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Too bad they changed it. Are they still capable of the same feats by modern lore?
Nope! They are no where near close. Like the newer jedi stuff sorta of.
I am sorry but that is simply not correct. That would not even represent the higher end of what Jedi are capable of. The fact that they started to make a shoddy children's show did not shift the power curve of what Jedi can do.
As for the bigger picture. Comparing different universes is silly since they are incompatible.
One thing about 40k that always spoke to me was just how over-the-top the problems really are. There is nothing that can just show up and fix things.
Its a galaxy where, even when fielding Jedi (Librarians), super soldiers (Marines), super ninjas (assassins), massive armor (Titans), *and* unthinkable numbers of troops (IG), Mankind is still losing.
Take Jedi. Add Robotech. Add an army of Captain Americas. Add Guardians of the Galaxy. Add BattleStar Galactica. Add most other "reasonable" (fuzzy term, necessarily) forces. Make them all work together. And the galaxy is still crumbling.
There is no hope for victory.
There is only hope to beat destruction back. For one more day.
That is the core of the 40k universe to me.
So I suppose I've always felt I've known how Jedi compare to the 40k universe. Although, clearly, its hard to be objective on this, when my position is critical to my understanding of the universe.
Too bad they changed it. Are they still capable of the same feats by modern lore?
Nope! They are no where near close. Like the newer jedi stuff sorta of.
I am sorry but that is simply not correct. That would not even represent the higher end of what Jedi are capable of. The fact that they started to make a shoddy children's show did not shift the power curve of what Jedi can do.
As for the bigger picture. Comparing different universes is silly since they are incompatible.
The best thing jedi can do in the movies is nothing compared to the television show, the CGI Star Wars and Movie Star Wars are the only canon left.
So yes they are not that owerful at all compared to the cartoon.
Also "silly cartoon" is a bit too far as many people really love that TV series you are talking about. I don't think calling a show with excellent animation silly is a great thing to do or say. As I am pretty sure none of us here could even try replicate that show at all.
From whom are unforgiven we bring the mercy of war.
Too bad they changed it. Are they still capable of the same feats by modern lore?
Nope! They are no where near close. Like the newer jedi stuff sorta of.
I am sorry but that is simply not correct. That would not even represent the higher end of what Jedi are capable of. The fact that they started to make a shoddy children's show did not shift the power curve of what Jedi can do.
As for the bigger picture. Comparing different universes is silly since they are incompatible.
The best thing jedi can do in the movies is nothing compared to the television show, the CGI Star Wars and Movie Star Wars are the only canon left.
So yes they are not that owerful at all compared to the cartoon.
Also "silly cartoon" is a bit too far as many people really love that TV series you are talking about. I don't think calling a show with excellent animation silly is a great thing to do or say. As I am pretty sure none of us here could even try replicate that show at all.
So, any reason at all why only the movies and CGI are considered canon? Or is this just another arbitrary claim with nothing at all to back it up?
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Too bad they changed it. Are they still capable of the same feats by modern lore?
Nope! They are no where near close. Like the newer jedi stuff sorta of.
I am sorry but that is simply not correct. That would not even represent the higher end of what Jedi are capable of. The fact that they started to make a shoddy children's show did not shift the power curve of what Jedi can do.
As for the bigger picture. Comparing different universes is silly since they are incompatible.
The best thing jedi can do in the movies is nothing compared to the television show, the CGI Star Wars and Movie Star Wars are the only canon left.
So yes they are not that owerful at all compared to the cartoon.
Also "silly cartoon" is a bit too far as many people really love that TV series you are talking about. I don't think calling a show with excellent animation silly is a great thing to do or say. As I am pretty sure none of us here could even try replicate that show at all.
So, any reason at all why only the movies and CGI are considered canon? Or is this just another arbitrary claim with nothing at all to back it up?
While the Jedi are powerful, it is generally a theme that, apart from the 2 Skywalkers (Anakin & Luke) in the recent era of the setting, both Sith and Jedi have been getting progressively weaker in the Force as time has gone on.
Even Luke admits that he is but a "child" compared to the Masters of the Old Republic when it comes to lightsaber ability.
It is best to be a pessimist. You are usually right and, when you're wrong, you're pleasantly surprised.
