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True but they are different type of plasma apparently as plasma in 40k explodes. Where in starwars they are just energy.
Blasters are more like tau plasma, its slightly weaker, safer, and less extreme.
Not even, tau plasma is still very destructive, melting holes in people, with the damage to unarmored targets similar to the damage plasma weapons do, just smaller. You get hit in the arm with tau plasma, and you are losing an arm.
A higher powered blaster isn't much different than that...
Maybe in how the damage is dealt but, unless blasters got a lot more powerful when I turned my back, they would be about the damage of a lasgun, maybe a bit more. Less than a bolter, certainly, and much less than pulse weaponry.
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BaronIveagh wrote: Basically they went from a carrot and stick to a smaller carrot and flanged mace.
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raiden wrote: Not to mention the thousands of assassin droids they could build..
Assassins require the ability to stealthily infiltrate the target location. Assassin droids can do this because droids are common and mundane in Star Wars. Such a machine would however be found out immediately by any 40k faction however.
We have evidence of Jedi not only reflecting blaster shots, (which move about as fast as a fired projectile }
But also being able to deflect them so as they hit the firer.
Sure, but they have also been demonstrated to not be able to deflect solid matter as easily. And much of 40k still uses solid projectile weaponry. Jedi also are pretty limited in how much they can deflect.
We also have evidence that Jedi can fight in the air/falling.
Light sabers can basically absorb electricity and or "magic"
So? this is useless when the electricity just goes around your blade. Or you just have your brain boiled from the inside.
We also have proof of Jedi being able to sense danger from another room, with something as small as a large centipede.
Unimpressive. A psyker with precognition would have known the bugs were coming and intercepted the droid or assassin before they got there. By the time Anakin sensed the danger it would normally have been far too late.
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I think Star Wars blasters are a lot more powerful than people.give them credit.
Acvording to wookiepedia (with the primary sources being some very old books), it's almost impossible to penetrate stormtrooper armor with slugthrowers (Star Wars projectile weapons), while it offers way less protection against blaster bolts.
This means that, in Star Wars, blasters are likely significantly more powerful than projectile weapons. Depending on how Star Wars projectile weapons compare to 40k projectile weapons, this might mean blasters are also significantly more powerful than lasguns (since lasguns are roughly equivalent in power to autoguns).
LordBlades wrote: I think Star Wars blasters are a lot more powerful than people.give them credit.
Acvording to wookiepedia (with the primary sources being some very old books), it's almost impossible to penetrate stormtrooper armor with slugthrowers (Star Wars projectile weapons), while it offers way less protection against blaster bolts.
This means that, in Star Wars, blasters are likely significantly more powerful than projectile weapons. Depending on how Star Wars projectile weapons compare to 40k projectile weapons, this might mean blasters are also significantly more powerful than lasguns (since lasguns are roughly equivalent in power to autoguns).
Well most weapons in 40k are developed to rip to shreds targets, a concentrated lasgun is pretty deadly, as it has been stated that the armor both the imperial guard wear and the storm troopers wear are pretty similar. They are both well trained, except the guardsmen have tanks and artillery while the Storm troopers lack that in spades.
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Asherian Command wrote: They are both well trained, except the guardsmen have tanks and artillery while the Storm troopers lack that in spades.
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True but they are different type of plasma apparently as plasma in 40k explodes. Where in starwars they are just energy.
Blasters are more like tau plasma, its slightly weaker, safer, and less extreme.
Not even, tau plasma is still very destructive, melting holes in people, with the damage to unarmored targets similar to the damage plasma weapons do, just smaller. You get hit in the arm with tau plasma, and you are losing an arm.
A higher powered blaster isn't much different than that...
Maybe in how the damage is dealt but, unless blasters got a lot more powerful when I turned my back, they would be about the damage of a lasgun, maybe a bit more. Less than a bolter, certainly, and much less than pulse weaponry.
Just from the movies, blaster firepower can range anywhere from 7.62 NATO equivalent to double digit megajoules depending on how you calc it.
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True but they are different type of plasma apparently as plasma in 40k explodes. Where in starwars they are just energy.
