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 Nesbet wrote:
yeah Mike, thanks for that magic, LOL.
But the deal with october 31st is: what will PB do next? They will not have more cards to upload and so, they would not be """"WORKING""""

Don't forget, they have not used the cards as the solo proof that they are "working" on it, there's 'old reliable' "Getting Quotes" that they can use after Halloween!

Well here's a quote for them. "Get off the pot and do something! Put out a single miniature and sell it to the public first, I don't care." I was thinking, many years ago, of buying that Mac.II after I had my pledge. Who wouldn't want that beast in their collection? But as the years go by, the only fun I'm getting out of this anymore is the fact that I can have a little laugh every time I think about how hard Kev clings to the thought that he is doing his best, but I know HE OWES ME! Bet that thought would just burn him up inside, then multiply it by 5,300 odd backers.

Toasty!

I've been emailing Kickstarter every week this month letting them know it's been one month plus X weeks since an update from PB. I even wrote to PB and got a fun response;

As mentioned before regarding your requests for a
refund of the RRT Kickstarter rewards, Palladium
Books is not offering any refunds on the RRT Kickstarter.
Palladium has successfully fulfilled shipping
Wave One rewards and is currently working
on the RRT Wave Two rewards. Once they are
completed we will deliver it when they are done.

Now we have reviewed your email inquires and will
not respond or dignify future inquires, threats
or responses that contain vulgar or insulting
commentary. Palladium has been more than civil
with you, but we do not nor will we have to
tolerate your disrespectful tonality. Updates
will be posted as progress is made.

RRT Support Team
Palladium Books

I told them to not bother shipping my rewards but to instead "forcibly insert them horizontally into (their) rectal cavity" The response to the above message from them can't be posted on this site.

Trying to get banned from KS since I'm never going to use it again nor any crowd funding site. As a matter of fact I've liquidated all of my miniature-based games because even looking at them reminds me of the money I wasted on RRT.

 Mike1975 wrote:
Yeah, they still need to try to get all the minis done and that will happen "soon". Hence why I just check in now and then and have moved on to focusing on Nodal Wars. RRT is dead except for the most extreme of fans thanks to how it was handled.

Yeah, the "extreme" fans just make it their own.
Helps when people provide the missing cards and others make 3D models and things get printed.
It is funny how it can be "fun" thinking, "I am not getting that model from PB in the next decade so how can I get something equivalent in scale?".
It all flows from there and is oddly fun with reasonable payback.
So yeah, any ideas for the Zent infantry troops, Armored Valk, Jotun, Yf-4, Glaug Eldare, Nousgarma-Ger and the Monster I am all ears.

Zent Infantry---- a few people have done some or you can buy Sedition Wars ones cheap like I did.

Armored Valk - Just use a Battletech Crusader. I now have 4.

Jotun - Meh, you could use a number of stand in minis or print ones that I had made. There does not appear to be enough interest in just that mini for people to 3D model it.

YF-4 - same as Jotun but with a bit more interest. Buy the YF-19 from the Macross Collection and you can use those. I do.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/UT-Yamato-Macross-VFC-1-Variable-Fighters-Collection-YF-19-Gerwalk-Figure-/182293180103?hash=item2a71852ec7:g:EqIAAOSwLnBX6GtK

Glaug-Eldare - I only ordered one since their use is really limited unless they fly with Gnerls.

MPA - We already have plenty of those and others have molded the PB ones.

Monster - buy the 1/200 or 1/240 model, I did.



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Or this
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Battletech-MAC2-MONSTER-Metal-285th-scale-unassembled-and-not-painted-Limited-/172307901794?hash=item281e59ed62:g:SEgAAOSwKtlWoZi6

Ha, that'd be hilarious if that was the master Monster for the RRT line.

