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I'm not so sure that fhe intitial ship wave started with First Contact. I remember thinking I would be one of the folks to get a later shipment, but might went out with the very first round, and I was a Battlecry backer.

Also, just counting from the KS front page, they needed a minimum of 6,586 core boxes for backers, so that 1.5K boxes is a paltry sum of what they had on hand. Somewhere in one of the 60's updates on the KS, they have a box with the total number of boxes to be sent (3 cores per bx). It came out to somewhere around 17-18K boxes, as I remember.

The best photos of the amount of overstock they still have is from the Open House pics; they had the RRT players in the very back, next to the towering wall of RRT pallets remaining AFTER Wave 1 went out to backers and retail stores.

Tal - its all done. How "deep" you want it to be depends on what rules you want to use from btas.


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And yes i am converting bt to pb but not rrt.

 Stormonu wrote:
I'm not so sure that fhe intitial ship wave started with First Contact. I remember thinking I would be one of the folks to get a later shipment, but might went out with the very first round, and I was a Battlecry backer.

Also, just counting from the KS front page, they needed a minimum of 6,586 core boxes for backers, so that 1.5K boxes is a paltry sum of what they had on hand. Somewhere in one of the 60's updates on the KS, they have a box with the total number of boxes to be sent (3 cores per bx). It came out to somewhere around 17-18K boxes, as I remember.

The best photos of the amount of overstock they still have is from the Open House pics; they had the RRT players in the very back, next to the towering wall of RRT pallets remaining AFTER Wave 1 went out to backers and retail stores.

Did you get your shipment before the October 4th shipping? Because I don't recall reading that anyone got a BC pledge from the Maxwell "Just missed GenCon by THAT much" Smart August shipment. Because I'm pretty sure I saw a few First Contacters and then nothing for two months.

I wouldn't take that picture as definitive. There were 9 containers needed for Wave 1 (Update 162. If what was shown is the entire container, then there literally wouldn't be space in those nine containers for the ~18K boxes, let alone the BC bags or the retail expansion packs (1.5K x 9 cont = 13.5K).

And yeah, that visual of the wall was pretty funny. I remember being at GenCon 2015, and they had a single pallet of those in the middle of their area. It was below shoulder height (so about maybe 8 high?) on the Thursday morning. Going through the dealer hall, at least three times a day, I don't ever recall seeing more than what had been there previous. And by the Sunday, it still had at least six high. So unless they were really sneaky, they sold less than two dozen. Last year, GenCon 2016, they didn't even bother. The stack was two piles of two or three boxes, with an additional box vertical on top (so, 8 total). I assume they restocked if and when they sold them, so I can't say with any certainty that they didn't sell any. All I remember was convincing one person not to buy (parts count + delay + no end in sight is a great anti-selling point).

 Talizvar wrote:

evancich wrote:
PB can't be that dumb.
Kevin: I have a great idea! Let's spend 100% of the KS $ on the setup costs, starter boxes, and wave 1!
Fanfriend: But, how we will create wave 2?
Kevin: We won't! max lulz

Uh no.
Picture that you get a HUGE deal when running production, setup costs are the big one.
So it is TERRIBLY tempting to ask for an extended run with the thought of selling in retail say even half of it and continuing with wave 2.
No harm no foul right?

I can attest to this, we had a woman at my work that constantly over-ordered promotional materials to get to the next price-point.
She just couldn't get the idea that getting a cheaper individual price was pointless if you spent more overall and were throwing away half of what was left.
Eventually cured her of over-ordering by making her responsible for recycling the old promo, suddenly the discount wasn't worth the extra work

Morgan Vening wrote:
All I remember was convincing one person not to buy (parts count + delay + no end in sight is a great anti-selling point).

I don't get a chance to hang out at the FLGS much, but right after Shadow War Armageddon came out, I went in looking for some of the GW terrain pipes.. During the long conversation
the clerk was hitting me up for what I played.. Catching the RTT box out of the corner of my eye. I asked him how RTT was going.. This guy had great things to say about everything
But, basically said they have not sold one in over a year and removed it from the clearance area because it wasn't selling.. Said the manager was considering it as a give away item
at the next big event.

So most game shops know about the kickstarter quagmire now and most gamers react to the mention of RTT as if you passed gas.. Yet, Palladium is convinced they did nothing wrong
and plan to continue (or at least they say they do). Even if the pull wave 2 off.. What game stores will order it??

Morgan Vening wrote:

Did you get your shipment before the October 4th shipping? Because I don't recall reading that anyone got a BC pledge from the Maxwell "Just missed GenCon by THAT much" Smart August shipment. Because I'm pretty sure I saw a few First Contacters and then nothing for two months.

Looking back through the KS, I see I got my box October 9th, 2014. Oh, well.

I was talking about this KS to some non-gamer friends last night. For some reason, I care about RRT now...

They were vaguely familiar with KS, but hadn't backed anything and I explained how KS changed the board game landscape.

Their first question was: what stops somebody from taking the $ and running?

I went into RRT.

They said, "Did he buy a nice house with the $?"

