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RTT stock being heavily discounted costs Palladium nothing. They could sell RTT starter boxes at $15 a pop to distributors and still make a profit, given how they didn't spend their own money on it.

Merijeek wrote:
Note: I looked through all 54 pages of the MM clearance and I don't recall seeing a single Star Wars Armada item.

Well, what do you think they're clearing the space for?!?

Man that they try to make these drive thru RPG cards seem like a favor pisses me off. I am still missing a card, and we still have to print it. Putting this up only cost them the time to make/upload it.


"This is the Malcontents Regult Support Squad Support Card for Robotech® RPG Tactics™. This card was meant to appear in the Artillery Battlepods expansion pack, but was accidentally omitted from the first printing, so we're providing it here free of charge. For more information, or to purchase Robotech® RPG Tactics™, please visit www.palladiumbooks.com.”

*Head meets desk*

 Swabby wrote:
Nesbet, Early October, and I didn't ask. This will be my first public game, I am used to random matchups in public games so asking didn't even cross my mind.

LOL. I'm definitely going to try your 200 pts list before you!! xDD

And regarding the cards, you could assume that PB sucks and do as I did to use proxies, shapeways models and such with the missing wave 2 cards

 Nesbet wrote:


And regarding the cards, you could assume that PB sucks and do as I did to use proxies, shapeways models and such with the missing wave 2 cards

you see the video I posted here?

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

Merijeek wrote:

 Swabby wrote:
Miniature market looks to be purging their RRT stock in their newest sale:

https://www.miniaturemarket.com/searchresults?q=Robotech+rpg+tactics

Man watching this game sell like this is painful.

RRT stuff is rated one star.

I wonder why?

Probably because they're building the minis with tweezers? WTF? Who builds plastic models with tweezers?

I put the reviews up on MM.

Merijeek wrote:
Note: I looked through all 54 pages of the MM clearance and I don't recall seeing a single Star Wars Armada item.

Possible I missed them, of course.

Try the back to school sale.

 Stormonu wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

Merijeek wrote:

 Swabby wrote:
Miniature market looks to be purging their RRT stock in their newest sale:

https://www.miniaturemarket.com/searchresults?q=Robotech+rpg+tactics

Man watching this game sell like this is painful.

RRT stuff is rated one star.

I wonder why?

Probably because they're building the minis with tweezers? WTF? Who builds plastic models with tweezers?

I put the reviews up on MM.

So you're confirming that you built those things with tweezers? There are only a couple parts that one might have used tweezers on, both being antennas on the recon pod. Otherwise, how does that not make it harder?

Asterios wrote:

 Nesbet wrote:


And regarding the cards, you could assume that PB sucks and do as I did to use proxies, shapeways models and such with the missing wave 2 cards

you see the video I posted here?

Yeah sure. Cool lots of models. Painted! (such a shame to have so many unpainted models -.- )
That's why I said regarding the cards to Swabby> Mike original PB wave 2 cards, go to a publicity store, make them print them etc etc

PS: Quite funny to have you voice now on record in our minds when reading your posts xD
It just sucks how bad recordings sound compared how we use to hear our own voices right?

John Prins wrote:
RTT stock being heavily discounted costs Palladium nothing. They could sell RTT starter boxes at $15 a pop to distributors and still make a profit, given how they didn't spend their own money on it.

Well, unless the store never buys more and people buy from the heavily discounted stock instead of directly from PB, of course. Then it cost them additional sales.

 Albertorius wrote:

John Prins wrote:
RTT stock being heavily discounted costs Palladium nothing. They could sell RTT starter boxes at $15 a pop to distributors and still make a profit, given how they didn't spend their own money on it.

Well, unless the store never buys more and people buy from the heavily discounted stock instead of directly from PB, of course. Then it cost them additional sales.

How can it cost PB additional sales when it's not selling? You can't get lower than zero sales. And the reason it's not selling is that it's not complete. People don't want battles between red-shirts, they want the heroes of the show. They're waiting on Rick, Roy, Khyron, and Miria to lead their forces, but they have been MIA for about 3 years now. How would you play WH40K without a captain, or at least a Sgt in each squad, or a command squad. That's how you are trying to play RRT without those models, unless you are OK with 'print yourself' paper standees [and in which case, why not use that for all the forces, convert them over to a better ruleset and play that. But wait, that means you are no longer playing RRT at all, so PB doesn't get any sales then either.

How long can PB keep urinating on our legs and tell us it's raining?

Well theyve been doing it 30+ years now so.....10 more or so until kevin retires?

 Swabby wrote:
Man that they try to make these drive thru RPG cards seem like a favor pisses me off. I am still missing a card, and we still have to print it. Putting this up only cost them the time to make/upload it.


"This is the Malcontents Regult Support Squad Support Card for Robotech® RPG Tactics™. This card was meant to appear in the Artillery Battlepods expansion pack, but was accidentally omitted from the first printing, so we're providing it here free of charge. For more information, or to purchase Robotech® RPG Tactics™, please visit www.palladiumbooks.com.”

*Head meets desk*

This one?


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Just tell me what ones you want.....

jaymz wrote:
Well theyve been doing it 30+ years now so.....10 more or so until kevin retires?

I don't think so... my guess he will keep doing what he is doing until he dies or goes bankrupt..
In either case, what will be left of the company to save? Rifts is no longer the go to game of teenage
boys.. GTA is... If someone stepped in today with total power over the company to fix the problems..
it would be years down the road and millions more spent.

I suppose the logical choice if he wants to retire would be to sell off the IP to Savage Worlds assuming they can meet his price. For the SW creator, I suppose the decision on that would be based on whether or not they already fulfilled the demand with their successful KS. If the demand was largely nostalgia based and the crowdfunding scratched that itch, they won't see big retail sales past the initial launch (there are always folks who missed out on the kickstarter whether because they couldn't pledge or didn't hear about it in time). If it doesn't attract new fans, it probably wouldn't be worth it for them (see Robotech).