Blasters are more like tau plasma, its slightly weaker, safer, and less extreme.
Not even, tau plasma is still very destructive, melting holes in people, with the damage to unarmored targets similar to the damage plasma weapons do, just smaller. You get hit in the arm with tau plasma, and you are losing an arm.
A higher powered blaster isn't much different than that...
Maybe in how the damage is dealt but, unless blasters got a lot more powerful when I turned my back, they would be about the damage of a lasgun, maybe a bit more. Less than a bolter, certainly, and much less than pulse weaponry.
Just from the movies, blaster firepower can range anywhere from 7.62 NATO equivalent to double digit megajoules depending on how you calc it.
So....? Lasguns are actually quite strong you know, the only reason they are referred to as weak is that there are so many more deadly things out there.
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LordBlades wrote: I think Star Wars blasters are a lot more powerful than people.give them credit.
Acvording to wookiepedia (with the primary sources being some very old books), it's almost impossible to penetrate stormtrooper armor with slugthrowers (Star Wars projectile weapons), while it offers way less protection against blaster bolts.
This means that, in Star Wars, blasters are likely significantly more powerful than projectile weapons. Depending on how Star Wars projectile weapons compare to 40k projectile weapons, this might mean blasters are also significantly more powerful than lasguns (since lasguns are roughly equivalent in power to autoguns).
But I think we can safely deduce that they are less powerful than bolters, so it puts them in the more powerful than a lasgun, less powerful than a bolter range. Not sure about there penetrating power though, as we don't really know how good imperial storm trooper armour is compared to carapace armour, tau combat armour, ect. Probably better than flak armour, for the fact that it's full cover if nothing else.
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sebster wrote: Yes, indeed. What a terrible piece of cultural imperialism it is for me to say that a country shouldn't murder its own citizens
BaronIveagh wrote: Basically they went from a carrot and stick to a smaller carrot and flanged mace.
raiden wrote: I'd rate storm trooper armor at 4+ like the more elite of the imperium.
If forced to put into TT stats...
Jedi- ws7, BS 5, str4, T4, W3, A4, I7 sv6+ LD 9
Ofc their lightsaber is ap2 fleshbane/armor bane
4++
3++ in close combat.
Master Jedi- WS 9 BS 5, str4, T4-5, W4, A6, I8, sv6+ LD10
3++ rerolling in close combat.
Unfortunately, there are very very few true Jedi Master..
For storm.troopers...
WS3, BS4 S3 T3 W1 A2 I3 sv4+ ld8
Imperial army trooper-
WS2 BS2 S3 T3 W1 A1 I3 sv5+ LD7 (8 for vet Sgts )
I get strength 4, but toughness 4? How does having a aptitude with the force make them as tough as armoured space marines and battlesuits? And BS 4 for storm troopers? BS3 is the trained human norm.
Maybe I'm looking too far into this
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kronk wrote: Every pizza is a personal sized pizza if you try hard enough and believe in yourself.
sebster wrote: Yes, indeed. What a terrible piece of cultural imperialism it is for me to say that a country shouldn't murder its own citizens
BaronIveagh wrote: Basically they went from a carrot and stick to a smaller carrot and flanged mace.
raiden wrote: I'd rate storm trooper armor at 4+ like the more elite of the imperium.
If forced to put into TT stats...
Jedi- ws7, BS 5, str4, T4, W3, A4, I7 sv6+ LD 9
Ofc their lightsaber is ap2 fleshbane/armor bane
4++
3++ in close combat.
Master Jedi- WS 9 BS 5, str4, T4-5, W4, A6, I8, sv6+ LD10
3++ rerolling in close combat.
Unfortunately, there are very very few true Jedi Master..
For storm.troopers...
WS3, BS4 S3 T3 W1 A2 I3 sv4+ ld8
Imperial army trooper-
WS2 BS2 S3 T3 W1 A1 I3 sv5+ LD7 (8 for vet Sgts )
I get strength 4, but toughness 4? How does having a aptitude with the force make them as tough as armoured space marines and battlesuits? And BS 4 for storm troopers? BS3 is the trained human norm.
raiden wrote: I'd rate storm trooper armor at 4+ like the more elite of the imperium.
