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I don't think 'blame the police' is gonna stick to this one. I just don;t see how it applies at all.

I know you say there is nothing rational about folk's reactions, but it does not seem like the type of incident anyone is going to point fingers at LEOs for.

 djones520 wrote:

SGTPozy wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

SGTPozy wrote:
This is why owning firearms should be illegal

That's a little extreme, don'tcha' think. I mean, you can own firearms in the UK and Japan*, it's just a lot more restricted than here.

*IIRC

True but (IMO) it's still wrong. Out of curiosity why is it that many Americans like to own firearms? I personally don't see the appeal or need to do so :L

It's a cultural thing. Why not try to accept it, instead of attack it.

Firearms did not make this man murder anyone. He was the perpetrator.

Because it might/could be a "Cultural think" like cutting people's heads off seems to be the current rage in the Middle East.

Not all Cultural Artifacts are either/both desirable, or good for the culture. Some happen to be incredibly bad for a culture or society (just look at Easter Island for the end-game of a society with fatal cultural norms).

MB

 Freakazoitt wrote:

This is why owning firearms should be illegal

Criminals anyway usually use illegal weapons for conspiracy, even if owning firearms is allowed.

Now don't start using facts here. "Common sense firearm laws" advocates disregard such things and encourage banning inanimate objects used in an illegal manner by a statistically insignificant portion of the population. That'll solve the crime problem!

[/sarcasm]

Can we take the firearm debate someplace else? This was a horrible crime. Please let's not use it to push an agenda.

May they rest in peace.

 Alex C wrote:

 Freakazoitt wrote:

This is why owning firearms should be illegal

Criminals anyway usually use illegal weapons for conspiracy, even if owning firearms is allowed.

Now don't start using facts here. "Common sense firearm laws" advocates disregard such things and encourage banning inanimate objects used in an illegal manner by a statistically insignificant portion of the population. That'll solve the crime problem!

[/sarcasm]

Rather misses the point.

Guns are not simply an inanimate object, they are a tool, designed and built with a specific purpose in mind (killing things more easily).

We tend to restrict things based upon the dangers posed by their use.

MB

Perp identified as Dylann Roof.

Previous arrests (apparently) for trespassing and drug charges.

Allegedly did have racial motivations based on what he told a survivor and based on pics of him with Apartheid era SA patches on a jacket.

Such tragedy.

I'm praying for the victims and their family and hoping this thug is apprehended soon.

BeAfraid wrote:

 Alex C wrote:

 Freakazoitt wrote:

This is why owning firearms should be illegal

Criminals anyway usually use illegal weapons for conspiracy, even if owning firearms is allowed.

Now don't start using facts here. "Common sense firearm laws" advocates disregard such things and encourage banning inanimate objects used in an illegal manner by a statistically insignificant portion of the population. That'll solve the crime problem!

[/sarcasm]

Rather misses the point.

Yes, "common sense firearm laws" people do miss the point. Glad you agree.

Anyway enough of that for now, back to the topic.

Yeah, can we at least leave the firearm discussion until the perpetrator is either apprehended or killed?

SGTPozy wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

SGTPozy wrote:
This is why owning firearms should be illegal

That's a little extreme, don'tcha' think. I mean, you can own firearms in the UK and Japan*, it's just a lot more restricted than here.

*IIRC

True but (IMO) it's still wrong. Out of curiosity why is it that many Americans like to own firearms? I personally don't see the appeal or need to do so :L

Let no tragedy go to waste.

Sad to hear about this tragedy...hopefully this scumbag is caught and dealt with.

Sad to see this getting turned into a gun debate straight away. That was not my intention when I posted the thread.

I hope they catch the guy soon.

SGTPozy wrote:
This is why owning firearms should be illegal

If firearms were illegal, the bad people will still find ways to obtain them. If someones willing to commit a crime, i'm betting they are also willing to illegally obtain a weapon. This would leave the majority of normal easygoing people defenseless. Imagine how many lives could have been saved if someone in that church was packing a gun and could have stopped him.

 Da Boss wrote:

I hope they catch the guy soon.

Hopefully, but I get the feeling he's not going to survive any encounter that takes place whenever the police do catch up to him.