I think you guys misunderstood me about the cards. The lack of a physical card means that regardless of the source of the digital copy you still have to print it, and while a small cost and inconvenience to make one it still should have been in the box, especially because they are the only official source for point values.

I told them Pre-Wave 1 that the boxes should have Force Orgs for everything in them but it was too late since things were already close to printing, at least that is what I was told. I even designed a few different Force Orgs to be shared after the fact as free downloads.

I think what they did with the unit stats in the books was right but it should have also included a poster or small booklet with the Force Orgs. I attached one that I did that I like. Not super cool looking or professional but it shows all the costs and all the upgrades.

ok, lets put some Clarity on the situation here:

1: if Kevin thought he would lose his company thru a lawsuit and have to declare bankruptcy, he would most likely before that sell his IP's and current stock to say Wayne for a mere pittance, this way he will not lose his Rifts or other IP's, it would also void his deal with KS (see All Quiet on the Martian Front).

2: best way to avoid the above scenario is if a class action is started file an injunction to freeze all assets PB owns until such time as suit is done.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
Probably because they're building the minis with tweezers? WTF? Who builds plastic models with tweezers?

Umm..... <raises hand>
72nd scale Dragon tank models warrant a particular amount of dexterity my fingers are unable to do (They have acid etched parts!!)..
It also keeps my digits out of the way when I hit the model with glue.
I use this glue for pretty much anything but it likes to wick everywhere:

I HATE fingerprints on models.

AND these:


Plus I use these:

I have some family in the medical profession so I justify them.

 Genoside07 wrote:

jaymz wrote:
Well theyve been doing it 30+ years now so.....10 more or so until kevin retires?

I don't think so... my guess he will keep doing what he is doing until he dies or goes bankrupt..
In either case, what will be left of the company to save? Rifts is no longer the go to game of teenage
boys.. GTA is... If someone stepped in today with total power over the company to fix the problems..
it would be years down the road and millions more spent.

I was referring to him pissing on your leg and telling you it's raining.

 Talizvar wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
Probably because they're building the minis with tweezers? WTF? Who builds plastic models with tweezers?

Umm..... <raises hand>
72nd scale Dragon tank models warrant a particular amount of dexterity my fingers are unable to do (They have acid etched parts!!)..
It also keeps my digits out of the way when I hit the model with glue.
I use this glue for pretty much anything but it likes to wick everywhere:

I HATE fingerprints on models.

AND these:


Plus I use these:

I have some family in the medical profession so I justify them.

yeah I have dozens of tweezers I use for small parts, and decals and so forth.

So, I'm continuing to argue with them (and accomplishing nothing, obviously) here's Kickstarter's official opinion on this one.

"You can read more about what we expect from creators in situations like these in our Terms of Use: http://www.kickstarter.com/terms-of-use#section4. In short, if a creator is unable to complete their project as promised, they must post an update addressing the work they did and what went wrong, and return any remaining funds to backers. From the last update that Palladium Books posted, it looks like they are working on fulfilling rewards:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/rrpgt/robotech-rpg-tacticstm/posts/1640454"

So, "we're totes working on it, pinkie swear!" appears to be enough to stretch out nothing indefinitely.


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 n815e wrote:

Merijeek wrote:
Note: I looked through all 54 pages of the MM clearance and I don't recall seeing a single Star Wars Armada item.

Possible I missed them, of course.

Try the back to school sale.

That's where I looked. Like I said, I went through all 54 pages, some of which contained items that were sold out, so that's not it. It's possible I missed them, but probably not.

It's amusing that nobody here has a fething clue what "tweezers" are...

I don't see how these could make it easier either!

http://images.linnlive.com/f388cfcbfa3d053fe729eac7c7e59025/17929238-7a52-440c-8d53-063dc7f2e23b.jpg

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
It's amusing that nobody here has a fething clue what "tweezers" are...

John, no need to be mean.

Forceps (plural forceps or forcipes) are a handheld, hinged instrument used for grasping and holding objects. Forceps are used when fingers are too large to grasp small objects or when many objects need to be held at one time while the hands are used to perform a task. The term 'forceps' is used almost exclusively within the medical field. Outside medicine, people usually refer to forceps as tweezers, tongs, pliers, clips or clamps.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forceps

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
It's amusing that nobody here has a fething clue what "tweezers" are...

I do have them in all shapes and sizes, mostly precision tweezers and even a pair of eyelash pluckers.

Merijeek wrote:



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 n815e wrote:

Merijeek wrote:
Note: I looked through all 54 pages of the MM clearance and I don't recall seeing a single Star Wars Armada item.

Possible I missed them, of course.

Try the back to school sale.

That's where I looked. Like I said, I went through all 54 pages, some of which contained items that were sold out, so that's not it. It's possible I missed them, but probably not.

That's okay, they are still there, waiting for you to not find them.

Thanks, mom.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
It's amusing that nobody here has a fething clue what "tweezers" are...

Sorry, I had mistaken that those were obvious and that my "other" implements of tiny assembly warranted pictures.
Yep, checked my post... pretty sure I had not included those other items under "tweezers".
I am kinda shocked you assume we are that clueless yet we participate in a hobby that deals with tiny things...

<edit>BTW: I never thought of forceps as actual tweezers... dad as a vet and mom a nurse... never heard them called anything else but Wikipedia seems happy enough to say they mean either-or. Hmmm... looks like John is half-right.

FWIW, I have never heard forceps referred to as "tweezers", nor would I ever use them for modeling work.