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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/06/14 09:11:42
Subject: Best 1v1 HQ under 200 points?
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Fresh-Faced New User
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A bunch of people are throwing some cash in a pool for a tournament like this. You bring one guy, give him upgrades, equipment, whatever (as long as its under 200 points), then you send him into the most pit and hope he survives. Winner gets the cash! Who should i bring? I was thinking the culexus assassin because of his etherium rules and his ability to insta-kill on to wound of 6. Any ideas?
Also saint celestine has been outlawed, because no one wants to fight she that will not die.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/06/14 09:28:53
Subject: Best 1v1 HQ under 200 points?
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Blood-Drenched Death Company Marine
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Culexis is a good choice but he's an elite, not an HQ choice.
If it's any character, then you're set. Any shooting to take place beforehand? How about psychic phase?
I'll say that a ML 2 Librarian with terminator armor & the shield Eternal + force weapon (Axe) might not be a bad option. Roll Biomancy on him and hope for Iron Arm for T:7, ST:8 (ST:+1 on the Axe) & AP:2 with Force for Instant Death. The axe is unwieldy, but you're already lower initiative than many other characters, with Eternal Warrior. Roll with Iron Hands tactics and you can also hope for Endurance as well on the Biomancy chart, which gives you a 4+ Feel No Pain roll that gets improved to 3+ FnP thanks to the new buff that Iron Hands get to FnP due to their chapter tactics. Lasty, you might get Warp Speed, which will get you +3 more attacks.
That gets you a 2+/3++ character with possible ST:8/T:7 statline, only 2 wounds, but At least a 6+ FNP save, It Will Not Die, and Eternal Warrior, plus AP:2 attacks with Force (Instant Death). Depending on psychic powers, you'll get +3 attacks, + 3 ST & T, or 3+FnP (With IH Chapter Tactics) with the rolls on the Biomancy powers chart.
Just my thoughts on that. There may be better options, but that keeps you under 200 points I do believe.
Take it easy.
-Red__Thirst-
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You don't know me son, so I'll explain this to you once: If I ever kill you, you'll be awake, you'll be facing me, and you'll be armed. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/06/14 09:35:31
Subject: Best 1v1 HQ under 200 points?
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Steady Space Marine Vet Sergeant
England
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What army do you play might help...
You'll want an Eternal Warrior, so how about a SM Captain w/ Shield Eternal and Burning Blade? 195
Or SE and Thunder Hammer w/ Artifacer Armour 190
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/06/14 09:41:15
Subject: Re:Best 1v1 HQ under 200 points?
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Fresh-Faced New User
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Thx for the suggestions! And I normally play grey knights, but I just bought the new SM codex so I was thinking along the same lines as Red_thrist. Also, it is any character or HQ, just as long as the unit can legally be just one man and his wits.
As for the way the tournament goes, each side rolls for initiative after setting up 24 inches away from each other. All phases are in effect, as in movement, psychic, ect. Also the guy who is running it is going to set up terrain for LOS and other things to allow for more tactics and not just make it a "who can bash the others head in better" match xD.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/06/14 09:45:34
Subject: Best 1v1 HQ under 200 points?
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Killer Klaivex
The dark behind the eyes.
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I pity any Dark Eldar players in this tournament...
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blood reaper wrote:I will respect human rights and trans people but I will never under any circumstances use the phrase 'folks' or 'ya'll'. I would rather be killed by firing squad.
the_scotsman wrote:Yeah, when i read the small novel that is the Death Guard unit options and think about resolving the attacks from a melee-oriented min size death guard squad, the thing that springs to mind is "Accessible!"
Argive wrote:GW seems to have a crystal ball and just pulls hairbrained ideas out of their backside for the most part.
Andilus Greatsword wrote:
"Prepare to open fire at that towering Wraithknight!"
"ARE YOU DAFT MAN!?! YOU MIGHT HIT THE MEN WHO COME UP TO ITS ANKLES!!!"
Akiasura wrote:I hate to sound like a serial killer, but I'll be reaching for my friend occam's razor yet again.
insaniak wrote:
You're not. If you're worried about your opponent using 'fake' rules, you're having fun the wrong way. This hobby isn't about rules. It's about buying Citadel miniatures.
