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Wolf Lord.
Thunderwolf Mount, Krakenbone sword, digital weapons.
WS 6, BS 5, S 6, T 5, W 4, I 5, 3+/4++
6 attacks, 7 on the charge at initiative 5, AP 2.
Gets to reroll one failed attack, and 1 failed wound.

 pretre wrote:

 morganfreeman wrote:

 vipoid wrote:
I pity any Dark Eldar players in this tournament...

Orks too, don't forget the Orks. :[

No invulnerable save, no EW, no at initiative armor piercing options.

Zhadsnark has at init power klaw.

He also has a 6+ save and 3 wounds.

To put that in perspective, most generic DE heroes would have a pretty good chance of putting him down before he got to swing that klaw in a duel. Generic Dark Eldar HQ's will probably kill him in a 1v1.

Hey, I was just saying there is an at initiative option.

If you want a turn one charge the Solitaire can be somewhat beefy. Low toughness and strength but they are somewhat mitigated by 3+ invulnerable, eternal warrior and other useful abilities.

I find him great against characters but he sucks against hordes.

He only sits at 145 points. Also you can use his hit and run which is great for getting in extra charges.

A few suggestions (Iron Hands):

Captain
Gorgon's Chain
Bike
Thunder hammer
Lightning claw
200pts

Alternatively;

Libby
Bike
Mindforge Stave (force thunder hammer that's not specialist)
Master level 2
Gorgon chain
Betrayer's bane
195pts

The libby rolls on Biomancy, hoping for either Endurance or Iron Arm. Life Leech is also acceptably amazing.

You then have a 3+/3++ with 5+ FNP.
Endurance gives a 4+ FNP, +1 for tactics and +1 for Gorgon chain make a 2+.

If you are allowed warlord traits and you roll a 3 on Raukaan, that's another +1 to your FNP for a 1+ FNP

With the captain, you can have (potentially) 4+ FNP with the warlord trait.


Enjoy.
Of course, our store owner house-ruled a 1 to fail FNP rolls.

"Smashfether Lite"
Space Marines Captain

Chains of the Gorgon
Thunder hammer
Lightning claw
Motorcycle

200 pts

Use the Clan Raukaan supplement with Iron Hands chapter tactics. He can basically outlast and kill any non-Primarch. If you roll the right Raukaan warlord trait (assuming you're using warlord traits) you'll have a 3+/3++/4+++ save with 3 wounds of IWND regeneration and Eternal Warrior. He can use either the thunder hammer or the lightning claw, depending on opponent (choosing between AP3 and Shred and AP2 with Unwieldy and Concussive).

 j31c3n wrote:
"Smashfether Lite"
Space Marines Captain
Clan Raukaan supplement

Chains of the Gorgon
Thunder hammer
Lightning claw
Motorcycle
Digital weapons

200 pts

He can basically outlast and kill any non-Primarch. If you roll the right Raukaan warlord trait (assuming you're using warlord traits) you'll have a 2+/3++/4+++ save with 3 wounds of IWND regeneration and Eternal Warrior. He can use either the thunder hammer or the lightning claw, depending on opponent (choosing between AP3 and Shred and AP2 with Unwieldy and Concussive).

Unless I've miscounted, I do believe that's 210pts.

If 200 points exactly is allowed, Jain Zar wins.
-Standard Phoenix Lord Statline (Eternal Warrior, 2+ save)
-Blade of Destruction: AP2 at I7, S4 Shred
-Silent Death: 12" S4 AP2 Assault 4
-Mask of Jain Zar: No overwatch, enemies get -5 WS/Initiative
-Disarming Strike: See that nice weapon you have? You can't use it.

Oh, and she moves a minimum of 12" a turn, maximum of 18". Can reliably charge you through terrain at initiative from 10" away.

Failing her, Maugan Ra. Exactly the same durability, but shoots everything to death. 195 points.

the solitaire is unfortunately an elites choice.

 bullyboy wrote:
the solitaire is unfortunately an elites choice.

