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 Albertorius wrote:

 AegisGrimm wrote:
The best way to support Palladium books any more is to buy the Savage Worlds version of Rifts. Show them how much more competent other people are with their IP than they are.

Well, provided anyone wants to do that, of course.

Sorry, I was trying to be snarky. I meant the best way to support them is to give that money to other people who are running their IP better than the actual creators of it. With a successful and fulfilled Kickstarter, too, which must be kind of like salt in the wound.

 AegisGrimm wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:

 AegisGrimm wrote:
The best way to support Palladium books any more is to buy the Savage Worlds version of Rifts. Show them how much more competent other people are with their IP than they are.

Well, provided anyone wants to do that, of course.

Sorry, I was trying to be snarky. I meant the best way to support them is to give that money to other people who are running their IP better than the actual creators of it. With a successful and fulfilled Kickstarter, too, which must be kind of like salt in the wound.

This is PB we're talking about, you know. As long as the money keeps coming and they don't have to do any actual work, I think the will give about two feths among all of them.

 Albertorius wrote:
This is PB we're talking about, you know. As long as the money keeps coming and they don't have to do any actual work, I think the will give about two feths among all of them.

Not quite followers of the 40k "Khorne" , more like "Kasha cares not from whence the money flows, so long as it does."
They do seem to be masters of trying to figure out how to get the greatest return on the least effort possible, fan-friend efforts are considered "free".

 AegisGrimm wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:

 AegisGrimm wrote:
The best way to support Palladium books any more is to buy the Savage Worlds version of Rifts. Show them how much more competent other people are with their IP than they are.

Well, provided anyone wants to do that, of course.

Sorry, I was trying to be snarky. I meant the best way to support them is to give that money to other people who are running their IP better than the actual creators of it. With a successful and fulfilled Kickstarter, too, which must be kind of like salt in the wound.

Well, that’s not the best idea either- PB gets paid royalties or somesuch for the use of the Rifts license.

Better to go to the source of whatever they ripped Rifts off from in the first place - just cut the middle man out altogether.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
Bob, I have a tiny amount of RRT bitz that I will happily give you for FREE next time we meet up

That's very nice of you. Is there a local event coming up soon? I've also got some spare Rising Sun minis if you're interested in just a handful.

Sorry, I have no idea what's coming up event-wise. If BH does something, ping me, and I'll see if we can't meet up there

Well, I'd post this on the KS, but it seems our friends at Kickstarter want me to argue with them to get my posting abilities back.

And, honestly, feth that. Who cares at this point? Not like they're getting any more money from me.

Looks like HG has been told to pound sand. Again.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_33WnIpLEADui_Rh6dqSqtOKgNWRveWQ/view

I love the fact that battle h is owned by Hairbrained holdings so it’s Harmony Gold vs the Hairbrained Defendants

I love that PB is now saying, essentially, "Send us a list, including alternates, so we can send you whatever the hell we want.'

It's Christmas Grab Bags In April/May/June/Eventually December!

Not that I expected anything different, but:

1) people are complaining that they submitted their lists early and are only just hearing back
2) they are being told that what they requested is out of stock
3) yet anyone who gave them a call got instantaneous service
4) which completely contradicts their statement that lists were filled in the order that they came
5) out of stock items include common expansion boxes like Spartans which were still in stock to buy on their site from non-backers until 4/2

And I'm pretty sure all of this will surprise someone :p

Did anyone actually expect PB to run this thing well? With the way they've treated backers up to now, it was always going to be frakked up.

I updated the title, I figure we'll close this thread at last once people are getitng their exchange items. Feel free to start a new thread on legal actions against Palladium.

I noticed something hidden away in the depths of this weeks PBWU, apparantely Carmen is re emerging at a new job at Palladium

Any bets that this is to helm the niew Rifts Tactical RPG game, not of course related to his gRifts Boardgame in any way apart from the design?

Wonder where Palladium got the funds to start development for this one, oh of course, the retail sales of the RTT product they never actually paid for.

Sometimes it's good to keep a fake suicide attempt in the bank - never know when you'll need to milk it for some sympathy.

And, you know, an excuse to hawk Rifts(r)(c)(tm) beer cozies.

wilycoyote wrote:
I noticed something hidden away in the depths of this weeks PBWU, apparantely Carmen is re emerging at a new job at Palladium

Any bets that this is to helm the niew Rifts Tactical RPG game, not of course related to his gRifts Boardgame in any way apart from the design?

