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 warboss wrote:
Didn't wayne promise that in mid 2015? I don't think he repeated that this year.

Oops - I guess I've been conditioning myself to writing 2016 so often I mistyped it. Yeah - I meant 2015.

SDCC? Robotech isn't a comic book.

I wonder if PB will attend Macross World Convention 2016.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
SDCC? Robotech isn't a comic book.

I wonder if PB will attend Macross World Convention 2016.

Yeah, I can see them going, heh.

I wish they would, and that I could be there.

I've not seen a lynching!

Asterios wrote:

I watched the whole video and other then that one part with that guy asking about the invid that was it, but a major explosive announcement was also made, when they asked the guy and audience if they would like to see more invid miniatures from other companies which makes one wonder if HG might be cutting off PB soon and opening up the market to other companies that can and will produce said product?

It seemed to me like a "hey kids do you like even more Robotech?" type question, which they clearly know is a yes coming from a room full of fanboys, much like do you want to see streaming Robotech, more Robotech toys, more Robotech flapjacks and cereal, etc. Sure, because they are fans everyone wants to see more, however how often does rallying a fan response at a con actually translate into new products? They've announced tons of different toy items only to drop them or produce some terrible piece of crap. The MPC toys are total junk and fall apart just sitting on a shelf yet people clamor for more at the panel discussions. I wouldn't read into panel events too heavily as it's usually all just a hyping effort.

Did someone say Robotech flapjacks? Let me get my maple syrup.

If PB have anything to do with them, I'd forget it. You'd be 3 months early, and it'll come in 50 different pieces, and taste of something that has been on the deck of a boat for 4 weeks sailing from Japan.

 Conrad Turner wrote:
If PB have anything to do with them, I'd forget it. You'd be 3 months early, and it'll come in 50 different pieces, and taste of something that has been on the deck of a boat for 4 weeks sailing from Japan.

3 months early?

Yes. n815e would be 3 months early and would have to wait it out. Then when they arrived, ........

Asterios wrote:

I dropped out of the RTU group because got tired of people posting anything that caught their fancy even though it was not even Robotech related by a long shot or at all.

No idea how it was before, but I have enjoyed mostly all the material that came up in the last months...

Oh, look, the update of the trimester to (they hope) avoid litigation!

New Update is up

They used 633 words, when 3 would have had the same effect. "Soon, we promise.".

I'm guessing they wanted to head off hostility at GenCon? Meh.

As I posted over at the Kicktarter page; I wrote to KS support either late Thursday or early Friday because it's been 3 months since there was an "official" update, right? Because I'm tired of platitudes from both Kickstarter and PB I ended my message with the quite courteous missive "If you plan on sending me a form letter detailing how I am important but you can't force a project creator to uphold their promise/s then I respectfully request you insert that form letter horizontally in your anal sphincter."

I have received no form letter. Makes me wonder who is sitting funny in the KS office this morning.

Just thought you guys would get a kick out of that, and now I go back to doing my best to ignore this waste of my money and time.

Morgan Vening wrote:
New Update is up

They used 633 words, when 3 would have had the same effect. "Soon, we promise.".

I'm guessing they wanted to head off hostility at GenCon? Meh.

We did learn some stuff from the update.

1. Given normal turnarounds for production and delivery, Wave 2 in 2016 is a diminishing possibility. And they look to be deferring decision until after GenCon, so more and more likely any production and delivery will hit the end of year delays. So, 2017 if at all.

2. They are shopping for a new manufacturer, that's not promising. At all. So, making the leap of faith that RRT would somehow relaunch, how are they going to keep two different set of production dies going? For wave 1 stuff, when they run out, can they just call up the old factory to order a new batch, or are they permanently out of production? I have this feeling they didn't even consider this question...

3. They suck. They really suck. Just having newer renders of the wave two stuff would count as an update. Instead, we get a 630 "Loren Ipsum".

 Lynx7725 wrote:

Morgan Vening wrote:
New Update is up

They used 633 words, when 3 would have had the same effect. "Soon, we promise.".

I'm guessing they wanted to head off hostility at GenCon? Meh.

We did learn some stuff from the update.

1. Given normal turnarounds for production and delivery, Wave 2 in 2016 is a diminishing possibility. And they look to be deferring decision until after GenCon, so more and more likely any production and delivery will hit the end of year delays. So, 2017 if at all.

2. They are shopping for a new manufacturer, that's not promising. At all. So, making the leap of faith that RRT would somehow relaunch, how are they going to keep two different set of production dies going? For wave 1 stuff, when they run out, can they just call up the old factory to order a new batch, or are they permanently out of production? I have this feeling they didn't even consider this question...

3. They suck. They really suck. Just having newer renders of the wave two stuff would count as an update. Instead, we get a 630 "Loren Ipsum".

1) Well, I figured that was a given, and has been since Adepticon, when we heard second hand that it wasn't going to. Couple that with no mention of "starting manufacturing soon" which I figure will be at least six months from the earliest they'll start. Because the P in PB stands for Procrastination (the B stands for the excrement of a male cow).

2) Not only didn't they ask the question, I'd bet good money that PB don't even realise that even if they can get the original dies from the first company (not a given, at least not without some sort of extortive demand), and even if the dies arrived at the new company undamaged (again, not a given), that die machines aren't universal. It's possible that it will be compatible, but that's unlikely at best. And that's assuming that they're still using the same material, which they've mentioned possibly changing. Molds are based on not just what's needed, but what temperature and pressure is required to properly "cure" the plastic. And that varies from material to material.