And I thought, Kevin is such a screw up that he couldn't even imbessle correctly. Rather than use the $1.44M as a golden parachute, he has a bunch of almost worthless RRT starter boxes. And even when he made that mistake he couldn't get out of his own way to recover and not kill the game that he has thousands of dollars in inventory in.

If he had stolen it properly, he would have spent it all on action figures anyway.

 n815e wrote:
If he had stolen it properly, he would have spent it all on action figures anyway.

Agreed.
We all claim good ethics until the latest minis come out by a favored supplier.
Then we look at the budget, squint really hard till we cannot see the numbers, then buy the "needed" models and pray the consequences are not too grim...
Maybe he has a secret stash of role-playing game books from other companies!
I could just see an estate auction being a real surprise with that guy.

BTW, never offer to paint some figures for a non-gamer.
I got taken up on the original Zombicide characters to be painted up.
We are looking for Hero-click painting quality, right???
Unfortunately I painted a really good wizard for my brother (the model was awesome and luckily I was suitably inspired to paint very well) a few years back so the expectations are higher.
So the sister-in-law really identifies with the roller-skating-waitress-with-chainsaw (my brother can occasionally make good decisions, she was one of them)

I was recently driving through the neighborhood and saw an estate sale sign so we stopped in - I was hoping for a freezer for the garage.

Anyway, assloads of action figures and such. Rooms and rooms of it.

Basically none of it moving.

You have something from the 1970s or before? Great. It's worth something if it's in good shape. But almost anything still in the package is valueless - because it was bought to be a collectible, and so there's loads of them out there. And yours isn't worth what you paid for it.

Yeah I know a few people went in heavy on the mid 90's star wars figures.. Thinking that one day they would be worth something.. but they over produced them
and everyone else did the same thing... Almost like the first issue of Spawn.. or a first printing of Rifts RPG.. not worth much unless you can find someone that just
really wants it.
I was thinking... this kick starter is starting to hit the "I don't care phase" there is a ton of people that is considering it a lost and just giving up.. There is over 5000 of
us many buying multiple copies. The worst thing for Palladium is for everyone to stop complaining. That means there is no one out there left that has any interest left.

Also one week is gone and another before the next update... And it will be "we are working on it"... that's what Kevin said... more words and nothing more.

 Genoside07 wrote:
Yeah I know a few people went in heavy on the mid 90's star wars figures.. Thinking that one day they would be worth something.. but they over produced them
and everyone else did the same thing... Almost like the first issue of Spawn.. or a first printing of Rifts RPG.. not worth much unless you can find someone that just
really wants it.
I was thinking... this kick starter is starting to hit the "I don't care phase" there is a ton of people that is considering it a lost and just giving up.. There is over 5000 of
us many buying multiple copies. The worst thing for Palladium is for everyone to stop complaining. That means there is no one out there left that has any interest left.
Also one week is gone and another before the next update... And it will be "we are working on it"... that's what Kevin said... more words and nothing more.

It is a good observation.
It is a sad thing when complaints are the main means of advertising.
Maybe the kickstarter page will "benefit" from my absence.
Maybe just post "Meh" every month or so.

What to do with this thread?
Post results from those who bravely continue with the RRT hobby?

Too bad most "progress" I have is with 3D printed stuff.
Maybe when I am done with my Zombicide figs I can have a go with the Monster.
I really need to see what it does to a Pod Scout squad.

I'm well aware that most of the stuff I collect and spend loads of money on is worthless to just about anyone other than me.

If a person collects things thinking that they are going to flip it and make loads, they are throwing money away.
Collect stuff that you at least value on some level. When you die, your family will sell it or give it away. Hopefully it will find its way into the hands of a fellow enthusiast instead of being landfill.

 n815e wrote:
Collect stuff that you at least value on some level. When you die, your family will sell it or give it away. Hopefully it will find its way into the hands of a fellow enthusiast instead of being landfill.

Have no illusions that aside from those on Dakka or my local gaming club, anything I have would probably be landfill as far as my wife or relatives are concerned.
Any of my hobby work has a better chance of survival as board game pieces, chess sets and dioramas I have made.

I had been "cured" of collecting stuff.
I think my brother shot-up every last Star-Wars figure I had with a pellet-gun.
I was told fire-crackers packed into the Millennium Falcon was spectacular.

Ever feel like those monks who make intricate sand drawings only to have someone run a broom through it the moment it is done?
It is supposed to be a lesson in not being attached to things... the act of making a thing of beauty should be reward enough.

Now if only I can stop getting models faster than I can complete them, wave 2 is going about the right speed.

Merijeek wrote:

You have something from the 1970s or before? Great. It's worth something if it's in good shape. But almost anything still in the package is valueless - because it was bought to be a collectible, and so there's loads of them out there. And yours isn't worth what you paid for it.

I see this all the time with Pokémon cards at the flea market. Sellers will have a bundles of 20 of random cards from the early 2000s for $25 a piece, and just don't understand that the game has zero legacy play so the cards are worth as much as the cardboard they're printed on.

