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"My Seventh Update"

The Meetings with the Manufacturers at Gen Con

Because people asked - Gen Con went very well for Palladium on a number of fronts. With regard to RRT Wave 2, we spoke with representatives of several manufacturers and reviewed samples of their work. We are now awaiting refined quotes as we were able to discuss what we want to accomplish with Wave Two. That included confirming with them the level of detail that we are seeking to preserve while reducing part counts.

All in all, the meetings went very well and hopefully we will be making a selection on a manufacturer to move forward with very soon.

Wow.

Yes, you can only meet with a manufacturer (and view samples of their work) at an annual convention.

And, and "reduce parts count' just for the sake of delivering an extended figure to everyone outside the WKoPB.

Gen Con went very well for Palladium on a number of fronts.

It's lines like this that lead me to strongly believe that Scott is just trimming emails from Kevin.

 n815e wrote:

Gen Con went very well for Palladium on a number of fronts.

It's lines like this that lead me to strongly believe that Scott is just trimming emails from Kevin.

Agreed!

I wonder what the update titled "My Onehundreth Update" will look like?

And by "wonder" I mean "we can probably predict it to within 98.6% accuracy", of course...

Future updates are 98% complete!


Classic NMI:

I really should point out the link to when they decided to split the game here:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/rrpgt/robotech-rpg-tacticstm/posts/734271
Their complete list here:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/rrpgt/robotech-rpg-tacticstm/posts/1022972
Another update from them just because:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/rrpgt/robotech-rpg-tacticstm/posts/1230809
That at least lists everything out well.

Reviewing way back then (2014 / 2013) it is surprising seeing the other wave 2 prototypes and needing to ask the question of what the heck happened??
I honestly think the models were designed and many layouts may have been completed as well.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/rrpgt/robotech-rpg-tacticstm/posts/1150566 Feb 28 2015

So "something horrible happened" somewhere between the above update with the manufacturing exploded views of wave 2 models and the below Kevin plea for "reboot".
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/rrpgt/robotech-rpg-tacticstm/posts/1255963 Jun 7 2015

Update rant on no inappropriate spending on RRT funds:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/rrpgt/robotech-rpg-tacticstm/posts/1335688 Aug 26 2015

Sorry, just going back down memory lane and just with the details and timing of it all, I really am about as certain as I can be that they plain ran out of money.
Since there is ZERO word on the prior manufacturer I suspect Palladium Books owes them money.
"Luckily" PB ordered a fair bit of stock.
Want to place your bets that if they manage to run out of stock there will be zero chance of resupply?
Unless we look around in the Chinese market for some "Robo-models" or something around that line.

Anyway, a good recap of what is owed and just how close we were to wave 2 was actually ready and how now everything is just getting dusted of to give the impression of "progress".



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 n815e wrote:
Future updates are 98% complete!
Classic NMI:

Wow, where/when was this?
Makes me "happy" to put to rest that "some blame is with Ninja Division", what he said there is a fine example of feeling some ownership to that work.
Good to see, thanks n815e!
NMI / Ruiz... painful guy.
Just HAD to be clarify to everyone what their entitlement and involvement is... like we don't know.

Oh well... back to our regularly scheduled forum crawling of games that are alive and supported.

 n815e wrote:
Future updates are 98% complete!


Classic NMI:

Where is this posted to? Because it is fething awesome.

Jeff Ruiz proving to be a clueless donkey-cave attack dog for Kevin. Hey Kev, you might want to get him spayed.

 Talizvar wrote:
Wow, where/when was this?

Comments on Mike's page following the latest 'update'.

I appreciate it being shared here, as NMI has me blocked on Facebook so I only saw half of the exchange when I went looking for the source. Getting it here gave us the full story.

Oh wow, that is more enlightening than the last three years of Unca Kevayne's speeches. How long before Unca Kev tries to sue Cadice for breaking the NDA that is supposed to keep him completely mute?

That is classic!

He didn't know who he was talking to, did he?

 Alpharius wrote:
That is classic!

He didn't know who he was talking to, did he?

Nope. And I expect a deletion and pretense that it didn't happen, rather than an apology. Because that's how Ruiz rolls.

Cadice's asterisk before literally is setting off my OCD sensitivities. Makes my eye twitch.