Sadly, while there's plenty of substitutes for the RRT models we didn't get, the fact is we shouldn't have to do these substitutions; PB is on the hook for what they promised us and they ought to either actually deliver or admit it isn't happening and deal with the consequences. That they keep dragging the inevitable out (no delivery) is maddening and frustrating because everyone else is turning a blind eye.

If PB were to admit they can't deliver, I wonder if Kickstarter would be culpable as well since they did advertise this KS as one of their "top picks/highly recommended"?


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BTW, how is the Savage Rifts Ks going? From what I saw, they're 25% done with the PDFs (which were supposed to be out in June...) and it looks like the print books are supposed to be out in Nov? It appears they're falling behind too.

That Mac looks awesome... and its metal so you can break someones foot by dropping it.

Palladium can say they are working on RRT for eternity.. is there some type of law saying
they spent enough time and need to give refunds.. I mean if you take your car in to get worked
on and they keep telling you that they are working on it and not.. what would be your recourse.?

It's only 1 pound of metal - half the weight of an Empire Steam Tank.

The biggest problem with it is that it's metal. Those arms and barrels are going to need Viagra in a few years, whereas a plastic model would still be standing strong.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
It's only 1 pound of metal - half the weight of an Empire Steam Tank.

The biggest problem with it is that it's metal. Those arms and barrels are going to need Viagra in a few years, whereas a plastic model would still be standing strong.

Not if you expect to commit extreme heresy.
Drill, pin, putty-fill and mount the sucker on a base and paint the darn thing.
Like a form of toy taxidermy in the name of gaming.
I think I would do that to the Matchbox version.

If someone does the same with the EST, it's even heavier yet again.

From Palladium games Oct 27th update.

I know this is very frustrating for some of our Kickstarter supporters, but we just cannot provide specifics until it is all nailed down. We don’t want to tell you one thing now, and something else later. Things are still fluid and changing.


Do you think Kevin got a phone call from Harmony Gold?

 Genoside07 wrote:
From Palladium games Oct 27th update.

I know this is very frustrating for some of our Kickstarter supporters, but we just cannot provide specifics until it is all nailed down. We don’t want to tell you one thing now, and something else later. Things are still fluid and changing.

Do you think Kevin got a phone call from Harmony Gold?

I'm hoping so. They seem to be the only ones at this point capable of holding Kevin's feet to the fire. As for the quote, standard PB wankery. Hey Kevin, you can't talk about specifics NOW? Then how about talking about THEN? I can understand (conceptually at least) about not talking about plans currently under negotiation. But in the last two years, all the pushes and discussions and communications haven't resulted in a single example where you can throw someone under the bus? Unless these negotiations are the same as was going on two years ago (in which case, say that), tell backers about what went wrong. Why it seems that PB aren't going with the initial manufacturer. What plans fell through that forced 2015 to be written off when you were sure things were going on. What things you were mentioning that were going to happen earlier this year, heating up for Summer, etc.

I'm a backer in several campaigns that are over a year late (and several that were that late when they did deliver). And I don't sweat it, because the creators have kept us apprised of the problems they're facing, and so I give them some leeway. The only other campaign I was a part of where I got mightily pissed, was Spaceship X (ABS Space Hulk terrain) where they went dark for 6 months. I don't think PB can recover from the ill will now, to where people might trust/forgive them, but they might mitigate some of the hate and regain a small sliver of credibility if they got their act together. But like with when they do do the occasional reasonable update, they quickly return to form. I fully expect the next Kickstarter Update to start with "Hi guys, sorry about the silence...". Because it's their way. They don't seem to be capable of change. Living in a world of ignorance and faffery.

Speaking of faffery, in the latest PBWU, in the section on the rushed (in time for Halloween!) yet delayed (well.... not so much) Hell Followed book, we get this gem.

I was flattered and thrilled when Alex stepped into my office after reading the section on Masked Lunatics and Heroes, and said, “Kev, this writing is truly inspired. I loved it. Totally unexpected.” Awesome.