Please report to your nearest GW store for attitude readjustment. Take your wallet. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/06/14 09:50:12
Subject: Best 1v1 HQ under 200 points?
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Member of a Lodge? I Can't Say
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Simple,
Use sevrin loth
ML3 librarian with a 2++ UNDENIABLE invun who can also pick his powers
Just go iron arm,warp speed and endurance for a S7,T7 eternal warrior bada** with a 4+++ FNP and 2++ invun and 8 attacks on the charge! (At S8 AP2 because he has an axe)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/06/14 10:06:32
Subject: Best 1v1 HQ under 200 points?
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Blood-Drenched Death Company Marine
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How much does Loth cost, though? If he's over 200 points (and I'd be surprised if he isn't) then he's a no-go. There may also be a restriction on named characters as well? Not sure, as the OP didn't specify.
Interesting options for sure.
Take it easy.
-Red__Thirst-
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/06/14 10:07:48
Subject: Best 1v1 HQ under 200 points?
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Member of a Lodge? I Can't Say
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Red__Thirst wrote:How much does Loth cost, though? If he's over 200 points (and I'd be surprised if he isn't) then he's a no-go. There may also be a restriction on named characters as well? Not sure, as the OP didn't specify.
Interesting options for sure.
Take it easy.
-Red__Thirst-
He is 175 points
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/06/14 10:21:55
Subject: Best 1v1 HQ under 200 points?
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Slashing Veteran Sword Bretheren
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Chaptermaster Smashfether is still king. Since he is EW he cant be IDed.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/06/14 10:27:06
Subject: Best 1v1 HQ under 200 points?
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Jinking Ravenwing Land Speeder Pilot
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Sir Arun wrote:Chaptermaster Smashfether is still king. Since he is EW he cant be IDed.
might be wrong, but i belive he is more than 200pts.
also, most HQs can take the EW shield
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/06/14 10:48:33
Subject: Best 1v1 HQ under 200 points?
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Resolute Ultramarine Honor Guard
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Captain - bike, thunder hammer, shield eternal, digital weapons.
No point taking artificer armour as practically everything you face will be ap2. Toughness 5 is more useful, as is eternal warrior.
Digital weapons are because I needed to spend 10pts.
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warboss wrote:Is there a permanent stickied thread for Chaos players to complain every time someone/anyone gets models or rules besides them? If not, there should be. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/06/14 10:54:32
Subject: Best 1v1 HQ under 200 points?
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Killer Klaivex
The dark behind the eyes.
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So, how does this work exactly?
For each 1v1, do the respective HQs start on opposite sides of the board?
If so, would it be worth considering a mobile, shooty HQ? Especially since, just looking at this thread, most people will be concentrating on the melee front.
So, what if you used, say, an Autarch on a Jetbike with Reaper Launcher? Or a Farseer on a Jetbike with the Long Rifle relic thingy?
Obviously your damage output in either case is hardly stellar. However, the point is that you can inflict that damage from the other side of the table. You're relentless, so you can move 12" and fire, and then move away a further 2d6" in the assault phase. And, even if they do manage to pen you in, you can use your Turbo Boost to move 48" away.
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blood reaper wrote:I will respect human rights and trans people but I will never under any circumstances use the phrase 'folks' or 'ya'll'. I would rather be killed by firing squad.
the_scotsman wrote:Yeah, when i read the small novel that is the Death Guard unit options and think about resolving the attacks from a melee-oriented min size death guard squad, the thing that springs to mind is "Accessible!"
Argive wrote:GW seems to have a crystal ball and just pulls hairbrained ideas out of their backside for the most part.
Andilus Greatsword wrote:
"Prepare to open fire at that towering Wraithknight!"
"ARE YOU DAFT MAN!?! YOU MIGHT HIT THE MEN WHO COME UP TO ITS ANKLES!!!"
Akiasura wrote:I hate to sound like a serial killer, but I'll be reaching for my friend occam's razor yet again.
insaniak wrote:
You're not. If you're worried about your opponent using 'fake' rules, you're having fun the wrong way. This hobby isn't about rules. It's about buying Citadel miniatures.