EDIT: And it's not like Ruiz shouldn't have known. AFAICR, Ruiz being who he is (Kevin's lapdog) had dealings with Cadice at the 2013 GenCon. So I don't think that they were complete strangers.

Then again, I don't think Ruiz thinks before he acts. He has a history of losing it when Kevin's "honor" is on the line.

My first account on Palladium's forum was deleted years ago, after I questioned why they had a stickied post telling users to show respect to ND while NMI was harassing them on FB.

They can delete what they want I just shat this all over... And asked Tenkar for the assist.

Would appreciate if someone posted a link to that, image in the Update #207 and Regular Comments Section. Sometimes pictures speak louder in words... especially if those pictures are of words? (lol)

Link: http://withinthedungeon.blogspot.com/2017/09/robotech-rpg-tactics-game-of-quotes.html

Side note: And still no confirmation given that Scott is in Texas. Anyone have any links to confirm that?

Heh. I love this comment;

"Winning the lottery and suing Kev into homelessness and a card board box at the side of the road and then stealing the box is The Dream that keeps me living..."

OK I am saving that screencap. Typical behaviour though on Jeff's part lol.


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On further reflection johns statement lifts sdone of the blame off of ND and shifts more blame onto PB if that is even possible lol

Did NMI reply to Ninja John? Inquiring minds and all that...

Merijeek wrote:
Read his updates. It's not speculation, he has flat out stated it.

Of course his updates on the project status are all lies, so I see no reason to believe that, either.

 mdauben wrote:

Merijeek wrote:
Read his updates. It's not speculation, he has flat out stated it.

Of course his updates on the project status are all lies, so I see no reason to believe that, either.

Stating the obvious here, but I'd really like to get a source for the claim that Scott is in Texas; I think it would make a good point (of the subterfuge Palladium is rolling out) on my blog. But I need a source for that... Because I source stuff... However I can contribute, in some small way to shedding light on this shat-show, which leads to any sort of resolution I'm all for... Whether it's just been gross mismanagement or fraud with intent only time (may) tell. Personally, I think it's just been gross mismanagement but that doesn't change any of the many facts that it could be the other.

For reference (those willing to help) I've looked over The murmurs (twice) on Palladium Forums, Through Kevin's Updates and Palladium Books main page (once) & Scott Updates on the KS (thrice). I have not seen Scott being in Texas, mentioned once. (help!)





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 Ctaylor wrote:
Did NMI reply to Ninja John? Inquiring minds and all that...

Him and John said the had a chat...

Here's what I wrote: +John Starck Cadice respectfully, I think a few would disagree "that it's all good." But, it's Nice that you anD Jeff were Able to sort it out.
Notice: NDA is capitalized & bolded, but it didn't come out that well

Link to the Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1440349382851175/?multi_permalinks=2972401862979245&comment_id=2972674802951951¬if_t=like¬if_id=1505382772809154

WithintheDungeon wrote:


Stating the obvious here, but I'd really like to get a source for the claim that Scott is in Texas; I think it would make a good point (of the subterfuge Palladium is rolling out) on my blog.

The earliest mention I found was when James Laflamme posted it on August 16 in the general comments. Perhaps he could shed more light.

As for other leads:
I vaguely recall having heard this before then though in relation to Gen Con when someone asked if Scott was going and he revealed he was in the D/FW area and wouldn't attend. That generated some surprise and response (particularly since all his kickstarter updates read as if he's in Michigan, further adding to the theory he's simply cut and pasting Kevin screeds). If Scott doxed himself it may have been removed if it was on FB or the PB forums, or even Kickstarter for that matter. Come to think of it, I don't really follow the PB forums or FB page unless someone posts a link, so perhaps it was on kickstarter and was removed for reasons. Hope this helps.

WithintheDungeon wrote:
Stating the obvious here, but I'd really like to get a source for the claim that Scott is in Texas; I think it would make a good point (of the subterfuge Palladium is rolling out) on my blog.

https://www.facebook.com/scott.gibbons.545/about?lst=502946927%3A1300876755%3A1505432489

He does live in Texas. I can confirm that from a mutual friend.

Of course, you could always message him and ask.

He lives in Austin, Tx

Cadice back with more revelations on the same FB post.

Can't make screen caps right now.

Bah. Some of us don't bother with Facebook. My wife frowns on my stalking exes, and I don't think it's good for anything else.

Anyone?

Another interesting comment ninja john...

