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That cover art looks like the sort of crap madman mike draws. Was it him?

No mike did not do the black market cover.

 Swabby wrote:
Is anyone up on the facebook post on Mike's group where Thomas Roache stated that all the planned Robotech RPG tactics products (like the scenario book) are on hold until wave 2 releases?

Seems like relevant information that I have seen little commentary on.

Yep!

About a year ago he asked people to write scenarios for that book and now it seems he's taking credit for it in typical PB fashion.

Pfft. If it doesn't have Kevin's name on it, it's not going to sell. And if it doesn't sell it doesn't do a whole lot of good financially, now will it?

He only does that for the good of the company, and by extension, the RPG industry that he created.

evilsmurf wrote:
That cover art looks like the sort of crap madman mike draws. Was it him?

https://palladium-store.com/1001/product/886-Rifts-Black-Market.html
https://palladium-store.com/1001/product/177-The-Rifter-77.html

Yeah.. that is him... It is just digital poser art... I seen people use the same software and get crazy results.
But his work is on the very low end... Plus if he would just watch a few training videos or take a few art classes
he could improve by leaps and bounds.. but then Kevin couldn't afford him.

If you look at the Big dogs of the industry.. Fantasy Flight, Wizards of the Coast and Games Workshop, they all
have a ton of art, especially the ones that have card games. I don't remember a single one that uses this type of art.

So if he tried to get work else were I am sure they would say "no thank you" and move on. But Kevin as a publisher makes him a
"real" artist by purchasing his work.. allowing him to say I am a professional game artist.. Yeah but my name is in the front of some
game books when I played a unreleased game at a random convention to help play test it.. Well I guess that makes me a
"professional game designer"

Not to get pedantic, but the Rifter listing specifically says "Rifts® cover by Michael “Madman” Leonard.", the Black Market page says no such thing.

Which tells me that they got two people who weren't very good with Poser to do the covers, not that the same person did them.

It wouldn't shock me if he did, but that's not exactly a slam dunk there.

You are right, Forar.. I am just assuming...

Palladium Bad Art + Poser Program = Mike

Well... if you alienate your freelance artist to the point they no longer want to work for you (because PB is SSOOO good about getting the freelance artist exposed to the gaming industry... as in not to work for PB), the only option is very generic and mediocre work in Software Platforms like Poser. I used to like the artwork in most of PBs' books. But if KS can get diamonds from a turnip, he'd do so to anyone wanting to contribute to Rifts. Why anyone would want to work for such a spring board for healthy employment in the gaming industry is anyone's guess.

The cover for Rifts Black Market is credited to "John Macdonnell," and that name doesn't really bring up any other Google hits for being artwork related (no DeviantArt page or the like) - not all that surprising, given the...quality that the cover displays.

[edit] I take that back. Pro-tip, if you're an artist and you may want people to be able to find your work, it helps to have the name you're published under - say. not missing the space - for searches.
https://johnmacdonnell.deviantart.com/

Well, at least the artist is happy...
Looks like Kevin is "taking a chance" on using unpublished artists.
I feel a bit sorry for John that Kevin using his work is not much of a endorsement.

I want to know for each and every one of you:

1) That you played the game and liked it, and want more

or

2) Played the game and didn't like it

or maybe

3) Was only in it for the models

ANSWER NOW!!!!!!!!!!!

Hi! My answer to your question was given earlier in this thread or its predecessor. You are free to dig through the 400+ pages and find it for yourself.

KTG17 wrote:I want to know for each and every one of you:
1) That you played the game and liked it, and want more
or
2) Played the game and didn't like it
or maybe
3) Was only in it for the models
ANSWER NOW!!!!!!!!!!!

Well that is rude.
Would be nice to explain a bit your interest in this poll.

Will answer anyway:
1) Played game: YES many times, Liked it: Kinda, needed some tweaks, Want more: YES, it actually needs more, that is why play is not as fun as it could be.
2) Needs help, something simple like building MDC bugs me.
3) Kinda, gaming in the Robotech world is attractive but a bunch of same scale models were a big draw. Feel sorry for those where models are not their main focus: UEDF Valks are pretty fussy.

Your poll is really weak / not structured well in getting definitive answers, that is why you get answers like this:

JohnHwangDD wrote:Hi! My answer to your question was given earlier in this thread or its predecessor. You are free to dig through the 400+ pages and find it for yourself.

That is truly an awesome answer.
Points to how repetitive things get here too.

D) Had no interest in a game that was extremely late and that shipped with miniaturized versions of models that I had first built in the late 1980s.

The fact that it was clearly stillborn long before it arrived at door steps didn't help matters much.

I have a question for KTG17;

Why do you feel the need to wander into this thread every so often and make declarations or demands of the people who post in it?

I mean, this is the only series of threads in Misc Sci-Fi that you've posted in. It wasn't exactly a Holmsian piece of sleuthing.

KTG17 wrote:
I want to know for each and every one of you:

1) That you played the game and liked it, and want more

or

2) Played the game and didn't like it

or maybe

3) Was only in it for the models

ANSWER NOW!!!!!!!!!!!