Please report to your nearest GW store for attitude readjustment. Take your wallet. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/06/14 11:08:28
Subject: Best 1v1 HQ under 200 points?
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Stealthy Warhound Titan Princeps
Phoenix, AZ, USA
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An ML3 GK Librarian with Liber, Hammer, and MC Combi-Plasma, rolling Sanctic.
Smashfether can eat a Vortex.
SJ
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“For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world.”
- Ephesians 6:12
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/06/14 11:14:37
Subject: Best 1v1 HQ under 200 points?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Maybe an Ork Warboss on a Bike for T6 and Jink against shooting with Da Lucky Stikk to re-roll saves, to hit and to wound rolls, with a PKfor S10 Ap2, Boss Pole for Mob Rule, Cybork Body (Fnp 6+)and Git Finda (BS3) just because you've still got about 50 points spare.
Kombi Skorcha or Kustom Mega Blasta because why not.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/06/14 13:23:37
Subject: Best 1v1 HQ under 200 points?
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Khorne Chosen Marine Riding a Juggernaut
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If only kharn had EW and a bike/Jugger...
It would be Murderfest in Slaugthertown.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/06/14 13:43:28
Subject: Re:Best 1v1 HQ under 200 points?
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Shas'ui with Bonding Knife
The Internet- where men are men, women are men, and kids are undercover cops
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Against the shootier options, might not be bad to field a Crisis Commander with Iridium armor, two plasma rifles (since everything with have EW, no point to bring melta), two shield drones, NSJ, PEN, VRR, Stim Injector, and maybe the Onager Guantlet for the last 5 points.
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Jon Garrett wrote:Perhaps not technically a Marine Chapter anymore, but the Flame Falcons would be pretty creepy to fight.
"Boss, we waz out lookin' for grub when some of them Spice Marines showed up and shot all the lads."
"Right. Well, did you at least use the burnas?"
"We tried, but the gits was already on fire."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/06/14 15:20:39
Subject: Best 1v1 HQ under 200 points?
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Tail Gunner
Wales
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Mephiston with iron arm, endurance and warpspeed is nasty
That or loth with his 2+ inv save with bio
Risk and reward of physic powers will almost always win out over a captain with upgrades
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/06/14 15:49:22
Subject: Best 1v1 HQ under 200 points?
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Badass "Sister Sin"
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B4ymax wrote:Also saint celestine has been outlawed, because no one wants to fight she that will not die.
Do they know she only comes back once now?
She's the best under 200, imo.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/06/14 15:53:57
Subject: Best 1v1 HQ under 200 points?
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Fully-charged Electropriest
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Loth can't actually use the 2++ save with the inclusion of the psychic phase into the game. Anyway, my vote goes to Smashfether lite, similar to what Crazyterran suggested: Clan Raukaan Captain with bike, gorgon's chain, thunder hammer and digital weapons. Last remaining 5 pts can be spent on an auspex if you so please (or melta bombs).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/06/14 15:54:04
Subject: Best 1v1 HQ under 200 points?
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Killer Klaivex
The dark behind the eyes.
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Has Yarrick been outlawed?
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blood reaper wrote:I will respect human rights and trans people but I will never under any circumstances use the phrase 'folks' or 'ya'll'. I would rather be killed by firing squad.
the_scotsman wrote:Yeah, when i read the small novel that is the Death Guard unit options and think about resolving the attacks from a melee-oriented min size death guard squad, the thing that springs to mind is "Accessible!"
Argive wrote:GW seems to have a crystal ball and just pulls hairbrained ideas out of their backside for the most part.
Andilus Greatsword wrote:
"Prepare to open fire at that towering Wraithknight!"
"ARE YOU DAFT MAN!?! YOU MIGHT HIT THE MEN WHO COME UP TO ITS ANKLES!!!"
Akiasura wrote:I hate to sound like a serial killer, but I'll be reaching for my friend occam's razor yet again.
insaniak wrote:
You're not. If you're worried about your opponent using 'fake' rules, you're having fun the wrong way. This hobby isn't about rules. It's about buying Citadel miniatures.