Were was this Jaymz?

Holy cow... I guess when the wheels come off the bus, it means all the wheels!

Same fb thread as the earlier one with jeff.

Posts by Jeff/NMI are now showing in grey which indicates he is no longer part of the group. Since he doesn't have mod powers to ban people or delete their posts he probably got pissy over being called out and left.

When I was checking previous posts Ninja John had posted in response to the prior update, I screen grabbed but don't have a picture host atm so here's the text in response to PB's update about still seeking quotes.

John Starck Cadic: The entire mk1 range was sculpted and ready for production in less than 8 months, with changes. Mold making for the entire set would have taken 4 months with slow approvals, putting us on time to deliver in 14 months with all the back and forth. This continues to make me sad. July 19th

Given the production time of wave 1 and if they could get all of that done in 8 months wtf has taken PB 4 years to produce NOTHING?

Besides the long running question of PB being out of money the thought occurred to me that a large number of items in wave 2 were ones that were ones that might not be something that were expressly covered with IP rights. With the recent legal rumblings between HG and Tatsunoko it could be a point of contention. A number of those mechs were in the series only as Easter Egg style tribute items and properly belong to other series and not the Macross/Robotech proper. It's possible that there was some over reaching going on and maybe the reason wave 2 hasn't happened is because they don't actually own the rights to most of those designs?

evilsmurf wrote:
Heh. I love this comment;

"Winning the lottery and suing Kev into homelessness and a card board box at the side of the road and then stealing the box is The Dream that keeps me living..."

As I've mentioned, not entirely in jest, I keep hoping that Kevin will be rendered bankrupt with nothing but a barrel to wear.

But yeah, if he were living in a cardboard box, I wouldn't be adverse to pouring a bunch of water on it.



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 paulson games wrote:
Besides the long running question of PB being out of money the thought occurred to me that a large number of items in wave 2 were ones that were ones that might not be something that were expressly covered with IP rights.

I'm pretty sure the MAC-II Monster would clearly have been covered. I'm also pretty fething pissed that never got made or delivered, given that we paid a LOT extra for it.

Yeah I know that there's some designs like the Mac II that wouldn't be an issue but because they were bumped to part of wave two would unfortunately become collateral damage . If there's one thing Kevin is completely governed by it's paranoia about lawsuits, which could easily account for why everything has been on ice if he even caught the faintest idea there might be a legal issue. Don't have anything tangible to support this but if lack of money isn't the issue as PB claims, there has to be a major (& unannounced) issue to cause this all to ball up like this. It has to be something serious that threatens the entire project otherwise they'd be able to talk about it and all we get is spin or silence.

 paulson games wrote:
Yeah I know that there's some designs like the Mac II that wouldn't be an issue but because they were bumped to part of wave two would unfortunately become collateral damage . If there's one thing Kevin is completely governed by it's paranoia about lawsuits, which could easily account for why everything has been on ice if he even caught the faintest idea there might be a legal issue. Don't have anything tangible to support this but if lack of money isn't the issue as PB claims, there has to be a major (& unannounced) issue to cause this all to ball up like this. It has to be something serious that threatens the entire project otherwise they'd be able to talk about it and all we get is spin or silence.

That's definitely a sound theory. And if I could accept Kevin as much smarter and less lazy than I think he is, I could totally buy in to that argument.

The argument against the money issue is that IIRC they've never actually said that. Despite repeated requests for a statement saying such, the only thing they have said is that it wasn't misappropriated for personal luxuries. They've not explicitly said that they have the money, and what they have said, doesn't exclude them misspending in other areas. For example, Kevin lamented that he had spent thousands of dollars advertising the 2013 release. That money shouldn't have (and to be fair, may not have been) spent using Kickstarter funds. Retail launch has nothing to do with the Kickstarter obligations. Similarly, speculated expenditure on retail Wave 1 isn't personal luxuries (misappropriation, just not a house or boat). The refusal to state they have the funds, and the weasel words to imply they do, is telling IMO.

On a side note, I saw on the KSCommentary that Riache and Co were playtesting future generations using fan made product. Kinda cart before the horse there, I think. With 3.5 years until the expected lapsing of the license, it seems highly ambitious to think that there's time to do more than complete Wave 2, and still have a reasonable timeframe to market and sell it. But that's PB's motto. "Dream big, do jack squat".