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 JohnHwangDD wrote:
FWIW, I have never heard forceps referred to as "tweezers", nor would I ever use them for modeling work.

I would agree with your first statement: anyone with a medical background would never call forceps tweezers.
When you are used to using them, they are like a smaller set of hands: that is your preference.
I can thread a needle with those things and other great party pleasing feats of dexterity.
<edit> Ah yes... on topic... and a couple RRT models were put together using them.

 Albertorius wrote:

John Prins wrote:
RTT stock being heavily discounted costs Palladium nothing. They could sell RTT starter boxes at $15 a pop to distributors and still make a profit, given how they didn't spend their own money on it.

Well, unless the store never buys more and people buy from the heavily discounted stock instead of directly from PB, of course. Then it cost them additional sales.

My point is they could sell it for ballast and it would still turn them a (small) profit. I'll bet Palladium is still hawking starter boxes 20 years from now. It's eating inventory space, but as long as they didn't move to a bigger building for RTT and haven't run out of space for other stuff (b/c Rifts sells huge volumes? unlikely), Kev can sell them for occasional pocket change for a long, long time.

Most distributors value their shelf space a bit more (some retailers, too). Remember that guy finding RRT stuff in a dumpster dive? It won't be in retail hands forever. Probably in 1-2 years Kev will have the only source of RTT minis aside from maybe E-bay, FWIW. It's the way Kev seems to think, given how Rifts has never really updated its look, or rules, since its original publishing. Good 20 years ago? Still great!

John Prins wrote:
I'll bet Palladium is still hawking starter boxes 20 years from now. It's eating inventory space, but as long as they didn't move to a bigger building for RTT and haven't run out of space for other stuff (b/c Rifts sells huge volumes? unlikely), Kev can sell them for occasional pocket change for a long, long time.

I suspect Kevin will not treat RRT any different than the RPG stuff: do a huge run of it and sell for years. Makes some twisted sense: initial setup costs a fortune but the run time is peanuts. Probably why Rifts never saw an update: <Kevin eyeballs stack> "Nope, got 600+ copies still in the pile from the 1000 two years ago..." (dodged the bullet for another good three years or so...).

John Prins wrote:
My point is they could sell it for ballast and it would still turn them a (small) profit. I'll bet Palladium is still hawking starter boxes 20 years from now. It's eating inventory space, but as long as they didn't move to a bigger building for RTT and haven't run out of space for other stuff (b/c Rifts sells huge volumes? unlikely), Kev can sell them for occasional pocket change for a long, long time.

My point was more on the line that if the store is doing that there's approximately 98% as accounted by PB chances that they will ever place a restock order, unless the Ragnarok comes and Wave 2 is finally released, coupled with the fact that for PB that's money they already got and already spent, but that will reduce (yes, even more) any chances of they selling more boxes afterwards. I agree completely with the rest, though.

Most distributors value their shelf space a bit more (some retailers, too). Remember that guy finding RRT stuff in a dumpster dive? It won't be in retail hands forever. Probably in 1-2 years Kev will have the only source of RTT minis aside from maybe E-bay, FWIW. It's the way Kev seems to think, given how Rifts has never really updated its look, or rules, since its original publishing. Good 20 years ago? Still great!

The dumpster diving video was hilarious and sad at the same time. So much squandered potential...


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 Talizvar wrote:

John Prins wrote:
I'll bet Palladium is still hawking starter boxes 20 years from now. It's eating inventory space, but as long as they didn't move to a bigger building for RTT and haven't run out of space for other stuff (b/c Rifts sells huge volumes? unlikely), Kev can sell them for occasional pocket change for a long, long time.

I suspect Kevin will not treat RRT any different than the RPG stuff: do a huge run of it and sell for years. Makes some twisted sense: initial setup costs a fortune but the run time is peanuts. Probably why Rifts never saw an update: <Kevin eyeballs stack> "Nope, got 600+ copies still in the pile from the 1000 two years ago..." (dodged the bullet for another good three years or so...).

Yeah, because having a lot of money "invested" in mostly unmoving stock is a great idea, dontchanow.

given how Rifts has never really updated its look, or rules, since its original publishing. Good 20 years ago? Still great!

26 years ago iirc lol

Merijeek wrote:
Thanks, mom.

Oh, look. Still there.

I even made it harder for you to ignore them:
http://www.miniaturemarket.com/searchresults?q=Back+to+School+Sale#/?_=1&filter.stock_status=In%20Stock&page=1&filter.manufacturer=Fantasy%20Flight%20Games



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jaymz wrote:

given how Rifts has never really updated its look, or rules, since its original publishing. Good 20 years ago? Still great!

26 years ago iirc lol

You don't mess with perfection, man!

actually its that stock of product which forces Kevin to not change the Rifts game at all, since if he did update it or change it all that stock is worthless.