If forced to put into TT stats...
Jedi- ws7, BS 5, str4, T4, W3, A4, I7 sv6+ LD 9
Ofc their lightsaber is ap2 fleshbane/armor bane
4++
3++ in close combat.
Master Jedi- WS 9 BS 5, str4, T4-5, W4, A6, I8, sv6+ LD10
3++ rerolling in close combat.
Unfortunately, there are very very few true Jedi Master..
For storm.troopers...
WS3, BS4 S3 T3 W1 A2 I3 sv4+ ld8
Imperial army trooper-
WS2 BS2 S3 T3 W1 A1 I3 sv5+ LD7 (8 for vet Sgts )
I get strength 4, but toughness 4? How does having a aptitude with the force make them as tough as armoured space marines and battlesuits? And BS 4 for storm troopers? BS3 is the trained human norm.
Maybe I'm looking too far into this
Jedi take some pretty nasty bumps, their power over the force enhances all aspects of their phsycial prowess, or so it would seem.
Veterans/stormtroopers (AM)/are the elite of the imperium, they are BS4
Stormtroopers (SW) are the elite of the empire, ergo BS4, at least.
Imperial army troopers (very equivalent to regular guardsman) are BS3
raiden wrote: I'd rate storm trooper armor at 4+ like the more elite of the imperium.
If forced to put into TT stats...
Jedi- ws7, BS 5, str4, T4, W3, A4, I7 sv6+ LD 9
Ofc their lightsaber is ap2 fleshbane/armor bane
4++
3++ in close combat.
Master Jedi- WS 9 BS 5, str4, T4-5, W4, A6, I8, sv6+ LD10
3++ rerolling in close combat.
Unfortunately, there are very very few true Jedi Master..
For storm.troopers...
WS3, BS4 S3 T3 W1 A2 I3 sv4+ ld8
Imperial army trooper-
WS2 BS2 S3 T3 W1 A1 I3 sv5+ LD7 (8 for vet Sgts )
I get strength 4, but toughness 4? How does having a aptitude with the force make them as tough as armoured space marines and battlesuits? And BS 4 for storm troopers? BS3 is the trained human norm.
Maybe I'm looking too far into this
To me it's BS2.
They just made their cover/plot armor saves. Nothing to do with shooting ability
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Good stats, except the lightsaber save. If it were true to the films It'd be more like 2++ on D100 for even a novice jedi. A master would be more like 2++ on D1000. Somewhat "unfun" for a tabletop game I know!
Furyou Miko wrote: Black Library books are just licensed fanfiction anyway. Kind of like Todd McCaffrey's pern novels.
Do you have any backup for this at all?
Black Library is a division of Games Workshop.
This is at the bottom of their website.
Yes. The Black Library tag means its licensed. The fact it was written by people other than the original author of the setting makes it fanfiction, especially given that all black library authors are fans of the setting.
This isn't a value debate. It's a linguistic one. The Black Library publish fiction written by fans of the setting. It is fan fiction.
Sometimes, they even edit it for cohesion with the rest of the published works.
The closest thing Black Library has to an "official author" is C.Z. Dunn, and that's because he happens to be on GW's bankroll as something other than a writer.
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Furyou Miko wrote: Black Library books are just licensed fanfiction anyway. Kind of like Todd McCaffrey's pern novels.
Do you have any backup for this at all?
Black Library is a division of Games Workshop.
This is at the bottom of their website.
Yes. The Black Library tag means its licensed. The fact it was written by people other than the original author of the setting makes it fanfiction, especially given that all black library authors are fans of the setting.
This isn't a value debate. It's a linguistic one. The Black Library publish fiction written by fans of the setting. It is fan fiction.
Sometimes, they even edit it for cohesion with the rest of the published works.
The closest thing Black Library has to an "official author" is C.Z. Dunn, and that's because he happens to be on GW's bankroll as something other than a writer.
Its not a linguistic fight, we are not talking about things are pronounced or where their language comes from.
This a debate between 40k and starwars.
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raiden wrote: I'd rate storm trooper armor at 4+ like the more elite of the imperium.