We're cleaning out my office for another bedroom, so I pulled all of the toys I've collected over the years out of storage to sort. Having it all in one place was overwhelming. I have four 30 gallon totes of toys I now need unload (mostly Power Ranger zords, fwiw), and I feel like I still kept too much.

 Genoside07 wrote:
and everyone else did the same thing... Almost like the first issue of Spawn..

No, wait. I have a mint copy of Spawn #1 in a polybag somewhere.

If I still read comics, I'd reuse the bag...

Ha!

Spawn #1 in NM (or whatever high grade CGC that means) is probably worth $50, give or take...

Robotech RPG Tactics Wave 2 or a Spawn #1 in NM - which one will be worth more in...a year?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Spawn-1-NM-condition-Free-shipping-on-orders-over-100-00-/322581051237?hash=item4b1b543765%3Ag%3A4WEAAOSw6ShZXj29&nma=true&si=f%252BwISsid%252BeMVULkFY7WJGOc3M38%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

$13.00.. for a 25 year old comic... not good on return...

But I bet money in 25 years that Robotech Tactics will be.....

 Alpharius wrote:
Ha!

Spawn #1 in NM (or whatever high grade CGC that means) is probably worth $50, give or take...

Robotech RPG Tactics Wave 2 or a Spawn #1 in NM - which one will be worth more in...a year?

Checking on eBay, Spawn #1 VF-NM (non-graded) sells for $5, so mine might be $10 shipped.

That's broadly comparable in value to Robotech Wave 2.

The difference is that I didn't pay as much for the comic book.

I gave away spawn 1-50, wouldn't inflict RRT on anyone.

Huh - who knew?

Guess no one really is going to be paying for their kids' college with 'rare' and/or 'valuable' comics from the 90's after all!

(Or possibly also not keeping the lights on with action figure sales either!)

Of course, collectibles are 'worth' what someone wants to pay for them...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Spawn-1-Cgc-9-8-/332295813654?hash=item4d5e5fba16:g:7yYAAOSwd~RZTJFY

But again.. the going price for Robotech Tactics main box set is about $65 with a MSRP of $99

But if you had a nicely painted one, I am sure you could find someone that would pay at least $125 for it..

You are adding value to a product, most of the time it works... Some times its just a way to lose more money.

Same as for the Spawn Comic, the grading alone adds value.


Back on topic a little.. Was looking at Scott's postings again... First was ship by 2017, talking to manufactures.. Everything is great, Everything is Awesome.

Second post, I think he is finding out how messed up everything really is... Changed to now missing the 2017 ship date and still working with manufactures, nothing to report.

So are we starting a betting pool on what the next posting will be??, Maybe start getting get bipolar messages from here on out.. Next post will be everything is grand and I

just spoke to Kevin and he said everything is great...That I should ignore the big meanies in the kickstarter comments and the evil den of Dakka Dakka.

With a back and forth like that I think it would confuse most of us... Something can not be both great and awful at the same time...

Next post, Scott will be replaced with an absent update from Wayne.

As for collectibles, looks like the Robotech Exosquad figure are at least more valuable individually than a RRT boxed set...unless it's a UEDF figure.

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l1313&_nkw=exosquad+robotech&_sacat=0

 Genoside07 wrote:



Back on topic a little.. Was looking at Scott's postings again... First was ship by 2017, talking to manufactures.. Everything is great, Everything is Awesome.

Second post, I think he is finding out how messed up everything really is... Changed to now missing the 2017 ship date and still working with manufactures, nothing to report.

So are we starting a betting pool on what the next posting will be??, Maybe start getting get bipolar messages from here on out.. Next post will be everything is grand and I

Not a bad point - I suppose this next update will be the one that might let us know what's up at Palladium Towers now.

 Alpharius wrote:
Not a bad point - I suppose this next update will be the one that might let us know what's up at Palladium Towers now.

That is delightfully optimistic.
Or I would submit it will be an update on how masterfully Scott can describe inactivity on a continental drift scale of speed.

 Alpharius wrote:
Guess no one really is going to be paying for their kids' college with 'rare' and/or 'valuable' comics from the 90's after all!

Of course, collectibles are 'worth' what someone wants to pay for them...

That Spawn #1 going for $75-ish is great for the seller, but it's still not rare or valuable.

No, if we are talking about truly rare and valuable stuff from the 90s, that's easy/. Someone who had "invested" $1,000-ish into boxes and sat on them would have quite a nest egg today.

Completely unlike RRT. Not even the big Robotech / Macross toys have inflated like that, though they have kept pace with inflation.

 Talizvar wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Not a bad point - I suppose this next update will be the one that might let us know what's up at Palladium Towers now.

That is delightfully optimistic.
Or I would submit it will be an update on how masterfully Scott can describe inactivity on a continental drift scale of speed.

Well, by that I meant that if Scott continues to choose the 'vague path', we'll know that it really is 'business as usual', meaning, nothing is actually happening.

If, however, Scott gives us an actual detail or two, something concrete, then there still might be a bit of hope here.

Maybe.

Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment...

Cynicism is so last decade!

For those that were interested

http://worldofjaymz.wikia.com/wiki/Robotech_Alpha_Strike