I think we know now why Kevin is so slow to turn things around. Quick turns are likely difficult when you've got several employees with their lips permanently attached to your arse.

Palladium Books, inspiration for the "Human Centipede" series of films? That could be quite the thesis for a media course.

And I have to wonder who's arse Kev is attached to, as they seem to be spending years going round in circles.

A random very flattering comment from someone financially dependent on staying in Kevin's good graces on the eve of the release of a new rpg book is totally unexpected? It happens almost every time in his murmurs for years.

Pretty sure Kevin swapped brains with a goldfish about 30 years ago.

 warboss wrote:
A random very flattering comment from someone financially dependent on staying in Kevin's good graces on the eve of the release of a new rpg book is totally unexpected? It happens almost every time in his murmurs for years.

Now I don't get that from the quoted section. To me, it's Alex saying to Kev that the writing was superb, and he found that totally unexpected. That makes more sense, at least.

The quote was “Kev, this writing is truly inspired. I loved it. Totally unexpected.” after all.

So it's his "best work ever", again?

Just like you'd tell a little kid!

 Conrad Turner wrote:

 warboss wrote:
A random very flattering comment from someone financially dependent on staying in Kevin's good graces on the eve of the release of a new rpg book is totally unexpected? It happens almost every time in his murmurs for years.

Now I don't get that from the quoted section. To me, it's Alex saying to Kev that the writing was superb, and he found that totally unexpected. That makes more sense, at least.

The quote was “Kev, this writing is truly inspired. I loved it. Totally unexpected.” after all.

It would be nice if your view were an accurate interpretation, but I doubt that optimistic appraisal.

This exact kind of thing has been going on in Uncle Kev's announcements even when they were in his RPG books or back in the Magic of Palladium Books newsletter days. Alex regards Uncle Kev as undeniably brilliant and visionary on a regular basis. Uncle Kev has to tell us this because it's really important we know how awesome he is, and Uncle Kev is all about tell, don't show.

Alex is the same guy who said that the invention of the Printing Press wasn't of any real historical importance.

 Genoside07 wrote:
From Palladium games Oct 27th update.
I know this is very frustrating for some of our Kickstarter supporters, but we just cannot provide specifics until it is all nailed down. We don’t want to tell you one thing now, and something else later. Things are still fluid and changing.
Do you think Kevin got a phone call from Harmony Gold?

Looking at the wording of this, I would bet money it was a phone call from HG saying they have been "hearing complaints from kickstarter backers".
It seems a very typical response from Kevin when hit with criticism.

I am unsure what specifics they would ever provide since they never get anything "nailed down".
They have never nailed a release date of their core competency publications so it is difficult to determine what they are waiting for.
As to telling us "one thing now and something else later" when has this ever stopped them before??
See the reason why things are "fluid and changing" as months and years march on, technology changes and quotes expire so they "change".

Alex is the same guy who said that the invention of the Printing Press wasn't of any real historical importance.

I sincerely hope this is a joke.

 Conrad Turner wrote:

 warboss wrote:
A random very flattering comment from someone financially dependent on staying in Kevin's good graces on the eve of the release of a new rpg book is totally unexpected? It happens almost every time in his murmurs for years.

Now I don't get that from the quoted section. To me, it's Alex saying to Kev that the writing was superb, and he found that totally unexpected. That makes more sense, at least.

The quote was “Kev, this writing is truly inspired. I loved it. Totally unexpected.” after all.

Good catch. I see master wordsmith Kevin is as accurate and precise in writing his weekly update text as his game rules.

GabrielV wrote:
This exact kind of thing has been going on in Uncle Kev's announcements even when they were in his RPG books or back in the Magic of Palladium Books newsletter days. Alex regards Uncle Kev as undeniably brilliant and visionary on a regular basis. Uncle Kev has to tell us this because it's really important we know how awesome he is, and Uncle Kev is all about tell, don't show.

