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 Alpharius wrote:
Merijeek vs. NMI is that update comments sections is something to behold!

Well, I've gone and reported NMI for abusive behavior, so we'll see where that goes...

Brandon Aten, Shawn Merrow, Red Duke games like the update. Aren't they all PB employees? I don't recognize the rest of the names since I don't follow Palladium authors for a few years. MidnightBlue rings a bell as well (and rhymes!).

Red Duke is Tom Roche, PB fan friend, unpaid cheerleader lacky that ran the Robotech Battles blog when he wasn't busy spooning Kevin.

So all unbiased, of course >_>


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In other news, hey, mad props to Palladium: They have finally managed to reduce parts number for all of Wave 2. Right down to zero, total, for all of it.

 Alpharius wrote:
Merijeek vs. NMI is that update comments sections is something to behold!

I have to get my entertainment value out of this farce somehow.

 stanman wrote:
Red Duke is Tom Roche, PB fan friend, unpaid cheerleader lacky that ran the Robotech Battles blog when he wasn't busy spooning Kevin.

Yeah, that one I knew. Brandon Aten is one of their authors as well (and I think a friend of Jaymz iirc). Not sure about midnight if he was a freelancer on their forums or not. I was suprised NMI wasn't on the list. I guess he was too busy probably trying to ban folks in the comments by proxy reporting them. He doesn't have control over their facebook page but I bet he is sure to let them know when the uncomfortable truth is being discussed and they need to sweep it all under the rug with a wave of bans. I did like the mention of the worst demo EVAR! on the comments.

 warboss wrote:

 stanman wrote:
Red Duke is Tom Roche, PB fan friend, unpaid cheerleader lacky that ran the Robotech Battles blog when he wasn't busy spooning Kevin.

Yeah, that one I knew. Brandon Aten is one of their authors as well (and I think a friend of Jaymz iirc). Not sure about midnight if he was a freelancer on their forums or not. I was suprised NMI wasn't on the list. I guess he was too busy probably trying to ban folks in the comments by proxy reporting them. He doesn't have control over their facebook page but I bet he is sure to let them know when the uncomfortable truth is being discussed and they need to sweep it all under the rug with a wave of bans. I did like the mention of the worst demo EVAR! on the comments.

Pfft. He lied about the last time he posted (nice one, n815e), but we're to believe him about Facebook?

The comments section is pretty lively there today.

Some seriously heavy anger in there.

Was this the final straw for alot of people?

Final straw? That would imply some sort of a discrete effect. I don't think so. It's just more folks getting completely negative about the whole experience.

Nothing like a reminder of why we hate Palladium more and more every passing day...

 FacelessMage wrote:
The comments section is pretty lively there today.

Some seriously heavy anger in there.

Was this the final straw for alot of people?

Nah, I think it's more simply being reminded of it brought that frustration back.

As for Midnight Blue, I'm pretty sure I remember arguing more than my fair share of rounds over some stupid stuff. The name is familiar, possibly one of those "all KS's are late, no I don't care if Dwarven Forge has delivered 2 (now approaching 4) similarly sized (backer count and amount of funding) projects on time!" types.

Morgan Vening wrote:
2) Not only didn't they ask the question, I'd bet good money that PB don't even realise that even if they can get the original dies from the first company (not a given, at least not without some sort of extortive demand), and even if the dies arrived at the new company undamaged (again, not a given), that die machines aren't universal. It's possible that it will be compatible, but that's unlikely at best. And that's assuming that they're still using the same material, which they've mentioned possibly changing. Molds are based on not just what's needed, but what temperature and pressure is required to properly "cure" the plastic. And that varies from material to material.

Sorry Morgan, but that's not quite true. Moulds are made to be as universal as possible. Where they aren't adaptor plates can be used.