3) Can't disagree. Waiting for the next time PB step on their own junk. Cause that's all they seem capable of.

 Nesbet wrote:

Asterios wrote:

I dropped out of the RTU group because got tired of people posting anything that caught their fancy even though it was not even Robotech related by a long shot or at all.

No idea how it was before, but I have enjoyed mostly all the material that came up in the last months...

the photos of the models was my stuff, which is no longer there, got tired of people shilling their KS in the group.

So we have now confirmation that production has NOT started on wave 2 and they haven't even decided on a manufacturer yet to even get into the months long queue. Looks like a 4,000% delay on that production start is possible!

It amuses me in a bad bad way that I just received another Kickstarter's update that essentially meant a small team has produced an entire OVA episode between that Kickstarter's end (Sep 2014) and now.

Meanwhile, in Never-never-land....

I like how they release all the Zentraedi Wave 2 paper minis...but fail to release half the force cards for them. LOL. Failures. We are still missing the official force cards for infantry, gnerls and the two other male and female PA variants you dolts!

 warboss wrote:
So we have now confirmation that production has NOT started on wave 2 and they haven't even decided on a manufacturer yet to even get into the months long queue. Looks like a 4,000% delay on that production start is possible!

Hell, looks like a 500% delivery date (May 2017) is completely out of the question too.

Though to be honest, I don't expect it to ever deliver. Even if they haven't pissed away all the money, with the inflationry pressures in manufacturing and shipping, they'll never be able to afford it. At least not for international backers. And that's assuming they were actually working at it. That there's no tangible proof after so long, despite over a year at it, how they can say "none of the waiting yields visual results that we can share at this time" just reeks of bull manure. How are they making an assessment on different parts counts, mold styles, material changes, or any of the other crap they profess to be doing, if they're getting nothing they can show to backers?

And if "the fulfillment of Wave Two rewards is extremely important to us" is true, I'd be curious to see what their version of "we honestly just couldn't give a toss" would be. Because I don't think I can tell the difference between the former, and what I imagine for the latter.

Personally I think they would at least deliver something, possibly of dubious quality.

The problem is, as a gaming line, it essentially doesn't have a future any more. So it's really just for the minis now.

I sort of chalk up their lack of visual due to them being so thin skinned and knowing any visuals will invite criticism. PB traditionally has been a very wordy company, even their RPG books don't contain a lot of visuals.

 Lynx7725 wrote:

Morgan Vening wrote:
New Update is up

They used 633 words, when 3 would have had the same effect. "Soon, we promise.".

I'm guessing they wanted to head off hostility at GenCon? Meh.

We did learn some stuff from the update.

1. Given normal turnarounds for production and delivery, Wave 2 in 2016 is a diminishing possibility. And they look to be deferring decision until after GenCon, so more and more likely any production and delivery will hit the end of year delays. So, 2017 if at all.

We already knew 2016 was a bust when they said so at the beginning of the year.
It's looking like 2017 is going to be out, too, unless they miraculously come up with a plan and the money in the next couple of months.

 Lynx7725 wrote:
2. They are shopping for a new manufacturer, that's not promising. At all. So, making the leap of faith that RRT would somehow relaunch, how are they going to keep two different set of production dies going? For wave 1 stuff, when they run out, can they just call up the old factory to order a new batch, or are they permanently out of production? I have this feeling they didn't even consider this question...

Since they spent ALL the money on Wave 1 to fill their warehouse, they are going to be good for a long time.

my wave two stuff could arrive today and i still will not play or oromote this game. The minis will get used for alpha strike whete applicable or as whole using mekton zeta tactical until i can do them up in silcore (heavy gear/jovian chronicles)

nllm to Palladium.

My god. Production hasn't even started. A MANUFACTURER hasn't even been chosen.

That means that 2017 isn't even remotely likely.

Wow....looks like they posted wave two zentraedi stand ins but did not post the game cards for them which was supposedly WHY we have been waiting so long.....

Wow, NMI was even moved to comment in the update - no suprise whose side he favored...

What a complete load of nothing. That they not only cannot admit their utter failure by dawdling for nearly two years on Wave 2 but want to relaunch a third time just shows how utterly clueless they are.

Killionaire - Seriously? 2117 isn't a possibility.

Wave Two is fictional. These updates are to provide the tiniest fig leaf with Kickstarter.

The annoying thing is that they don't even have to be even mildly convincing.

 Lynx7725 wrote:


I sort of chalk up their lack of visual due to them being so thin skinned and knowing any visuals will invite criticism. PB traditionally has been a very wordy company, even their RPG books don't contain a lot of visuals.

Having produced some of my own RPG books, PB's books don't contain many visuals because illustrations are expensive. Basically, words are cheap, and like these updates you can spill a few hundred of them and they don't cost much at all.

As for the visuals, they're not displaying anything because there is nothing TO display. If they had done any actual work they would be falling all over themselves to show it off and shut up the negativety that's brewing.

I guess we now know that all those "calls to China" was a bunch of BS, since they don't even have a manufacturer lined up...

Merijeek vs. NMI is that update comments sections is something to behold!

"Merijeek
about 1 hour ago
Go back to your safe place. You've got a Ruiz to administer."

Now I finally understand, I didn't pay for a miniature wargame, I paid money so my fellow gamers would keep me laughing. This had me rolling.