Harlequins are screwed then as they have no HQ choice.

It's going to be an eldar naturally, simply put they have pretty much the best units in every category across all codecies. With very few exceptions.

They have the best troops, some of the better tanks in his heavy ,best fasts bar none, best elites, and perhaps the best lord of war choice.

Which would be why I disqualify them from the list as no sane person would think of taking playing eldar with most armies seriously. Basically if your not a necron or a codex marine you might as well surrender t1 and call it an evening. Other armies can't stack up to the sheer level of nonsense that they can produce.

When the other armies update? Maybe but we don't deal in maybe's. So disqualifying the best at everything codex it would probably be. Necron lord or smash captain of some kind vRying of course on intended role. But in challenges they would be my picks of the litter disqualifying me perfect on grounds of him being too good for consideration.

 TheNewBlood wrote:
If 200 points exactly is allowed, Jain Zar wins.
-Standard Phoenix Lord Statline (Eternal Warrior, 2+ save)
-Blade of Destruction: AP2 at I7, S4 Shred
-Silent Death: 12" S4 AP2 Assault 4
-Mask of Jain Zar: No overwatch, enemies get -5 WS/Initiative
-Disarming Strike: See that nice weapon you have? You can't use it.

Oh, and she moves a minimum of 12" a turn, maximum of 18". Can reliably charge you through terrain at initiative from 10" away.

Failing her, Maugan Ra. Exactly the same durability, but shoots everything to death. 195 points.

She was my first thought too. Her biggest disadvantage is that she lacks an invul, so she might get shot up if she isn't allowed to make it into melee, but only if multiple people decide to go after her at once. But if this is a "mosh pit" rather than a 1v1 type thing, I think it's pretty much going to come down to whomever doesn't get focused on right away. That said, any sort of vehicular HQ (Bjorn maybe? Perhaps a 'cron lord in that weird command barge?) will give her a little trouble, but I'm pretty sure she can at least glance most such threats. I'm also pretty sure those threats will get targeted first. >_>

 Happyjew wrote:

 bullyboy wrote:
the solitaire is unfortunately an elites choice.

Harlequins are screwed then as they have no HQ choice.

OP said characters and HQ are allowed as long as they are usually taken as their own choice.

Hmm would a Tank Commander be allowed? Would probably be the most durable character there..

 Frozocrone wrote:
Hmm would a Tank Commander be allowed? Would probably be the most durable character there..

Until they get to melee and just punch/krak it in the Rear Armour.

Also, you technically need another Russ in the squadron to take a Tank Commander, so that would be impossible in 200pts. Unless you took a Company Command Tank from the Armoured Battle Group list.

Bjorn is 220 points.

 Ond Angel wrote:

 j31c3n wrote:
"Smashfether Lite"
Space Marines Captain

Chains of the Gorgon
Thunder hammer
Lightning claw
Motorcycle


200 pts

Use the Clan Raukaan supplement with Iron Hands chapter tactics. He can basically outlast and kill any non-Primarch. If you roll the right Raukaan warlord trait (assuming you're using warlord traits) you'll have a 3+/3++/4+++ save with 3 wounds of IWND regeneration and Eternal Warrior. He can use either the thunder hammer or the lightning claw, depending on opponent (choosing between AP3 and Shred and AP2 with Unwieldy and Concussive).

Unless I've miscounted, I do believe that's 210pts.

You are correct, I misread a points value in the new codex. Amended to remove digital weapons.

 ionusx wrote:
It's going to be an eldar naturally, simply put they have pretty much the best units in every category across all codecies. With very few exceptions.

They have the best troops, some of the better tanks in his heavy ,best fasts bar none, best elites, and perhaps the best lord of war choice.

Which would be why I disqualify them from the list as no sane person would think of taking playing eldar with most armies seriously. Basically if your not a necron or a codex marine you might as well surrender t1 and call it an evening. Other armies can't stack up to the sheer level of nonsense that they can produce.