KTG17 wrote:
I want to know for each and every one of you:

1) That you played the game and liked it, and want more

or

2) Played the game and didn't like it

or maybe

3) Was only in it for the models

ANSWER NOW!!!!!!!!!!!

Definately #3, though if I had gotten enough of a force to a painted state, I would have at least tried the game. I may yet play, but it's extremely low on my totem pole.

KTG17 wrote:
I want to know for each and every one of you:

1) That you played the game and liked it, and want more

or

2) Played the game and didn't like it

or maybe

3) Was only in it for the models

ANSWER NOW!!!!!!!!!!!

Sure. I'll bite. My answer is based on the decay of caring that PB has shown.
It was 1, the game was okay, had some issues. Then it became 2 because the game stagnated, because half the game is still missing and the issues weren't fixed. Then it became 3, because I can use the models as mechs in Battletech. Finally it became 4, I'd rather them sit and collect dust in a box somewhere than see the light of day and tick me off about the delay because PB can't seem to figure out how to actually......work. Talking about work is not work.

KTG17 wrote:
I want to know for each and every one of you:

1) That you played the game and liked it, and want more

or

2) Played the game and didn't like it

or maybe

3) Was only in it for the models

Here's your answers:

1.) I would like more... but Palladium refuses to finish the product they started.
2.) Can't really enjoy or dislike an unfinished product.
3.) The models were a key selling point for the game, and Palladium should have recognized, finished the game and give it the support it deserves.

KTG17 wrote:
I want to know for each and every one of you:

1) That you played the game and liked it, and want more

or

2) Played the game and didn't like it

or maybe

3) Was only in it for the models

ANSWER NOW!!!!!!!!!!!

I waited a bit to answer because frankly i don't do what my wife tries to tell me to so I sure as hell wont do it to your timeline.

Yes I played it. Yes I liked it though it needed and needs work. Hell I devoted a crapton if time to supporting with Mike etc (I created the proboard that for a while had higher traffic than PB's own dedicated rrt board and created the rrt wiki). No at this point I do not want more. My time and money have gone to several games that are better in their own ways, are quite well supported, and do not treat their customers as afterthoughts.

Satisfied?

Lol. So someone found the FB group wanting to do a class action and asked PB about it on their forums and naturally their response was to delete the thread.

Would you want to host a link to people who want to sue you?

Sue them? What for? I could have sworn that the official Palladium Books position was that they've provided more than enough, and that anything "Wave Two" is a bonus provided by the Divine Siembieda?

Remember, one lie is always more believable than two!

 Forar wrote:
I have a question for KTG17;

Why do you feel the need to wander into this thread every so often and make declarations or demands of the people who post in it?

I mean, this is the only series of threads in Misc Sci-Fi that you've posted in. It wasn't exactly a Holmsian piece of sleuthing.

I have a question for you, why are you stalking me?

KTG17 wrote:

 Forar wrote:
I have a question for KTG17;
Why do you feel the need to wander into this thread every so often and make declarations or demands of the people who post in it?
I mean, this is the only series of threads in Misc Sci-Fi that you've posted in. It wasn't exactly a Holmsian piece of sleuthing.

I have a question for you, why are you stalking me?

History is easy to check here.
No special effort "stalking" required.
Seeing someone's posting history makes it really easy to evaluate the "sincerity" the person operates on.
Looking at what you bother to post, Forar's question is a logical one.
A question you have not seen fit to answer.

Nor have they deigned to respond to anyone who actually answered their passive aggressive demand for answers.

 Talizvar wrote:

Your poll is really weak / not structured well in getting definitive answers, that is why you get answers like this

I thought I was asking to pick one:

"1) That you played the game and liked it, and want more
or
2) Played the game and didn't like it
or maybe
3) Was only in it for the models"

 Talizvar wrote:
History is easy to check here.
No special effort "stalking" required.
Seeing someone's posting history makes it really easy to evaluate the "sincerity" the person operates on.
Looking at what you bother to post, Forar's question is a logical one.
A question you have not seen fit to answer.

Oh so you stalk people too. So it appears Robotech and Stalking go hand in hand.

Oh don't worry I will reveal my interest in to topic shortly.

KTG17 wrote:
I thought I was asking to pick one:

Well, #1 is really 3 questions so should pretty much be ignored.
#2 is two questions and again should be ignored.
#3 If you were really lucky, you might get a couple people who may agree to this answer.
Pointless.
Which goes to the unanswered questions for this poll:
Why ask this?
Why do you show up on occasion and make demands?
Where is your interest in this?
You are new to Dakka in relative terms so why show up here?
Your history makes it look like it is merely to troll, why deserve any answer at all?



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KTG17 wrote:
Oh so you stalk people too. So it appears Robotech and Stalking go hand in hand.
Oh don't worry I will reveal my interest in to topic shortly.

Ah, you added to your post.
Well that answered my question.
My, aren't we cute.

You guys seem really upset that I posted ANSWER NOW!!!!!!!

KTG17 wrote:
You guys seem really upset that I posted ANSWER NOW!!!!!!!