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2016/08/05 14:22:56
Subject: Robotech RPG Tactics - "Restarting" the Kickstarter Discussion
I am not opposed to exploring legal options, any longer.
It is difficult to believe this effort will lead to anything, though, considering it is being led by the very same guy who tried and failed at it.
if you are referring to me then you have evidence to back up your claim? either way? if not then maybe you should shut it up then.
also I set the group up for the backers to organize, after group was set up I stepped down and no longer leading the charge, nor was I.
Proof? You repeatedly told us that if you got your refund then you'd keep quiet and never complain again.
We got a couple of months respite, then you started in with griping and complaining again.
You are either not keeping your word or you failed. Considering the amount of complaining, we can all guess which it is.
You set up the FB group, you determined the scope and parameters, you encouraged people to join it, but you aren't leading it?
Good for you that you tried, but after all your bluster it amounted to nothing. Your threats, your years of bombarding us with hourly posts about how you were going to destroy Palladium. Palladium is still here, you are still here trying to get people to do what you couldn't.
and yet if we look at my posts here in this topic, it seems to be mostly pics of my stuff and making fun of PB which is my wont to do, also where did I say if I got a refund I would keep quiet? other then a full refund, not a partial refund but full amount, I still got their gak I paid for and can make fun of that.
so to further my point you have no evidence just hopes and dreams that PB who supported for ever and eve just screwed you over and not me. have fun with that.
The group is not for me, it is for those who wish to sue PB for them to organize and coordinate the efforts.
Forar wrote: To Nate's point, that screed a few posts up?
~98% recycled material.
I don't think I should need to say where it was recycled from.
Autarch wrote: Wow is that actually for sale or just something they whipped up at kinkos to display at the con?
The fact that it's not traditional "Palladium Perfect Bound" or whatever the hell they call it, leads me to think it's a preview copy, not the final result.
i'm wondering if there is even anything in the book or if it is just a front cover for the book?
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Thinks Palladium books screwed the pooch on the Robotech project.
2016/08/05 15:56:53
Subject: Robotech RPG Tactics - "Restarting" the Kickstarter Discussion
warboss wrote: Thanks, Nesbet. A campaign book is an interesting take on an expansion and maybe a good idea AFTER they come out with wave 2. Mike, did you contribute to that (whether willingly or unwittingly)? I wonder if the conventional vehicle rules will be shoehorned into that.
warboss wrote: Thanks, Nesbet. A campaign book is an interesting take on an expansion and maybe a good idea AFTER they come out with wave 2. Mike, did you contribute to that (whether willingly or unwittingly)? I wonder if the conventional vehicle rules will be shoehorned into that.
Not me, but yes, fans did help.
other then some editing does PB staff even write books?
Thinks Palladium books screwed the pooch on the Robotech project.
2016/08/05 16:18:47
Subject: Robotech RPG Tactics - "Restarting" the Kickstarter Discussion
warboss wrote: Thanks, Nesbet. A campaign book is an interesting take on an expansion and maybe a good idea AFTER they come out with wave 2. Mike, did you contribute to that (whether willingly or unwittingly)? I wonder if the conventional vehicle rules will be shoehorned into that.
Not me, but yes, fans did help.
Ok, thanks. So any grapevine info from facebook on whether the conventional vehicles have switched from a freebie in 2015 that never happened to a chapter in a paid supplement in who the hell knows what year?
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2016/08/05 16:29:42
Subject: Robotech RPG Tactics - "Restarting" the Kickstarter Discussion
Sir Isaac Newton may be the deadliest son-of-a-bitch in space, but John von Neumann is the logistics officer that eats your problems and turns them into kit.
2016/08/05 17:54:41
Subject: Robotech RPG Tactics - "Restarting" the Kickstarter Discussion
warboss wrote: Thanks, Nesbet. A campaign book is an interesting take on an expansion and maybe a good idea AFTER they come out with wave 2. Mike, did you contribute to that (whether willingly or unwittingly)? I wonder if the conventional vehicle rules will be shoehorned into that.
Not me, but yes, fans did help.
Ok, thanks. So any grapevine info from facebook on whether the conventional vehicles have switched from a freebie in 2015 that never happened to a chapter in a paid supplement in who the hell knows what year?
Officially? No idea. I posted my work up for free a number of times.
@Forar: If you are doing your own legal case: I know you. I would chip-in out of my hobby funds. I could be a witness but I would have to look back at some things I have written, I am unsure if anything I posted could come back to bite me in the butt for the case. You have consistently remained polite so I figure you have a better shot than most.
@Nesbet: That scenario book got me all excited for some mysterious reason. Is this some PB consideration or a printed fan made document? I WANT.
@Asterios: The doublespeak or just strange hinting just seems so bizarre: it is very hard to figure out how to place you. Either be sorry for you because you are in some strange situation that prevents clear language due to threats or law involvement OR you are going for mysterious which is... not working so great. It is like watching a monkey in a cage hurting itself trying to get out. Your own efforts in making the models for yourself is commendable, you might have to stick with that or continue to have n815e poke you with the pointy stick.