It is more likely a "keep your job" survival trait where if you do not blow a little sunshine up his nether region, he would get grumpy with you and possibly go looking for someone who would be more "compatible" or at least knows their place in the scheme of things.
Or find yourself as the primary suspect in a "crisis of treachery", or at least suspected for grabbing Kevin's refrigerator artwork.

Man, what I have been saying here is rather petty (my best guess at truth though) but I think it is all about the root of his character.

RRT we thought was a commitment to get a series of things made in exchange for the money given (despite being "not a store").
For those who would say "but you would have never seen this otherwise", I think I would have had a fair bit of success looking at 1:200,1:170, 1:100 (seems the best) or 1:72nd scale models since they all seem to be plentiful.

Anyway.
There I go again pretending what Kevin says matters.
Lalalala I am ignoring him and doing my own thing.

 n815e wrote:

Alex is the same guy who said that the invention of the Printing Press wasn't of any real historical importance.

I sincerely hope this is a joke.

Nope. He said it shortly after the time when Bill Coffin had his meltdown and spilled the beans about the inner workings of Palladium Books. It was part of the defense of Uncle Kev still doing his book layouts with a wax board in 2005. Alex also at least implied that he and Uncle Kev viewed electronic layout as a passing fad.

The thing about PB employees to remember is that they are all Kevin's pals that needed jobs.

 n815e wrote:
The thing about PB employees to remember is that they are all Kevin's pals that needed jobs.

Actually I think his father runs the warehouse and his wife is over the main office...so half pals and half family maybe...

I was thinking if Kevin doesn't like the complaining, it would be the other way where there is no interest at all where everyone has
completely wrote off the game. Having a dead game that the licence holder wants you to still make is a hard place to sit.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
So it's his "best work ever", again?

Just like you'd tell a little kid!

Kevin then beamed like a little kid and begged Alex to put it on the fridge. He did, and the next time Kevin had heart palpitations, the work disappeared again, and only surfaced again on Wayne's Ebay account.

 Genoside07 wrote:


Actually I think his father runs the warehouse and his wife is over the main office

His dad passed and he got a divorce.

That shows how much I keep up with the company..Just want my missing RRT stuff so I can split away from them finally..

Another thing I thought about was... What if Uncle Kevin is telling the truth.. and it taking mouths to
get a quote back... [maybe he is using written letter and mail] . But if so.. Is this the type of company you want
to work with?? If they are that slow on something that is part of every day business, then what is the
other departments like.. slow production? poor quality?? who knows..

He never tells the truth - no reason to be silly and assume he'd start this late in life.

Also, I Saw some discussion but nothing final. What is going on with the SW KS? Is it yet another spectacular PB success story?

 Genoside07 wrote:
That shows how much I keep up with the company..Just want my missing RRT stuff so I can split away from them finally..

Another thing I thought about was... What if Uncle Kevin is telling the truth.. and it taking mouths to
get a quote back... [maybe he is using written letter and mail] . But if so.. Is this the type of company you want
to work with?? If they are that slow on something that is part of every day business, then what is the
other departments like.. slow production? poor quality?? who knows..

I'd say the most likely scenario is Palladium were asked to provide more information when they asked for the quote, so Wayne has been super busy uploading two words a day.

Today marks 50 days since the last Kickstarter Update. That makes it the fourth longest period without an Update during this campaign (just beating out the period before Update 189 dropped).



The Horizontal Axis shows the Update Number (with the alternating greyscale showing 6 month blocks), starting with the first Update after the campaign was initially due (Jan 1st, 2014).
The Vertical Axis shows the time until the following Update (or now, in the case of 195).

Also, in case you can't see it, there does appear to be a trend.

If no Update drops this week, it'll move into third place, beating out Update 174. But don't worry, guys. They're totally working on it!

I did have a similar chart up on PB's FOTM, but it appears they've done another purge of "dissenting information".