Psienesis wrote: While the Jedi are powerful, it is generally a theme that, apart from the 2 Skywalkers (Anakin & Luke) in the recent era of the setting, both Sith and Jedi have been getting progressively weaker in the Force as time has gone on.
Even Luke admits that he is but a "child" compared to the Masters of the Old Republic when it comes to lightsaber ability.
Hmm. So current jedi would get slaughtered. If I remember right we are facing the current star wars universe.
From whom are unforgiven we bring the mercy of war.
That's even further supported *in* the Old Republic, as Kreia says to Revan:
"If you were to face an ancient Sith lord in combat, you would learn that we are as children playing with toys compared to the prowess of the old masters."
Which is a line mirrored by Skywalker in the NJO.
It is best to be a pessimist. You are usually right and, when you're wrong, you're pleasantly surprised.
Psienesis wrote: That's even further supported *in* the Old Republic, as Kreia says to Revan:
"If you were to face an ancient Sith lord in combat, you would learn that we are as children playing with toys compared to the prowess of the old masters."
Which is a line mirrored by Skywalker in the NJO.
Oh I remember those lines . Surprisingly thats why I think its funny when people say the imperium is technological regressive and then the starwars universe has been stuck at their technology for... How long?
From whom are unforgiven we bring the mercy of war.
Ratflinger wrote: So, any reason at all why only the movies and CGI are considered canon? Or is this just another arbitrary claim with nothing at all to back it up?
Thats all that is canon in the starwars universe. Sadly REpublic Commando and Star Wars Clone Wars (Cartoon) are nolonger canon.
The Cartoon was replaced by the CGI. As the events were taking on at the same time and do not fit what was going on with the CGI.
One problem. The wiki itself is not canon. Therefore that list may not be a canon list of what is canon.
Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
Orks always ride in single file to hide their strength and numbers.
Gozer the Gozerian, Gozer the Destructor, Volguus Zildrohar, Gozer the Traveler, and Lord of the Sebouillia
Because he said so. That's all there is to it, he's ignoring the official statement from the IP owner on the subject in favor of quoting a wikipedia article that just happens to support his "no EU" opinion.
There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices.
Because Peregrine has used the line 40k is nothing but headcanon.
To throw back to that we limited it so that you can't use the EU. AS much as the EU is interesting, the galatic empire and new republic were almost wiped out by the Vong invasion. Hence why we don't want to use it. The Republic really can't be used at all either. WE are only use what is happening currently in the movies. Other wise if used anything forward they would be far too weak to defend themselves, if we go back, where the jedi are at their height we would also have alot of technological regression, and star wars universe would be dead pretty quickly. It is a bit more fair to have them at specific points of time, instead all over time. Otherwise 40k would be allowed the same allowance. And then we would see primarchs fighting jedi. (Which would be pretty cool, now I am imagining mace windu vs The Lion) Ah good times. But we do know that the Imperium of man is at its weakest during the 36 and 41st millenia. the 38th and 39th were its strongest periods. (apart from the 33rd). The Imperium is not something to be messed with though. As we are seeing all parts and factions of the 40k universe converging on the star wars universe.
Plus the EU has certain parts that were interesting alot of the card games are actual canon still. (as far as I remember) But I was so pissed when that announcement came.
THe more interesting part is that the only point of time I could think of that would be a massive threat to the Imperium was probably during the Great Sith Wars or during the Old Republic (Knights of the Oldest Republic) or the Sith War being probably the most coolest part of starwars. And... Its not canon. Yep, everything made by Bioware is not even canon. You can see why I would prefer to see that.
Because he said so. That's all there is to it, he's ignoring the official statement from the IP owner on the subject in favor of quoting a wikipedia article that just happens to support his "no EU" opinion.
What the official fans of starwars that say that are apparently biased? OH my goodness. Its like as if everything is pointing to my opinion being right, and backed up by the starwars official website. Oh you are misreading what they actually said. They said everything up to this point that is not part of the starwars movies and what they have listed as actual canon. They will use it, but that doesn't mean they are actually canon. What is canon in the starwars universe is very specific on its canonicity. If it is not listed, then it is not canon. They have different levels of canon, which means that certain parts of the lore are to be taken with massive grains of salt or sometimes entire cups of it.
Trust me I would much rather prefer seeing the EU being used as some of my most favorite characters are from the EU.
