 2. :rolleyes:

Also, the comments do not disappoint.

My favorite;

Choke on a dick you lying scum

Wahahahahahaha

Even better is this Kickstarter's Username.

He was so devastated by PB's bungling that he never backed another project...

Holy cow, 3,000 comments on Robotech...

Isn't that Rick? Lots of Dakka quotes in the comments at least so, Hi Person-Who-Is-Probably-Who-Forar-Says-Isn't-Rick!

No, if you look at their comments, they call out Rick by name. It's someone else... Cypher perhaps? Pretty sure it's another Dakka'ite, or at least someone I've seen on a variety of forums.

Rick is "There is no Wave 2 ! ! !", and he's over 6k comments for just this campaign.

Not to throw stones, I'm approaching 8k comments, and while I've been a chatty part of a number of campaigns, I'm probably in the 5-7k range myself.

More arguing with people over idiotic gak than I care to discuss.

Well, 3D prints just proves they have 3D models that can be printed.
We kinda need all the other stuff done too or we wait since PB would not pay for a 2nd,3rd or 4th shipment.

I wonder, they could just throw the 3d models on shapeways and say they are available to backers and "whoops sorry" we cannot make production dies...

There is just no knowing of what PB will spit out at some point or at what time they will do so.


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Hmmm, only some 275 comments on my end on Kickstarter.
I must be slipping.

Step it up Talizvar! You and Forar have to keep up Canada's rep online; a grave and solemn responsibility.

And yeah, "tooling quotes" is (not surprisingly) vague. Are these "order of magnitude" quotes wherein it's still prospective or do they actually have parts breakdown and the quotes are for the project directly?

Bets? Anyone?

In case any of you were waiting with bated breath for the latest PB updates, basically the latest email is a rehash of the photo update in KS. So no other info.

 Krinsath wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:

evilsmurf wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
They're finally getting quotes for Wave 2. :rolleyes:

Also, the comments do not disappoint.

My favorite;

Choke on a dick you lying scum

Wahahahahahaha

Even better is this Kickstarter's Username.

He was so devastated by PB's bungling that he never backed another project...

Holy cow, 3,000 comments on Robotech...

Isn't that Rick? Lots of Dakka quotes in the comments at least so, Hi Person-Who-Is-Probably-Who-Forar-Says-Isn't-Rick!

that isn't me, i'm the guy Forar said who is me, also i'm the guy who mentioned this isn't the first time or even first month or year PB has told us they are talking to the die cutters, so its amazing how many sheeples believe PB like what they said is new.