Changing to a different material is not advised without either making a new mould [most likely the only solution] or rarely making major modifications to the existing moulds. This is due to different materials having different coefficients of thermal expansion. Good moulds have that built in to the actual dimensions so that as the injected material cools, you get the correct shape because of the known shrinkage of the material. Take a mould designs for HIPS [High Impact PolyStyrene] and use it for a form of PPVC and the shrinkage will be off. This may mean that the components shrink too much and warp, or they don't shrink enough and stick in the mould, meaning broken parts or twisted parts. The thicker the part, the more likely shrinkage will show. The best way to combat this is designing the mould so that the gate does not solidify too quickly. Pressure can then still be applied and more material pushed into the cavity whilst the other bits of the runner system cool and solidify.

Model runners are not made (Generally) out of Thermosetting plastic, and therefore do not "cure" at all. We are talking about a thermoplastic which can be heated and re-formed a number of times before it degrades to the point of being useless. Temperature required is indeed defined by the plastic, but is necessary to turn the pellets into a liquid that can be made to flow into the mould, nothing more. The pressure required has nothing at all to do with the plastic and everything to do with the size and shape of the cavity in the mould. Take a look at one 'sprue' from directly above. That is the area that we are talking about. The larger that area, the more pressure is required to inject the plastic and properly fill the mould. the more pressure required to fill the mould, the more pressure is required to stop the mould halves separating. It is this clamping force that is quoted as an injection machine's rating. Small machines can be around 5 tonnes, larger machines 100 tonnes or more. Then you need to cool the plastic so it is solid before you remove it from the mould, keeping pressure on it to compensate for the shrinkage as much as possible before the gate freezes. Most bent sprues are caused by a worker thinking he's 'optimising' the process and speeding up the cycle time so that the company can produce more per hour and finish the contract quicker. The plastic is not sufficiently hard enough on ejection and bends whilst sitting in the tray underneath the machine waiting to be sent for packing.

So although temperature and pressure do vary by material, they are much more dependant on mould design.

Did the whole conventional forces things get quietly dropped?

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Did the whole conventional forces things get quietly dropped?

Did you expect anything else? We're talking about PB here.

The whole project has been quietly dropped.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Did the whole conventional forces things get quietly dropped?

Probably my fault since in their minds.

I did the original set

Carmen took that, plagiarised it and bastardized it as his own

I pointed it out

Got some mention and an apology (sort of)

Redid the ones that were done since they had the balance messed up

It took a while and the format was too confusing since they never play the game (I made them as cards for the game)

They let it fall off since things were not as up and up as they hoped and they did not work well with other (GHQ)

So

I posted what I had done on the FB page or you can get it here if interested.

I've been starting work on adapting the Robotech series to the flightpath system - used by X-Wing, Star Trek Attack Wing and D&D Attack Wing.

This is a very rough draft at the moment, with only some of the Macross (UEDF and Zents) and a bit of the Invid converted. I haven't attempted to do point costs yet, nor have I had a chance for playtesting. Any opinions on what I do have I'd appreciate, though.

as it goes if backers want to do something? well here is what they can do, if they can get say a thousand backers who want to take down PB and sue them what you do is each of you pitch in say $10 or $5 if 2000 backers hire an attorney and sue PB for all its worth, the ball is in your court, think of it as a KS for anywhere from $5-10 you can bring down PB and overseas backers can get involved in a class action suit too.

 Mike1975 wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Did the whole conventional forces things get quietly dropped?

Probably my fault since in their minds.

I did the original set

Carmen took that, plagiarised it and bastardized it as his own

I pointed it out

Got some mention and an apology (sort of)

Redid the ones that were done since they had the balance messed up

It took a while and the format was too confusing since they never play the game (I made them as cards for the game)

They let it fall off since things were not as up and up as they hoped and they did not work well with other (GHQ)

So

I posted what I had done on the FB page or you can get it here if interested.

kind of like your Malcontent dice idea.

 Stormonu wrote:
I've been starting work on adapting the Robotech series to the flightpath system - used by X-Wing, Star Trek Attack Wing and D&D Attack Wing.

This is a very rough draft at the moment, with only some of the Macross (UEDF and Zents) and a bit of the Invid converted. I haven't attempted to do point costs yet, nor have I had a chance for playtesting. Any opinions on what I do have I'd appreciate, though.

I'll take a peek tonight. I did some initial work myself on something similar when the kickstarter was announced FWIW.

