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 Alpharius wrote:

 n815e wrote:
Let’s see what effect the backer letter has.

I think we've already seen it, or are seeing it...

As of yesterday the sender hasnt had a notification of the letter being delivered, it was rumoured that it snowed heavy in Palladuims area and pos no one at site or they flat out refused it, the sender was going up the PO to check on it

Palladium is now evading service? Nice. But totally expected for the kind of people they show themselves to be.

Even if they haven’t received it in the mail, they have known it was coming and it is now available to download.

 n815e wrote:
Even if they haven’t received it in the mail, they have known it was coming and it is now available to download.

link?

GabrielV wrote:

 n815e wrote:
Even if they haven’t received it in the mail, they have known it was coming and it is now available to download.

link?

Unfortunately, it's a closed facebook group (RRT Backers planning lawsuit) and they have requested that the letter not be reposted. It doesn't have any surprises though. Basically informing Kevin that he either produces Wave 2, provides proof of activity/spending of funds or be prepared to face a class action suit.

It's apparently a required "letter of intent" to prove that the person leading the charge attempted to reach out to PB to resolve the matter first before actually starting legal proceedings. PB will ignore it, but again, it appears to be a required first step.

It's actually a "Demand Letter", wherein one states very clearly *exactly* what one wants by whatever deadline is appropriate. Typically, there is a 1-week response window. It shows a "good faith" to negotiate a resolution before filing a lawsuit.

Failure to acknowledge or respond (in writing or action) to repeated demands may constitute "bad faith" and result in treble damages above and beyond actual losses suffered.

PB will likely ignore it, because no real money has been spent. Once a lawsuit is filed, they may start to pay attention. Or not,

So I went to my FLGS, Over Christmas They had RRT for $20 brand new.

Well, it didn't sell.

They've placed it on a bottom shelf, where it's likely to sit till it's either tossed, or someone gets it on a whim.

What I find sad is there's tons of youtube videos that cover failed kickstarters and KS projects that ran with the money, yet RRT gets next to no attention even with the giant amount of money it made.

 dreamakuma wrote:
So I went to my FLGS, Over Christmas They had RRT for $20 brand new.

Well, it didn't sell.

They've placed it on a bottom shelf, where it's likely to sit till it's either tossed, or someone gets it on a whim.

What I find sad is there's tons of youtube videos that cover failed kickstarters and KS projects that ran with the money, yet RRT gets next to no attention even with the giant amount of money it made.

Well, in one aspect, that's good. If no one has heard of them no one will buy from them (though there's plenty of YouTube videos that do mention PB's failure, just not very prominent ones). I think overall there's enough negativity associated with this debacle that PB will never be able to rise above it - that's not the justice I want, but at this point, I'll take what I can get.

I don't think they care. Just like the alternate dimension religious folks in that Silent Hill movie, they're just fine and dandy where they are in their ever shrinking circle of fan friend self reinforcement.

 Stormonu wrote:
Unfortunately, it's a closed facebook group (RRT Backers planning lawsuit) and they have requested that the letter not be reposted. It doesn't have any surprises though. Basically informing Kevin that he either produces Wave 2, provides proof of activity/spending of funds or be prepared to face a class action suit.

It's apparently a required "letter of intent" to prove that the person leading the charge attempted to reach out to PB to resolve the matter first before actually starting legal proceedings. PB will ignore it, but again, it appears to be a required first step.

So, I'm not a lawyer, but what reasoning is there for it to not be reposted? Presumably the backers involved know what it says (or at least the outlines), PB will know what it says once it has been received, I'm unclear why it's being treated as privileged information.

But, again, as I said, I don't know this stuff, maybe there's a really good reason! Maybe it's something about paying for a lawyers work and not wanting that just freely handed out on the internet? I don't know what I don't know, so consider this a WHY ARE YOU SO CAGEY ABOUT IT, and more a sincere question asked in good faith.

If/when this moves to lawsuit, at that point, the letter will be public information. Let them hold it until they choose otherwise.

 Forar wrote:
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So, I'm not a lawyer, but what reasoning is there for it to not be reposted?

Because you don't conduct a case through the media, that's why. You don't publish your letter of intent, you don't broadcast your demands on social media, you keep it professional and operate in good faith, or you get to trial and you opponent has tons of bad faith ammunition to sink your case. Once you unleash the lawyers, you let the lawyers deal with it and STFU.

Then why mention it at all?

Again, sincerely curious. If this is a thing that can't be talked about, why bother talking about it?

The First Rule of Robotech® RPG Tactics™ Kickstarter Campaign Talk is...


...OK, that's probably "Don't expect to ever get Wave 2 rewards", but...whatever!