When the other armies update? Maybe but we don't deal in maybe's. So disqualifying the best at everything codex it would probably be. Necron lord or smash captain of some kind vRying of course on intended role. But in challenges they would be my picks of the litter disqualifying me perfect on grounds of him being too good for consideration.

Bitter much?

There are plenty of reasonable Eldar lists and player out there. You'll just have to look harder on this website to find them. Take away the biggest offenders (ranged D, Scatbikers, the Wraithknight) Eldar are quite balanced against other armies.

And just to prove my point, here's somebody with a fighting chance against Jain Zar:

Chaos Lord
-Mark of Nurgle
-Bike
-Sigil of Corruption
-2x Power Fists
-Gift of Mutation
-Combat Familiar

Total: 200 points. This basically turns into a giant slap fight between them. He also stands a good chance against everything else too.

I think Jain Zar would win this one. Her debuff is awesome and shes at initiative.

 EmpNortonII wrote:
Against the shootier options, might not be bad to field a Crisis Commander with Iridium armor, two plasma rifles (since everything with have EW, no point to bring melta), two shield drones, NSJ, PEN, VRR, Stim Injector, and maybe the Onager Guantlet for the last 5 points.

try instead:
Crisis Commander
2 Plasma Rifles, Drone Controller, Vectored Retro Thrusters, 2 Gun Drones
Multi-spectrum Sensor Suite, Onager Gauntlet, Repulsor Impact Field, Failsafe Detonator, Neuroweb System Jammer
199 pts.

 Icculus wrote:
I think Jain Zar would win this one. Her debuff is awesome and shes at initiative.

I think the Smashfether builds in this thread would wreck her, as they all have Eternal Warrior and regenerating wounds through IWND with a hefty invulnerable save plus FNP on a 5+ or better. She only gets that WS debuff during the first phase of assault and her disarm only affects one weapon - Smashfether has two.

Just give me money already option: Daemon Prince of Nurgle w/ wings just stay in swooping for whole game and vector strike.

Blood for the Blood God option (the one you should go for): Chaos Lord of Khorne w/ Juggernaut of Khorne, Sigil of Corruption + Blade of Endless Bloodshed + Plasma Gun + Ichor Blood. Hit people with BOEB untill you can turn your self into a BT and when you have your last wound do so and in the mean time summon blood letters.

 j31c3n wrote:

 Icculus wrote:
I think Jain Zar would win this one. Her debuff is awesome and shes at initiative.

I think the Smashfether builds in this thread would wreck her, as they all have Eternal Warrior and regenerating wounds through IWND with a hefty invulnerable save plus FNP on a 5+ or better. She only gets that WS debuff during the first phase of assault and her disarm only affects one weapon - Smashfether has two.

Incorrect. Her debuff is active all the time. Also, minus the Thunder Hammer, Smashfether can't do much to her. It's a slapfight that Jain Zar will win.

 TheNewBlood wrote:

 j31c3n wrote:

 Icculus wrote:
I think Jain Zar would win this one. Her debuff is awesome and shes at initiative.

I think the Smashfether builds in this thread would wreck her, as they all have Eternal Warrior and regenerating wounds through IWND with a hefty invulnerable save plus FNP on a 5+ or better. She only gets that WS debuff during the first phase of assault and her disarm only affects one weapon - Smashfether has two.

Incorrect. Her debuff is active all the time. Also, minus the Thunder Hammer, Smashfether can't do much to her. It's a slapfight that Jain Zar will win.

...did they seriously buff one of the most horrendously OP duelling characters in 7E Eldar too? Holy goddamn wow.

My money's still on Smashfether though cuz Jain Zar cannot regain her wounds through IWND and Smashfether's saves and FNP are so stupid high.

 TheSilo wrote:

 Happyjew wrote:
Maugan Ra.