If forced to put into TT stats...
Jedi- ws7, BS 5, str4, T4, W3, A4, I7 sv6+ LD 9
Ofc their lightsaber is ap2 fleshbane/armor bane
4++
3++ in close combat.
(No +6)
Master Jedi- WS 9 BS 5, str4, T4-5, W4, A6, I8, sv6+ LD10
3++ rerolling in close combat. (++3? Okay that is ridicilious no.
+5)
Unfortunately, there are very very few true Jedi Master..
For storm.troopers...
WS3, BS4 S3 T3 W1 A2 I3 sv4+ ld8
Imperial army trooper-
WS2 BS2 S3 T3 W1 A1 I3 sv5+ LD7 (8 for vet Sgts )
Umm ws9 is impossible for a mortal being.
Also
It would mean their weapon skill is greater than a being that is over several thousand years old. WS of 9 is pretty fething high.
A4? No. A2 for a normal jedi Ballistic skill is skill with a rifle or long range. Most jedi do not use guns. How the helk would they be better than men who have trained for years in combat service?
Toughness 4 means that they have a hardened shell around them. No that doesn't mean that at all. T3, they are not super humans with higher bone density and exoskeletons.
Good stats, except the lightsaber save. If it were true to the films It'd be more like 2++ on D100 for even a novice jedi. A master would be more like 2++ on D1000. Somewhat "unfun" for a tabletop game I know!
What. a ++2 save? so a Harliquen and an Autarch of the Eldar are worse than a jedi master? umm. No.
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Lightsabers are s- user, ap1, armorbane, melta, and fleshbane a a 4+ save to those equipped with them or allow rerolls of failed invulnerable saves if they already had one.
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-"Toughness" - T3 base. FnP 5+ when focusing on it.
-Lightsaber - 4++ parry (invuln), with Precog up its rerollable. Masters have a 3++ instead.
-WS - Superhuman. 5 for Jedi, 6 for Jedi Masters.
They're basically Farseers with access to a wider variety of much weaker powers. But in a universe where having said powers are rare.
(Fully cybernetic'ed up Sith would be Librarian a equivalents.)
-"Toughness" - T3 base. FnP 5+ when focusing on it. -Lightsaber - 4++ parry (invuln), with Precog up its rerollable. Masters have a 3++ instead. -WS - Superhuman. 5 for Jedi, 6 for Jedi Masters.
They're basically Farseers with access to a wider variety of much weaker powers. But in a universe where having said powers are rare.
(Fully cybernetic'ed up Sith would be Librarian a equivalents.)
Their invulnerability saves are better than normal shields. You are comparing another game mechanic with another.
ugh So a galaxy far in the future where armor is a must for anyone someone a guy in a robe has a better chance of survival than a soldier or an Assassin?
Yep totally believable.
Or helk how they are just as good as Farseers. You know that is not fanboyism right there
I highly doubt that Jedi can conjure up storms and grip their hands through the warp and kill people with just a thought. Or predict the future to such a degree that they are always correct, and then being able to change it.
not even yoda or Luke Skywalker could do that. They are not precogs.
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Good stats, except the lightsaber save. If it were true to the films It'd be more like 2++ on D100 for even a novice jedi. A master would be more like 2++ on D1000. Somewhat "unfun" for a tabletop game I know!
What. a ++2 save? so a Harliquen and an Autarch of the Eldar are worse than a jedi master? umm. No.
As I said "if it were true to their abilities as depicted in the films." I'm not suggesting a 2+ on a 100 sided dice would be practical for application in 40k, just that that is a more accurate representation of their abilities. They don't deflect 50% of incoming shots ( which woud constitute a 4+ save), its more like 99.5%. and that's just the regular Jedi. So ummmm. Yes!
The only time I've seen them die to blaster blaster fire is
a) when they have so many shots coming at them at once that it's impossible to block
b) when they're unaware of the danger, or otherwise distracted, which is a rare thing.
They are however vulnerable to explosive munitions, and waves of energy like the Geonisians sonic guns seen in episode 2,
In summary they should have an amazing base save and a worse invulnerable, the represent them being able to deflect massed small arms fire.
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