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Didn't OP say "all" of Star Wars? If so that includes non-canon material such as Luke's story about his hand versus Palpatine's foot. It also includes Han's trial for shooting Greedo.
Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
Orks always ride in single file to hide their strength and numbers.
Gozer the Gozerian, Gozer the Destructor, Volguus Zildrohar, Gozer the Traveler, and Lord of the Sebouillia
Which is true. GW has no (public) policy on what is and isn't canon in 40k, so all you can do is try to assemble your own version of "canon". I have no idea why you think this applies to other settings where the IP owner has an official policy on what is and isn't canon.
Oh you are misreading what they actually said. They said everything up to this point that is not part of the starwars movies and what they have listed as actual canon. They will use it, but that doesn't mean they are actually canon. What is canon in the starwars universe is very specific on its canonicity. If it is not listed, then it is not canon. They have different levels of canon, which means that certain parts of the lore are to be taken with massive grains of salt or sometimes entire cups of it.
"Taken with salt" =/= "no longer canon". The EU is canon unless it directly conflicts with the movies, and Disney has done nothing to change this policy. But hey, at least now you've accepted that Disney kept the EU in its second-tier state and abandoned your absurd "they got rid of all of it" claims.
There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices.
Happyjew wrote: Didn't OP say "all" of Star Wars? If so that includes non-canon material such as Luke's story about his hand versus Palpatine's foot. It also includes Han's trial for shooting Greedo.
He changed partialy through the thing and even said only a particular time period. So we wouldn't see any of the Crazy EU stuff.
Hence why we should agree on a certain time and ignore alot of the EU was gakky, but very few point of it were actually any good. Though I could name a few.
Which is true. GW has no (public) policy on what is and isn't canon in 40k, so all you can do is try to assemble your own version of "canon". I have no idea why you think this applies to other settings where the IP owner has an official policy on what is and isn't canon.
Oh you are misreading what they actually said. They said everything up to this point that is not part of the starwars movies and what they have listed as actual canon. They will use it, but that doesn't mean they are actually canon. What is canon in the starwars universe is very specific on its canonicity. If it is not listed, then it is not canon. They have different levels of canon, which means that certain parts of the lore are to be taken with massive grains of salt or sometimes entire cups of it.
"Taken with salt" =/= "no longer canon". The EU is canon unless it directly conflicts with the movies, and Disney has done nothing to change this policy. But hey, at least now you've accepted that Disney kept the EU in its second-tier state and abandoned your absurd "they got rid of all of it" claims.
Thats always been my belief. I never said completely That it is as is, and I even complained quite a bit about. Until you showed me that article where my mind was kind of changed. The thing is that we have to agree on something or else we are going to go in this circle which we have been doing for the past few pages. We have to have some canon in 40k or else nothing will be accomplished. Plus I have been thinking about the subject for a bit and had a sort of think while I was reading lovecraft.
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Well, no? I mean, even before the recent removal of all non-film/non-television sources from the canon, the novels and such were fairly low-ranking on the canon totem pole.
It is best to be a pessimist. You are usually right and, when you're wrong, you're pleasantly surprised.
The problem is, even if we do come to an agreement on what is canon, we still have no way of calculating numbers for 40K.
For example, one argument that I've seen before is that Lasguns are more powerful than blasters. So my question would be - how much energy does a single Lasgun shot put out?
Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
Orks always ride in single file to hide their strength and numbers.
Gozer the Gozerian, Gozer the Destructor, Volguus Zildrohar, Gozer the Traveler, and Lord of the Sebouillia
Asherian Command wrote: We have to have some canon in 40k or else nothing will be accomplished.
Yes, of course you have to decide what 40k is before you can answer the question of whether 40k can beat Star Wars. The problem, however, is that in the absence of an official canon policy there's no unbiased way to do it. To resolve all of the conflicting sources you have to do things like decide what the power level of a bolter is and then dismiss any examples which are above or below that level. And at that point you are essentially just saying "40k wins/loses against Star Wars" and then setting a canon policy that supports your opinion.
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Psienesis wrote: Well, no? I mean, even before the recent removal of all non-film/non-television sources from the canon, the novels and such were fairly low-ranking on the canon totem pole.
There was no removal, and those sources are/were only "low-ranking" in that any contradiction with the movies is resolved in favor of the movie. Otherwise they were canon, and Disney seems to have continued this policy.