 Albertorius wrote:
Yeah, because having a lot of money "invested" in mostly unmoving stock is a great idea, dontchanow.

Pretty sure I said it makes some twisted sense.
I am sure he looks at it all as money in the bank... eventually.
A bit like PB projects.


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 n815e wrote:

Merijeek wrote:
Thanks, mom.

Oh, look. Still there.
I even made it harder for you to ignore them:
http://www.miniaturemarket.com/searchresults?q=Back+to+School+Sale#/?_=1&filter.stock_status=In%20Stock&page=1&filter.manufacturer=Fantasy%20Flight%20Games

That Armada starter box is looking awesome... $55? Nice!
Tempted to buy moar fighters as well... the games got insane when we started spamming those.
Still me hates the Luke-you-got-no-shields-Skywalker.

Well, at least RRT stuff is going out of stock like crazy!
That is a sign of success in PB's eyes right?

 Talizvar wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:
Yeah, because having a lot of money "invested" in mostly unmoving stock is a great idea, dontchanow.

Pretty sure I said it makes some twisted sense.
I am sure he looks at it all as money in the bank... eventually.
A bit like PB projects.

Oh, don't get me wrong, I was totally agreeing with you. Sorry if it seemed not to be the case.

Asterios wrote:
actually its that stock of product which forces Kevin to not change the Rifts game at all, since if he did update it or change it all that stock is worthless.

I hadn't thought of that, though I do honestly think Kevin can't be bothered to improve his 'perfect' system. Thing is, he's not making any real new buyers. Slowly selling out a few thousand books is worth a lot less then selling thousands of copies of a new edition plus easy updates of old material for that new system (i.e. monetize existing customers a second time).

Stupid question, does each Mecha in a unit have to pay upgrade points listed on the card to take the upgrade or does paying the price give all the mecha in the unit of that type the upgrade?

It has been way too long since I even thought about the rules :(


Edit: Nevermind I figured it out. Man why don't they just have a "build your army" section in the rules. If you were curious, all the mecha get the upgrade.



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Found this retrospective while looking for Malcontent dice alternatives:

https://forum.rpg.net/archive/index.php/t-685848.html

Swabby - talk to mike1975 in regards to mwlcontent dice

 Albertorius wrote:

 Talizvar wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:
Yeah, because having a lot of money "invested" in mostly unmoving stock is a great idea, dontchanow.

Pretty sure I said it makes some twisted sense.
I am sure he looks at it all as money in the bank... eventually.
A bit like PB projects.

Oh, don't get me wrong, I was totally agreeing with you. Sorry if it seemed not to be the case.

Probably me being overly sensitive.
I would not want anyone to think I have a similar mindset as Kevin and company...

jaymz wrote:
Swabby - talk to mike1975 in regards to mwlcontent dice

Buy these and avoid PB....
http://www.atomicempire.com/item.aspx?item=199002&utm_source=psw&gclid=Cj0KEQjw0f-9BRCF9-D60_n4rKcBEiQAnXW4-wuGhPH8YV6nNV45RA74SLJt-HU9RCyoTHtkjnhaTJYaAgol8P8HAQ

If PB had gotten on the ball on the dice instead of simply shutting them down they could have made some $........

 Mike1975 wrote:
If PB had gotten on the ball on the dice instead of simply shutting them down they could have made some $........

Possibly... You needn't fear for Palladium's finances though as apparently they're just rollin' in the cashmoney from all those 150 poker decks they've almost sold out of this year and the dice bags from last year. Plus there are the residuals from the RIFTStm pencils and coffee mugs as well.

If they made toilet paper with images on it they could make a fortune.......

 Mike1975 wrote:
If they made toilet paper with images on it they could make a fortune.......

That would be a wonderful opportunity to introduce the PB staff to their fan-friends.

http://www.ufunk.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/wtf-manga-toilet-paper-08.jpg

 Mike1975 wrote:
If they made toilet paper with images on it they could make a fortune.......

Indeed! And it would be a nice ancillary product to use with their RPGs whose outdated rules are frequently described as crap.


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 Talizvar wrote:

 Mike1975 wrote:
If they made toilet paper with images on it they could make a fortune.......

That would be a wonderful opportunity to introduce the PB staff to their fan-friends.

No fan friend worth their salt would want to touch any part of Kevin with something like paper that breaks the skin on skin contact with such a legend. Clearly this is more for casual fans and haters like us. If they put Kevin's face on each square, I might actually buy some to use myself! In the meantime, I'll have to use my normal store bought TP which has the entirety of the last 5 months of palladium's demonstrable wave 2 progress printed on each and every square as well as the missing restarted communication that they just *wish* they could show us when Palladium switches to silent running mode for months at a time.