Please report to your nearest GW store for attitude readjustment. Take your wallet. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/06/14 18:23:59
Subject: Best 1v1 HQ under 200 points?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Uh, hive tyrant? Leave him without wings, lash whip and bone sword. High initiative, 4 wounds, t6, and life drain.
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"Bringer of death, speak your name, For you are my life, and the foe's death." - Litany of the Lasgun
2500 points
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/06/14 19:20:03
Subject: Re:Best 1v1 HQ under 200 points?
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Fresh-Faced New User
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Thank you guys for all your tips and responses.
Since a couple people have asked, I'll try to explain the rules of this tournament in as much detail as I have been given.
The board we will be playing on is 24" by 24", its filled with terrain including forests, broken down land raiders, ruins, ect.
Roll for warlord traits
Each character will start exactly 24" away from each other, on the opposite end of the battle field. All deployment rules are in effect, so for example if I were to take the culexus I could infiltrate closer to my opponent, or if you have scout then the scout move is allowed as well.
After deployment, role for who gets first turn. There is still steal the initiative.
From this point, is a normal game of 40k. All phases, movement, shooting, ect.
List of characters not allowed: Anyone over 200 points, Saint Celestine.
All named characters are ok as long as they meet these requirements.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/06/14 19:55:12
Subject: Best 1v1 HQ under 200 points?
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Mekboy Hammerin' Somethin'
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Orks too, don't forget the Orks. :[
No invulnerable save, no EW, no at initiative armor piercing options.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/06/14 20:02:09
Subject: Best 1v1 HQ under 200 points?
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Twisting Tzeentch Horror
Canada
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Tzeentch terminator lord with lightning claw and powerfist.
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3000 Points Tzeentch |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/06/14 20:05:37
Subject: Best 1v1 HQ under 200 points?
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Prophetic Blood Angel Librarian
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Deamon Prince of Slannesh with Black Mace. Fleshbane so always wounding on a 2+. VotLW so rerolling hits against any marine varients. 7+d6 ap2 I8 attacks on the charge, almost always hitting on a 3+. Fleet, +d3 run. Cause a wound, enemy takes T test or is removed. 200pts.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/06/14 20:12:37
Subject: Best 1v1 HQ under 200 points?
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Confessor Of Sins
WA, USA
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I love how the vastly more durable Smashfucker is fine, but Celestine is somehow broken, even though she can only resurrect once, and is easily IDed.
Love how people don't know the rules.
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Ouze wrote:
Afterward, Curran killed a guy in the parking lot with a trident.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/06/14 20:20:48
Subject: Best 1v1 HQ under 200 points?
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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Maugan Ra.
2+ save, Eternal Warrior, fires 8 shots with Rending at BS 7 in each Shooting phase, Fearless, and can Run/Shoot in either order.
As far as I know, he is probably the best fluff-wise as well. How many named characters solo'd a Hive Fleet?
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Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
Orks always ride in single file to hide their strength and numbers.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/06/14 20:26:51
Subject: Best 1v1 HQ under 200 points?
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Badass "Sister Sin"
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morganfreeman wrote:
Orks too, don't forget the Orks. :[
No invulnerable save, no EW, no at initiative armor piercing options.
Zhadsnark has at init power klaw.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/06/14 20:42:26
Subject: Best 1v1 HQ under 200 points?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Happyjew wrote:Maugan Ra.
As far as I know, he is probably the best fluff-wise as well. How many named characters solo'd a Hive Fleet?
Wait, what?
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"Bringer of death, speak your name, For you are my life, and the foe's death." - Litany of the Lasgun
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/06/14 20:48:09
Subject: Best 1v1 HQ under 200 points?
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Ruthless Interrogator
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A Hive Tyrant with 2 Twin-Linked Devourers
Drown them in Dakka from across the field!
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Space Marines: Jacks of all trades yet masters of GRAV CANNONS!!!.
My Star Wars Imperial Codex Project: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/641831.page
It has 7 HQs, 2 Troop types with Dedicated Transports, 5 Elite units, 5 Fast Attack units, 6 Heavy Support units, 2 Formations with unique units not in the rest of the codex, and 2 LOW choices.
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