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Happyjew wrote: The problem is, even if we do come to an agreement on what is canon, we still have no way of calculating numbers for 40K.
For example, one argument that I've seen before is that Lasguns are more powerful than blasters. So my question would be - how much energy does a single Lasgun shot put out?
There are two ways to answer that question, once you decide what is canon and which sources take priority if there's a conflict:
1) Explicit numbers, if you're lucky enough to have them. If a source says "X joules per shot" then you know the answer. The same thing applies to calculated numbers that don't require assumptions. For example, if you know the muzzle velocity and mass of a bullet you know how much energy it has.
2) Assumptions based on demonstrated effects. Ideally you want a shot against a target of known composition ("the lasgun shot vaporized a fist-sized crater in the steel wall"), but you can still make reasonable approximations with other evidence. The value of this depends on how many assumptions you have to make and how reasonable the evidence is to support them.
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There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices.
Happyjew wrote: The problem is, even if we do come to an agreement on what is canon, we still have no way of calculating numbers for 40K.
For example, one argument that I've seen before is that Lasguns are more powerful than blasters. So my question would be - how much energy does a single Lasgun shot put out?
I might need to dig up Ivan's calculations for that. AS he did a calculation of how much power would needed to be used in order to punch clean through someones torso. He also calculated quite a bit after that. The guy was quite an oddity. Kind of miss him really.
We can calculate by how much power takes to punch straight through armor or a person. Or how much newtons or how much kinetic energy is needed to do that clean through. They are said to leave literal holes in their targets.
Blasters so far don't really do that. But we have to calculate both. But I can't do it because I am not a mathematician.
Yes, of course you have to decide what 40k is before you can answer the question of whether 40k can beat Star Wars. The problem, however, is that in the absence of an official canon policy there's no unbiased way to do it. To resolve all of the conflicting sources you have to do things like decide what the power level of a bolter is and then dismiss any examples which are above or below that level. And at that point you are essentially just saying "40k wins/loses against Star Wars" and then setting a canon policy that supports your opinion.
What don't you get about the word we? Did I say I? I said we have to. We usually for these debates only look at the offical fluff of 40k that is owned by gamesworkshop and black library and forgeworld. Anything that is not part of that list is not canon.
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Psienesis wrote: Well, no? I mean, even before the recent removal of all non-film/non-television sources from the canon, the novels and such were fairly low-ranking on the canon totem pole.
if only Peregrine listened to that but he hasn't.
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Gamgee wrote: Star Wars. The math in it is just so much higher. It would wipe the floor with 40k.
A light turbolaser puts out unimaginable more firepower than some of the heaviest of super heavy guns on 40k ships. It is fairly unimpressive armament by all accounts in the Star Wars universe. Something that even the tiny Corellian Corvette has several of. You know in A New Hope the ship the ISD is chasing in the opening scene? Yea that little ship could blow apart most of the ships in the Imperium solo and not even break a sweat.
Now imagine what an Imperial Star Destroy II would do. Or a Super Star Destroyer. No such ships of that firepower wouldn't be needed. Even the smaller Victory I class Star Destroyers would have its way with pretty much any Imperium ship.
The manufacturing output, speed, firepower, and the force all give the Star Wars galaxy an insane edge over the 40k one.
This. The Navies from SW are too much better. Couple it with reliable FTL travel, shielding, and catstrophic weapons, I don't think much in 40k competes. Say what you want about Stormtroopers, they beat guard all day
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Asherian Command wrote: What don't you get about the word we? Did I say I? I said we have to.
Whether it's you or me or whoever doing the selection the problem is the same: there is no official canon policy, sources frequently contradict each other, and figuring out a single version of 40k to use essentially means asking "do I want 40k to win or lose this fight" and then picking the sources that support your/my/our/whatever preference to be canon.
We usually for these debates only look at the offical fluff of 40k that is owned by gamesworkshop and black library and forgeworld.
That's nice. Why should we use those sources? And how do we resolve conflicts between those sources?
Anything that is not part of that list is not canon.
And, once again, you are wrong. There is no separation of "canon" and "not canon" according to the IP owner.
if only Peregrine listened to that but he hasn't.
Why should I listen to fan theories about what is and isn't canon when I can just look at what the IP owner has said?
There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices.
Gamgee wrote: Star Wars. The math in it is just so much higher. It would wipe the floor with 40k.