Wonder where Palladium got the funds to start development for this one, oh of course, the retail sales of the RTT product they never actually paid for.

Not sure where this info is. The three references to Carmen have him tentative to show due to a new job, training and may not be able to show, and a Splicers reference.

I see that as him getting further from PB, than closer to, if he's not attending the POH. Cause let's face it, noone who works for Kevin has to go through any training (or have any qualifications besides nasal ridge/interglutal cleft compatability with Kevin). So him being potentially absent doesn't make sense.

As for gRifts, I think it's on indefinite hold. There hasn't been a new update on Rogue Herpes Studios in more than seven months. And unless PB do decide to voluntarily issue refunds (shyeaaaah), I can't see any project being worth the obvious backlash, even if they don't do a miniatures related one. I think at least for the next couple years, Kevin's going to stick to using the funds that appear to have been generated by sales of stuff that backers paid for, to do what he does. Spit out a book every 4-8 months, and keep the lights on.

While I absolutely don't think Kevin has the capacity for self-reflection to think he's done anything wrong, it would surprise me a little if he didn't see that stepping outside his comfort zone, especially with a six figure project, given the hostility of the haterz, would be a worthwhile endeavour. He definitely prefers to be a big fish in a small pond.

EDIT: Yeah, I accidently typoed Carmen's company name, but screw it, I find the typo more fitting.

I might have mentioned it before, but will again...

My bet is that PB wanted to exchange first with the heavy hitters in the Pledge Manager / Backer Kit.

The people they owed larger amounts of money probably got priority because if they can clear out the big fish, the little ones are less likely to go after them... maybe?

I honestly think that they are too disorganized and incompetent to approach it that way.

I doubt it. The people who added additional items or those who ordered off the web site I'm sure got priority. That's actual money rather than a gakload of stuff going out the door for the price of shipping.

Feth this company. Hope they and HG get what's coming to them - at the most inappropriate time for them.

 Stormonu wrote:
IThe people who added additional items or those who ordered off the web site I'm sure got priority.

I had some trouble finding a backer here with Unseen Riflemen/Warhammers. I can confirm that an order for the same placed on Saturday 4/1 was packed on Easter and given to USPS Monday.

Now that Harmony Gold has lost it's case against Hair Brain Schemes;
Maybe they should go after Palladium for damaging their licence.
They knew about the train wreak early on and I am sure it didn't help
that Kevin kept telling people five years later that he is "still working on it"

Nothing was pulled from production process after loosing the licence. So
clearly they had not done anything since wave one. If someone that had
product that based on my licence that still owed paying customers something.
I think I would not just sit by and allow them years to make it worse.

Plus the fact that about every other Robotech licence holder refuses or not
allowed to use Kickstarter.. Seems Robotech Tactics is the cause of that..

Just rechecked my shipping notice, it’s dated 2014 and sent to my old address.

See if they reply...

HG was aware of it, they tried to help out by giving a free extension on the license and connecting them with businesses.

 Genoside07 wrote:
Now that Harmony Gold has lost it's case against Hair Brain Schemes;
Maybe they should go after Palladium for damaging their licence.
They knew about the train wreak early on and I am sure it didn't help
that Kevin kept telling people five years later that he is "still working on it"

Nothing was pulled from production process after loosing the licence. So
clearly they had not done anything since wave one. If someone that had
product that based on my licence that still owed paying customers something.
I think I would not just sit by and allow them years to make it worse.

Plus the fact that about every other Robotech licence holder refuses or not
allowed to use Kickstarter.. Seems Robotech Tactics is the cause of that..

Alpharius Walks wrote:

 Stormonu wrote:
IThe people who added additional items or those who ordered off the web site I'm sure got priority.

I had some trouble finding a backer here with Unseen Riflemen/Warhammers. I can confirm that an order for the same placed on Saturday 4/1 was packed on Easter and given to USPS Monday.

I've had no trouble selling mine on EBay for $30 a box.

I've actually not had trouble selling any of the KS stuff, even recently, on EBay for close to retail.

 Genoside07 wrote:
Now that Harmony Gold has lost it's case against Hair Brain Schemes;
Maybe they should go after Palladium for damaging their licence.
They knew about the train wreak early on and I am sure it didn't help
that Kevin kept telling people five years later that he is "still working on it"

Nothing was pulled from production process after loosing the licence. So
clearly they had not done anything since wave one. If someone that had
product that based on my licence that still owed paying customers something.
I think I would not just sit by and allow them years to make it worse.