Warboss, that sounds painful. Could be dangerous too, I'd not let that sort of vacuum anywhere near me!

on other news while waiting for PBWU...

On facebook, Robotech Miniatures posted:

We are 98% cerain Siembieda will consider handing over Wave 2 to Rogue Heroes LLC.
(This new outfit reportedly has been tapped to manage the new Kickstarter campaign for the new Rifts boardgame.)

However, we still are claiming a 2020 release...




I dont know how to react to this. Maybe laughing at that 98% would be a good choice to start?

 Conrad Turner wrote:
Warboss, that sounds painful. Could be dangerous too, I'd not let that sort of vacuum anywhere near me!

From what the various Gencon and Anime North attendees have told us, Kevin's dulcet fatherly appearance and calming gibberish words printed on TP may be exactly what is needed to soothe potential butthurt amongst backers. YMMV of course but I think it has the potential to be almost as big of a hit as the poker cards!

It is possible...

http://www.justtoiletpaper.com/customtp.html

Nesbet, isn't that just another fan group?

 FacelessMage wrote:
It is possible...

http://www.justtoiletpaper.com/customtp.html

I like that they lead with Hillary Clinton TP.

I wonder if they were the guys who did the Koran TP...

 Swabby wrote:
Nesbet, isn't that just another fan group?

Yup, pretty much

 Nesbet wrote:
on other news while waiting for PBWU...

On facebook, Robotech Miniatures posted:

We are 98% cerain Siembieda will consider handing over Wave 2 to Rogue Heroes LLC.
(This new outfit reportedly has been tapped to manage the new Kickstarter campaign for the new Rifts boardgame.)

However, we still are claiming a 2020 release...




I dont know how to react to this. Maybe laughing at that 98% would be a good choice to start?

:-)
Isn't Robotech Miniatures the same group that the admin was making up wild rumors about the game and PB, then getting angry when people called him on it?

Oh, did the Robotech Miniatures guy change his tune?

I remember when the page was called something else a couple years ago. He was always a bit of a donkey cave, but I recall some ongoing gun battles of stupidity over him making substantial claims and desiring some corroborating evidence, or something to that effect.

Plus his habit of posting other people's stuff without attribution (which he seems to have finally rectified) always annoyed me.

I don't recall him having anything nearly this negative an attitude. Before I got banned from the page (and frankly I'm no more of a jerk here than I was there, he just didn't like being challenged on some of his gak) I seem to recall him being far more cheerleader'y. I wonder when that change happened?

 Nesbet wrote:
on other news while waiting for PBWU...

On facebook, Robotech Miniatures posted:

We are 98% cerain Siembieda will consider handing over Wave 2 to Rogue Heroes LLC.
(This new outfit reportedly has been tapped to manage the new Kickstarter campaign for the new Rifts boardgame.)

However, we still are claiming a 2020 release...




I dont know how to react to this. Maybe laughing at that 98% would be a good choice to start?

You probably shouldn't react to it as its a very wishy washy non-committal statement. I could say I'm 98% certain that Nesbet will consider never touching or even looking at another Robotech model, picture, or statement ever again. You'd say no to that, right? Well, by virtue of saying "no" you considered it for just a fraction of a second and came to a very quick conclusion so therefore my statement is now correct. Since you're a regular poster but might suddenly lose the internet during an earthquake or something god forbid happens to you and not see this statement, the last 2% covers that eventuality. Kevin Siembieda has "considered" alot of options according to his empty and fruitless "updates" over the past two years since wave 1 came out and we have nothing significant to show for it. About the only thing he hasn't considered is doing the right thing and offering full refunds on undelivered rewards (without any creative accounting on their part) for those who want out of this neverending farce.

That said, ponder this;

Kevin hands the project over to Carmen's company officially.

Carmen runs the Rifts Board Game kickstarter, which just so happens to include minis.

Tries to work out a factory slot large enough for both wave 2 and whatever run of stuff they need for Rifts.

What if part of the snags is finding a production run that is worth a manufacturer's time? Wave 2 is considerably smaller than Wave 1 (in terms of raw figure count and figures per mold).

Plus, it adds some plausible deniability regarding mixing the funds from the two projects. Instead of worrying about paying to ship RRT over, they're paying to ship 'assorted minis from both campaigns at once'! Efficiency! Obfuscation! Efficiency Through Obfuscation!

Not something I'm seriously mulling over, just something that struck me as funny while catching up on the thread. We've joked repeatedly about PB using this new campaign to help pay for wave two, this is just kind of building on that thought as a possibility were PB to announce such a shift.

I mean, I find it hard to believe that their experiences with minis thus far has been remotely positive enough for them to be eager to worry about it again... but shifting it all over to Rouge Heroes (as some guy on the Robotech Miniatures page called it, Red Heroes yay!) and Carmen becoming their 'minis arm', I guess I could see that.