A light turbolaser puts out unimaginable more firepower than some of the heaviest of super heavy guns on 40k ships. It is fairly unimpressive armament by all accounts in the Star Wars universe. Something that even the tiny Corellian Corvette has several of. You know in A New Hope the ship the ISD is chasing in the opening scene? Yea that little ship could blow apart most of the ships in the Imperium solo and not even break a sweat.
Now imagine what an Imperial Star Destroy II would do. Or a Super Star Destroyer. No such ships of that firepower wouldn't be needed. Even the smaller Victory I class Star Destroyers would have its way with pretty much any Imperium ship.
The manufacturing output, speed, firepower, and the force all give the Star Wars galaxy an insane edge over the 40k one.
This. The Navies from SW are too much better. Couple it with reliable FTL travel, shielding, and catstrophic weapons, I don't think much in 40k competes. Say what you want about Stormtroopers, they beat guard all day
What how did you get to that conclusion? THe Imperial Navy has fairly large ships plus this canon....
The destructive power of a nova cannon is enough to crack through a planets crust.
All the weapons of the Imperium are pretty freaking power.
That's nice. Why should we use those sources? And how do we resolve conflicts between those sources?
Whichever one is newest. Duh.
And, once again, you are wrong. There is no separation of "canon" and "not canon" according to the IP owner.
George Lucas is not the canonicty or IP holder.
Why should I listen to fan theories about what is and isn't canon when I can just look at what the IP owner has said?
Because they don't hold the IP
From whom are unforgiven we bring the mercy of war.
1) Please cite GW policy that newer sources replace older ones. Or is this another case of you inventing your own canon policies and trying to pretend that they're more than just your personal opinions?
2) So if CS Goto wrote another book with space marines using multilasers instead of bolters and fighting against Tyranids armed with multilasers you would discard all of the previous sources where marines use bolters, simply because the multilaser source is newer?
George Lucas is not the canonicty or IP holder.
George Lucas is also not the source of that information.
Anyway, that statement was about canon in 40k, not in Star Wars. There is no separation of 40k material into "canon" and "non-canon". You can have your personal preferences about what you want to incorporate into your version of 40k, but they have no authority behind them.
There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices.
Anything with the Gamesworkshop seal is offically endorsed by Gamesworkshop. So that throws out that canocity of 40k being unable to have canon. If you ignore that then you are just making it up. That is their official status. Anything that is outdated or rewritten is replaced by the newer codexess. Its not my idea it is what is assumed. If you do not assume that you are just willfully ignoring it. Gamesworkshop lore is similar to tiers of starwars.
Though the obvious policy is usually everything is canon, but not everything is true.
Asherian Command wrote: Anything with the Gamesworkshop seal is offically endorsed by Gamesworkshop. So that throws out that canocity of 40k being unable to have canon. If you ignore that then you are just making it up. That is their official status. Anything that is outdated or rewritten is replaced by the newer codexess. Its not my idea it is what is assumed. If you do not assume that you are just willfully ignoring it. Gamesworkshop lore is similar to tiers of starwars.
Though the obvious policy is usually everything is canon, but not everything is true.
As for the bigger picture. Comparing different universes is silly since they are incompatible.
What happened to fun?
Peregrine.
Lol.
Well I do think that the stardestrpyer website has some pretty good assessments of power levels of weapons and production capabilities of the empire which , lets face it, is the only real contender here.
So ill list what they've got going for them:
Massed produced cloning technology
Vast array of battle Droid technology types.
Large access to FTL travel.
Force users.
Standing armies.
Super Star Destroyers and Death Star technology
Vast production capabilities galactic wide.
???
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Asherian Command wrote: Anything with the Gamesworkshop seal is offically endorsed by Gamesworkshop. So that throws out that canocity of 40k being unable to have canon. If you ignore that then you are just making it up. That is their official status. Anything that is outdated or rewritten is replaced by the newer codexess. Its not my idea it is what is assumed. If you do not assume that you are just willfully ignoring it. Gamesworkshop lore is similar to tiers of starwars.
Though the obvious policy is usually everything is canon, but not everything is true.
As for the bigger picture. Comparing different universes is silly since they are incompatible.
What happened to fun?
Peregrine.
Lol.