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A revolution is an idea which has found its bayonets.
Napoleon Bonaparte
2016/08/05 21:57:00
Subject: Robotech RPG Tactics - "Restarting" the Kickstarter Discussion
@Asterios: The doublespeak or just strange hinting just seems so bizarre: it is very hard to figure out how to place you. Either be sorry for you because you are in some strange situation that prevents clear language due to threats or law involvement OR you are going for mysterious which is... not working so great. It is like watching a monkey in a cage hurting itself trying to get out. Your own efforts in making the models for yourself is commendable, you might have to stick with that or continue to have n815e poke you with the pointy stick.
can't say me and mysterious could be used in the same sentence i'm usually very open and loud, in other words I have no shame and speak my mind, when I can.
Thinks Palladium books screwed the pooch on the Robotech project.
2016/08/06 01:10:49
Subject: Robotech RPG Tactics - "Restarting" the Kickstarter Discussion
The Curse of RobotechTM spreads. It appears Paulson Games, the sculptor/minis maker who originally approached Palladium about this project seems to have also run into possibly similar issues with his unrelated mecha kickstarter project.
I'm sorry if that is old news for some but it's news to me. I wouldn't be happy as a backer for 6mm minis but at least he's being open and honest about the issues which is the exact polar opposite of Palladium. It is a bit worrisome that he started a second company to sell the same minis (probably selling the rights/moulds/etc between paper corporate entities) to not have the existing liabilities hold over future projects. As long as he keeps communicating and showing progress, that isn't an issue though. It sucks both for him and his backers regardless.
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2016/08/06 05:19:08
Subject: Robotech RPG Tactics - "Restarting" the Kickstarter Discussion
Yeah, Mecha Front has been a work in progress for some time now. I was a backer, and remain a fan of his work.
It is, to me, an example of how things can go completely against a (legit) small company. A one man operation subcontracting things out and it gets out of hand.
2016/08/06 14:44:30
Subject: Robotech RPG Tactics - "Restarting" the Kickstarter Discussion
i was going to post the pics of 3D primts that are on facebook, displayed at PB booth. But they were printed and designed by a fan... just as that scenarios book it seems... T__T
Damn you PB.
2016/08/06 14:58:38
Subject: Robotech RPG Tactics - "Restarting" the Kickstarter Discussion
So the scenario book you posted a pic about is just more fan rules and nothing actually official in the pipeline? I've got nothing against fan rules (hell, I have some for Robotech on my blog even!) and a good amount of palladium stuff (tactics and RPG) starts with that but I was thinking it was one of their "raw" first drafts that they preview and even sell half finished every year at gencon.
2016/08/06 16:22:20
Subject: Robotech RPG Tactics - "Restarting" the Kickstarter Discussion
Or maybe they're running low on chaff to send out? Yes, that would imply they're actually selling, but we know some folks buy like 10 of these things, so assuming they aren't adding much to the existing pile, I could see some things starting to dwindle over time.
How's the conversation going with Kickstarter, Meri? Were my numbers of any help? Even if not, it was a bit fun to have a more accurate/extensive list of the shenanigans built.
2016/08/06 17:02:19
Subject: Robotech RPG Tactics - "Restarting" the Kickstarter Discussion
The only part of their Terms of Service that Kickstarter cares about is the section that stipulates they take their 5% cut off the top before dispersing the funds.
2016/08/06 19:47:27
Subject: Re:Robotech RPG Tactics - "Restarting" the Kickstarter Discussion
warboss wrote: The Curse of RobotechTM spreads. It appears Paulson Games, the sculptor/minis maker who originally approached Palladium about this project seems to have also run into possibly similar issues with his unrelated mecha kickstarter project.
Paulson Games is being dissolved because it is no longer a single person entity and we felt it was best to rebrand things to fit the new partnership as I'm only a partial owner now. It doesn't impact the Mecha Front line at all which is still being handled entirely by me. It's also a vastly flawed comparison to categorize my KS with Palladiums, given that I'm a single person opperation with barely a $30K budget, vs Palladium's 3 establish companies, dozen+ employees, and $1.4+million budget.
The issues have been well covered in my KS updates for some time, but apparently most people don't read those. Feel free to direct further discussion of my KS to the thread you linked to as it's completely unrelated to the Robotech thread.
Paulson Games parts are now at:
www.RedDogMinis.com
2016/08/06 23:04:56
Subject: Re:Robotech RPG Tactics - "Restarting" the Kickstarter Discussion
Albertorius wrote: Those super poseable Spartans! Clearly the parts number was a great investment >_>
Supers look quite nice. Good work!
well technically they designed one of the Spartans to have its legs look like they are in motion with one leg having its heel point on ground and the other legs toe point on the ground, I decided not to do that since they would look goofy.
and Thank You.
Thinks Palladium books screwed the pooch on the Robotech project.
2016/08/07 13:05:22
Subject: Robotech RPG Tactics - "Restarting" the Kickstarter Discussion
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