Asterios wrote:
as it goes if backers want to do something? well here is what they can do, if they can get say a thousand backers who want to take down PB and sue them what you do is each of you pitch in say $10 or $5 if 2000 backers hire an attorney and sue PB for all its worth, the ball is in your court, think of it as a KS for anywhere from $5-10 you can bring down PB and overseas backers can get involved in a class action suit too.
.

I'd pledge for such a KS.

At this point, I'm so enraged by this farce that I'm considering burning my Rifts rulebook. I hold on to it because I remember playing the game back in 9th grade, in the farthest back booth of a Jerry's Subs & Pizza, across the street from W. T. Woodson High School in Fairfax, VA. It was in my backpack as I walked home with one of the girls in our group (50/50 split, which amazes me these days). We were both goth kids, and she was wearing my old black trench coat, as I had just bought a new one and she always had liked the one I replaced. We were talking, and I finally told her I loved her, she replied in that she felt the same about me, and we kissed for the first time.

I remember all that, how great the night after that game was every time I'm going through my bookshelf and see that grey spine.

But now, when I see the Palladium Books logo, it pisses me off almost as much as the memories make me happy. That is how much I hate this company now. All they do is delay and feed backers the *exact same* line of crap (just rephrased) over and over. It's clear that they think backers have gotten what they paid for, and that we can just go pound sand. They claim that they have "other projects"? Nope, not from where I am. Get on it, PB. Devote at least one employee to sorting this mess out. I'm done with excuses, I'm done with platitudes, but most of all...

I am done with the lies.

They don't care, and most likely Wave 2 is vaporware. They're probably just afraid that one day Kevin will come out to his car and it will be a "carbecue" (this is not a course of action I am for, just not a thing that would surprise me) after some enraged fan springs into action after they admit that everybody has gotten what they're going to get, and even those who have gotten no reward are out of luck.

Is it bad that I'm less upset about being ignored than being fed the same old line of garbage over and over?

If someone organizes the campaign with an actual lawyer, I'll throw a $10 in the bucket.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/510264239170789/
that is the group designed to gather those backers who wish to sue PB for failure to deliver paid for product after 3 years.

this is a group where discussion will be made and a course of action to sue PB, that is all the group is for and it is for backers only.

this group will help facilitate communication with other backers of the project.

Asterios wrote:
well here is what they can do,

I thought you'd already launched your legal tsunami of doom? Or were all the threats just empty bluster like PB's updates?

I would pitch in to a campaign with a lawyer chiming in. Get a lawyer start the kickstartrr and I will donate as much as I did to RRT.

I bet a kickstarter to reclaim money lost on kickstarter would actually get huge publicity.

 stanman wrote:

Asterios wrote:
well here is what they can do,

I thought you'd already launched your legal tsunami of doom? Or were all the threats just empty bluster like PB's updates?

this has nothing to do with me, it has to do with the rest of backers who are tired of nothing getting done and want to do something about it I did something, now its up to others to decide if they want to do something or not.

NMI must have done the rounds reporting upset backers to KS. I'm out of that storm for a few days, it seems (not that I much care, it's not like we'll see anything happen for another few months anyways). All I'd be doing at this point anyways is reposting the links to BBB, AG and whatnot (anyone want to take that up for me?)

All in on the facebook group - its time to take PB down, this has gone on for long enough. I wouldn't mind putting Kickstarter itself on the docket at this point. After all, they happily took their cut of the money, and don't feel a whit of responsibility for helping us out. Mayhaps if they were at least named in the suit they'd be a little more proactive towards projects that have gone as sidesways as this one.

You need a catchy name for the kickstarter... maybe BvS: Dawn of Infinite Justice? (backers vs Siembieda) Robotech Tactics Episode IV: The Crowdfunders Strike Back? Bored of the Lying: Return of the Bling?

Yeah, looks like my account at Kickstarter is under "review" however that turns out.
So yeah, no posting for me there for a bit.
Wonder how that little process got going?
Fun stuff, I am liking these folks less and less.

Wow... really? And PB's meanwhile is not under revision? Talk about slanted standards there...