Plus the fact that about every other Robotech licence holder refuses or not
allowed to use Kickstarter.. Seems Robotech Tactics is the cause of that..

Just give it some time - once the ship has sufficiently sunk and HG is hurting for monies, they’ll turn on PB in some fashion.

I’m wondering how close HG will pay attention to the “destruction” of unsellable stock of RRT. As litigatious as they are, I assume they’ll request a complete breakdown of the final state of remaining stock, but as much as they share PB’s work ethic as they are will they ever get to looking it over?

I sent in my request for trade on 4/5 or 4/6, got a reply the items were pulled on Friday, but haven’t seen a shipping cost request yet. Not sure if I’ll be due a “sorry, not in stock” e-mail, but I did ask for a box of Spartans...

I’m also shocked they’re running out of base stuff - there seems little motive to pull a “short on stock” marketing gimmick and I can’t fathom there’s been that many folks that took the offer; it’s have to be over 100% trade-out I would think.

I'm interested to see how many Spartan boxes show up at whichever retailer they liquidate to.

 n815e wrote:
I'm interested to see how many Spartan boxes show up at whichever retailer they liquidate to.

Unless someone stops him, that “retailer” will be Unca Kev’s e-bay account. I kinda hope he’s stupid enough to try it.

So... the tentative schedule for the Open House is up, here.

They've got Peter Pidrak (The Last Cheerleader) hosting several RRT games for 4 hours each morning, and a tournament.

A six hour tournament. Either they're anticipating bugger all people showing up, they're doing very small battles, or they're content with the possibility of multiple undefeated players. Seems very much out with a whimper than with a bang.

Heck, given the environment in the public sphere, will Kevin even mention a winner?

Also of note to those who have followed this debacle, Business and Social Media Manager Scott Gibbons is apparently going to be on site on Sunday. Guess they need SOMEONE to help clean the toilets. Hopefully he's better at that job than he is at managing the business or social media.

So let's see what he's running. "Scott Gibbons Board Game Rifts Battlefield". I wonder if that's the Talisman clone I've heard mentioned over the years, a reskin of Carmen's game (again diluting the "It's not a PB thing!" argument), or something new? Cause working on something new like this, so soon after the RRT clusterfeth crashed and burned, is just mindboggling stupid. So my guess is it's something new. When it comes to a choice between lazy IP theft, business shell corporation muddlement, or starting a 5+ figure project on the heels of a collapsing 7 figure project that you've claimed you can't refund due to inability to do so and the optics would be bloody horrible, I'll take the latter.

Actually, it sort of makes sense that they would run out of Spartan boxes first. The Tomahawks/Defenders were included in the core set so shipping aside, the most cost-effective way to get Valkyries/Tomahawks/Defenders/Battlepods/Officer Pods were to get the core set. I'm surprised they still have artillery pods as I would have expected those would have also been in high demand.

As for the Rifts board game, it'd be very suspicious if they were suddenly able to fund its development in-house.

cannonfodr wrote:
Actually, it sort of makes sense that they would run out of Spartan boxes first. The Tomahawks/Defenders were included in the core set so shipping aside, the most cost-effective way to get Valkyries/Tomahawks/Defenders/Battlepods/Officer Pods were to get the core set. I'm surprised they still have artillery pods as I would have expected those would have also been in high demand.

As for the Rifts board game, it'd be very suspicious if they were suddenly able to fund its development in-house.

Agreed on the Spa/Pha. The reason I'd argue that it sold out before Arty Pods, was because of crossover. Spartans in particular make a proxy for the original Battletech Archer. The Longbow (RRT Phalanx) has been around since Sorenson's Sabres, about three years after Battletech was initially published. It never gained the cultural nostalgia though, because it's neither as cool looking, nor did it have the "historical context". When the leaders of two of the more prominent (at least in the books) mercenary companies both drive Archers, and a Longbow is maybe mentioned in passing, it's not surprising. And with the Arty Pods being even LESS known, and also arguably sufficiently different in look to the BT equivalents, I'm not surprised.

Not saying that BT sales were the predominant driver, but I think the crossover explains the sales differential.

And yes, if PB do start actively developing a board game, I can see a lot of people being suspicious. And angry. And seething. Especially if it's self-funded. Though as said, it's quite possible that this is just the Talisman reskin. I believe it was mentioned when Carmen's game came to light (that it wasn't that). And I *THINK* it was Gibbons who was attached to the other. But my memory is fuzzy, and I'm too over it to go back through the volumes of gak PB have spewed over the last five years to find that one reference.