As far as I know, he is probably the best fluff-wise as well. How many named characters solo'd a Hive Fleet?

Wait, what?

Maugan Ra single-handedly fought (and defeated) Hive Fleet Leviathan or Kraken, can't recall which one. No doubt in 6 turns.

Just goes to show you how Eldar are OP and Tyranid need a buff


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 ionusx wrote:
Which would be why I disqualify them from the list as no sane person would think of taking playing eldar with most armies seriously. Basically if your not a necron or a codex marine you might as well surrender t1 and call it an evening. Other armies can't stack up to the sheer level of nonsense that they can produce.

The question was actually just HQ units, so that isn't necessarily the same thing as armies.

However, I don't really agree with you. If you look at the "seriously less competitive major factions", Tyranids, Orks, CSM, Dark Eldar fall quite short of Eldar. But really, I think that's it.

Space Wolves fall short, but it's no auto-win for the Eldar. Blood Angels will need help, but Flesh Tearers with allies is very formidable. Grey Knights need allies, but Draigo and NDKs are very good. Dark Angels, who knows, book is out in a week. Nobody plays Tau in our group at the moment, so I can't say, but it's not like they suck.

The factions that are within the margin of skill/error/luck IMO are: Imperial Knights, Skitari/Mechanicus, Necron and Space marines.

Would a Iron Hands Captain, with Gorgon's chain, two power fists (to eliminate people negating one of his weapons) and a jump pack work?

Chapter Master
Power axe
Shield Eternal

195 (old dex)

Ya got the beefy CM stats, ap2 at S+1, and a 3++ with EW.

I run him all the time, giving up init sucks, but that's the price you pay I guess. If you really wanted you could swap the SE for an SS and take AA, leaving you with 35 points for weapons. A Powerfist with DigiWeps would be good to get ap2, but doesn't solve the init problem. A relic blade gets you hitting first, but at a mere ap3.

Get everyone in the moshpit and drop an Orbital! Har Har!

My old group tried something like this once, but it was a flop. You'll have to let us know how it plays out!

 Talys wrote:

 TheSilo wrote:

 Happyjew wrote:
Maugan Ra.

As far as I know, he is probably the best fluff-wise as well. How many named characters solo'd a Hive Fleet?

Wait, what?

Maugan Ra single-handedly fought (and defeated) Hive Fleet Leviathan or Kraken, can't recall which one. No doubt in 6 turns.

a bit of an exaggeration

 ionusx wrote:
It's going to be an eldar naturally, simply put they have pretty much the best units in every category across all codecies. With very few exceptions.

They have the best troops, some of the better tanks in his heavy ,best fasts bar none, best elites, and perhaps the best lord of war choice.

Which would be why I disqualify them from the list as no sane person would think of taking playing eldar with most armies seriously. Basically if your not a necron or a codex marine you might as well surrender t1 and call it an evening. Other armies can't stack up to the sheer level of nonsense that they can produce.

When the other armies update? Maybe but we don't deal in maybe's. So disqualifying the best at everything codex it would probably be. Necron lord or smash captain of some kind vRying of course on intended role. But in challenges they would be my picks of the litter disqualifying me perfect on grounds of him being too good for consideration.

Nonsense! As the rules of this tournament show, Sisters of Battle are the really overpowered ones.

 jokerkd wrote:

 Talys wrote:
Maugan Ra single-handedly fought (and defeated) Hive Fleet Leviathan or Kraken, can't recall which one. No doubt in 6 turns.

a bit of an exaggeration

Only just slightly. P.33 Codex: Tyranid - "755988.M41. A Bloody Harvest - A lone bio-ship launches an invasion against the planet Stormvald. The Phoenix Lord Maugan Ra stands alone against the swarm, and triumphs."

I'm not sure there's any other HQ unit that has a comparable claim to fame I guess Maugan Ra had really hot dice that day. Oh, it was Leviathan, btw, not Kraken.