All kidding aside, good question Forar.

Maybe it was just a general 'heads up' with a 'more to follow' promise, implied or inferred?

My guess is they didn’t want it getting out to the fan-friends to be waved as some sort of persecution banner, or to give PB any wiggle room that they first heard about via a repost vs. getting it by registered mail.

Either way, just adhering to the request - for now. If I see they post that they got a recieve reciept, I don’t see any reason not to post it then.

There are a few reasons:

1) If it is published and nothing comes of it (settled, dropped, no suit, etc), it could be considered to damage PB's rep. For example, if PB is trying to get a line of credit, the bank could view that as a potential liability.

2) Neither side wants to show any cards. For example, the FB people could publicly state that they want every backer to get $ back, but could send a private letter to PB saying only settle with the people signing this letter. This might save PB from having to pay more out / discourage other people not on the letter, etc

3) It can attract other suits. Let's say the FB folks demand $1M and make it known, somebody might organize more backers and ask for $750k

PB already has spies in that group. They have seen the letter even if they refuse to accept it from the post office.

 n815e wrote:
PB already has spies in that group. They have seen the letter even if they refuse to accept it from the post office.

"Spies?" Ah yes, I'm actually one of them. Now-silent founder Rick is the other one

Honestly, if PB's fan-friends/white knights think they need to "infiltrate" that group to keep Kevin abreast of "the situation", I feel rather sorry for their waste of time.

I think he meant NMI who also joined the group.

That sounds like it has Rick bluster and posturing stamped all over it, full of hot air and nothing else.

 stanman wrote:
That sounds like it has Rick bluster and posturing stamped all over it, full of hot air and nothing else.

Wrong elemental force. It was a legal tsunami that took Palladium at least three or four napkins to soak up.

Well still no update Robotech Tactics Rpg KS or PBWU as well but they are coming out with one book at the printer. So no Robotech from PB.

Maybe the threat of the impending lawsuit as them turtling up big time?

 Stormonu wrote:

 n815e wrote:
PB already has spies in that group. They have seen the letter even if they refuse to accept it from the post office.

"Spies?" Ah yes, I'm actually one of them. Now-silent founder Rick is the other one

Honestly, if PB's fan-friends/white knights think they need to "infiltrate" that group to keep Kevin abreast of "the situation", I feel rather sorry for their waste of time.

I know that the group admin is wary of them, threatening to boot suspected spies out of the group. Personally, I feel they are going to get the information anyway, let it be open. But there are fan friends in that group who report to Palladium. I'm sure they think they are doing Kevin a favor.

 n815e wrote:

 Stormonu wrote:

 n815e wrote:
PB already has spies in that group. They have seen the letter even if they refuse to accept it from the post office.

"Spies?" Ah yes, I'm actually one of them. Now-silent founder Rick is the other one

Honestly, if PB's fan-friends/white knights think they need to "infiltrate" that group to keep Kevin abreast of "the situation", I feel rather sorry for their waste of time.

I know that the group admin is wary of them, threatening to boot suspected spies out of the group. Personally, I feel they are going to get the information anyway, let it be open. But there are fan friends in that group who report to Palladium. I'm sure they think they are doing Kevin a favor.

Ah, paranoia on both sides, I guess.

As for NMI, I believe he was booted from the group some time back, unless he got back in under another name.

Still no post on the FB group whether the letter was returned rejected or accepted, or if there was a response back to the author. Radio silence on all fronts - and probably will remain that way until at least Gencon.

It has been a long time of "progress" but I am now putting some models I have together.
It is making me happy about SOMETHING Robotech so is worth doing:

Had to pin these bad boys since some connections seemed a bit skimpy so brass rod was used.
I cannot use normal glue other than super-glue, anything MEK or of that nature may melt the stuff.
Very pleased with the detail, I am rather excited to paint these up in the "classic" paint job.
Other than NOW having to make another bare bones VT squad to cover when they are shot out of their armor, I should get that Monster together I keep meaning to do.
The only issue is it is made of a more "fuzzy" materail so I have had to seal it with some watered down white glue to seal it better.

I shall have my complete Robotech game... it may take as long as the license to run out on Harmony Gold but I can at least claim better progress than PB!

Hah, hah - nice! Well, PB had their chance, these look pretty decent. I'm guessing they're 3D printed?

Any chance of a shot of the back of these guys?

Wow, those are great.

I cannot fathom how many pieces Super VT's would be, if made in the same style as the standard ones we got, but as with many people I always loved that design, and the notion of having a flight or two of them captured my imagination during the campaign.

So young, so naive...

Anyway, keep up the great work, Talizvar.

Wah wah wee wah

Nice work!