Well I do think that the stardestrpyer website has some pretty good assessments of power levels of weapons and production capabilities of the empire which , lets face it, is the only real contender here.
So ill list what they've got going for them:
Massed produced cloning technology
Vast array of battle Droid technology types.
Large access to FTL travel.
Force users.
Standing armies.
Super Star Destroyers and Death Star technology
Vast production capabilities galactic wide.
???
Problem Clone facilities were dismantled after the clone wars.
Also they rebeled so that throws that out.
Only four super star destroyers in existance.
Death Star only two. One was flawed.
Vast production capabilities unforunately was put down by rebels. Many shipyards were attacked and heavily damaged.
Very few force users left in the empire.. Dark Apperentices were not powerful and were just used as assassins and hunted down rogue jedi, but were very few in number.
FTL is useful but takes short bursts, they can't do a single jump to halfway across the galaxy. (check star wars for that because that is true)
FTL cannot be near other targets and cannot be used near planets and gravity wells. (40k this is not the case isntead they just appear.))
Standing armies were quite spread out and were not that well trained, their most elite were killed by ewoks.
Vast array of battle droids? Lore? Any support for this?
Warhammer 40k:
Vast array of armies, and regiments
Space Marines
Large array of cloning faculities (Alot of other things point to this being true.
Five Major Fleets that are manufactured quite easily. (Cobra vessels can be built in a few days)
Starports are massive as large as a moon. (Starports are eighteen times larger than a basic dreadnought of the Imperium, they have enough firepower to hold entire star systems)
The Church of the Emperor (Very powerful could convert other sand indoctrinate
Adminsitration (Very powerful and over encompassing able to pass orders in seconds.
Experience (You will never find an imperial general who hasn't fought against a Xenos or other humans, an are often pretty well accomadated
Pyskers (Pyskers are able to do many things, Primus pyskers are standard in imperial guard regiments and the various types of equipment the imperium uses is very interesting)
(Technology is often advancing fairly quickly. Some believe the imperium might slowly make more landspeeder like vechiles as they are cheap and easy to use.
Assassin corps
Inqusition
Grey Knights
Black Ships,
Custodes,
Skitarri Legions, Titan Legions, (large array of titans and skitarri)
Imperial Airforce, (large fleet of these, varies from thunderbolt to the fast Falcons)
From whom are unforgiven we bring the mercy of war.
The technologies for cloning as well as every variant battle Droid used by the separatists are available technologies and wait how are you saying they dismantled the clones because they rebelled? Is the 501st campaign in Battlefront II canon? Because if that VIDEO GAME is canon, but my books aren't then I might just hunt Disney's head executives down and claim a few more skulls for the skull throne...
I see no evidence for the rebels destroying the productive capabilities of the empire any back up for this?
Also Ewoks are the bastard child of Chuck Norris and a grizzly bear so that doesnt count.
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DoomShakaLaka wrote: The technologies for cloning as well as every variant battle Droid used by the separatists are available technologies and wait how are you saying they dismantled the clones because they rebelled? Is the 501st campaign in Battlefront II canon? Because if that VIDEO GAME is canon, but my books aren't then I might just hunt Disney's head executives down and claim a few more skulls for the skull throne...
I see no evidence for the rebels destroying the productive capabilities of the empire any back up for this?
Also Ewoks are the bastard child of Chuck Norris and a grizzly bear so that doesnt count.
Yes all of battlefront is canon still! I actually jumped for joy. I think that is still canon. But it was supposed to be covered the CGI clone wars.
I know right? I would hate it. But battlefront is canon. (I don't know if the first two are) but the newer one is.
Rebels the TV show has them doing that. But eh.
Ewoks are somehow able to throw spears into said elite troopers and hit them with rocks and somehow that kills them?
Remember according to the lore the Clones became phased out after the clone wars. The 501st become less and less in number in terms of clones.
also on evidence
Many years into the reign of the evil Galactic Empire, a small band of rebels, led by Kanan Jarrus, did their part to strike against Imperial tyranny. Flying the starship Ghost, the ragtag crew performed a series of daring raiding missions on imperial supply ships, hoping to capture their cargo and deliver them to the growing resistance...
This suggests that the Imperials were being raided constantly by rebels.
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. Surprisingly thats why I think its funny when people say the imperium is technological regressive and then the starwars universe has been stuck at their technology for... How long?
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