CNN and Austin news reporting he has been caught.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/18/us/charleston-south-carolina-shooting/index.html

Fox reporting he was caught in North Carolina

Dylann Roof, the 21-year-old suspect in the deadly shooting Wednesday night at a Charleston church that left nine people dead, was captured in Shelby, North Carolina, which is over 240 miles northwest from the crime scene, reports say.

Color me surprised.

You can 3d print guns..

dereksatkinson wrote:
You can 3d print guns..

... so?

Now it'll be used racially since he was taken alive....

 Hulksmash wrote:
Now it'll be used racially since he was taken alive....

Huh?

 Frazzled wrote:

SGTPozy wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

SGTPozy wrote:
This is why owning firearms should be illegal

That's a little extreme, don'tcha' think. I mean, you can own firearms in the UK and Japan*, it's just a lot more restricted than here.

*IIRC

True but (IMO) it's still wrong. Out of curiosity why is it that many Americans like to own firearms? I personally don't see the appeal or need to do so :L

People died here. Have you no decency sir?

Clearly not. As a fellow Brit, I would like to say to that poster: 'Stop being a knob, mate.'


There's a time and a place. Condolences to all affected by this.

Shooter has been apprehended in North Carolina.

I was kind of hoping that the scumbag would resist arrest and be killed by the police, tends to make the suffering end sooner

 ScootyPuffJunior wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:
Now it'll be used racially since he was taken alive....

Huh?

He's suggesting that there will be claims of "race bias" since the suspect was white and brought in alive, yet in similar instances where the suspect has been African-American they get shot.

I sincerely doubt there will be claims of such, at least no serious claims.

To be fair this sort of thing happens so frequently here (as does violent crime in general) that you become sort of numb to it and jaded about it.

Its more shocking if a day goes by in which you DON'T hear an account of some violent horrible behavior taking place locally/nationally (gun-based or otherwise).

Welcome to Thunderdome...

BeAfraid wrote:
Rather misses the point.

Guns are not simply an inanimate object, they are a tool, designed and built with a specific purpose in mind (killing things more easily).

We tend to restrict things based upon the dangers posed by their use.

MB

I think one of our moderators very politely asked that this line of discussion be refrained from. Perhaps this advice should be heeded.

dereksatkinson wrote:
You can 3d print guns..

You can. And people have also made other forms of improvised firearms long before 3D printers. But it does not appear that the weapon used was homemade so it seems tangentially related to the conversation at best.

 CT GAMER wrote:
To be fair this sort of thing happens so frequently here (as does violent crime in general) that you become sort of numb to it and jaded about it.

Its more shocking if a day goes by in which you DON'T hear an account of some violent horrible behavior taking place locally/nationally (gun-based or otherwise).

I would like to think that given the Dakka community's reaction to this that the cast majority of us have not reached this point.

 AdeptSister wrote:
Can we take the firearm debate someplace else? This was a horrible crime. Please let's not use it to push an agenda.

May they rest in peace.

I think that this bears repeating.

And I think rather than continually rehashing the point, click the yellow triangle and reply to the topic at hand.

 Hulksmash wrote:
Now it'll be used racially since he was taken alive....

Which is ridiculous, considering that the DC Snipers were child-killing black Muslims and they were taken in alive...

I've just watched Obama do a press conference on this. I've seen him do a lot of speeches/conferences over the years, but he looked really annoyed this time, more angrier than I've ever seen him. He knew some of the people down at that church, so that probably explains his mood.

Anyway, to sum up. Obama said he was fed up doing these type of conferences after mass shootings, and would like to do more about preventing mass shootings in the future, but his hands are tied by the usual suspects.

Make of that what you will.

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:
Now it'll be used racially since he was taken alive....

Which is ridiculous, considering that the DC Snipers were child-killing black Muslims and they were taken in alive...

Common sense doesn't matter, only mass media coverage and opinion

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
Obama said he was fed up doing these type of conferences after mass shootings

He can always resign.

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
and would like to do more about preventing mass shootings in the future

Encouraging people to take responsibility for themselves and take measures to effectively defend themselves would be a good start.