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 Reality-Torrent wrote:

I have a feeling that AoS is more likely to bring some new fuel to a game system that died of a long time ago.

I disagree, as I feel the game is far too shallow, and only real selling point is how simple it is.

Whether or not that outweighs its other failings will tell over time, but the game itself isn't particularly suited to any particular style of playing other than being simple.

I wasn't a fantasy player for many reasons, but this release has put me off even considering it until the rules change dramatically.

 Reality-Torrent wrote:


I have a feeling that AoS is more likely to bring some new fuel to a game system that died of a long time ago.

Same here, the simplicity that is putting a lot of people off, could well be a major draw to others.

The minute details that some of us really like are deemed pointless and a waste of time to some.

I guess it just depends if the new people are spending more than the older chaps did, I think they might well do that as well, in my area at least most of the WFB players I knew hardly ever spent any money nowadays anyway, cheap **** lol.

(i know some will read this )

A lot of people seem to think that GW would do better under different management because they believe AoS is some kind of mistake or joke.

You know what another management team would do if they had control of GW and AoS failed? They would cut fantasy. That's it, no more. Dead IP. If it fails here it's a totally unprofitable venture for GW as a company, which can happily survive by focusing on 40k.

This, or they are bought out by another game company who uses them to crank out miniatures and benefits from the 40k IP. Fantasy, though? Not a chance, it would compete directly with what most companies already market.

Most of you need to just go play the other game systems. If you're so salty about AoS that you want GW to close up shop and eliminate their fantasy IP from the hobby out of spite, you need to take a step back and a few deep breaths. GW has not personally attacked you, nor does it particularly owe you anything if you derived many years of enjoyment from the hobby already. The hobby itself wasn't sustainable from a business standpoint because models weren't moving and the game system didn't actually encourage buying models either, unless they were the new OP thing (which GW caught flak for also, rightly so).

GW's hand was forced. It's a marvel that GW kept WHF afloat for so long - and at such cost to themselves. They clearly actually liked the IP they had, but it wasn't sustainable and no reasoning company goes down with a failing IP out of stubbornness.

AoS isn't WHF and there aren't many good alternatives to replace it, given - but AoS itself is actually a good game. Whether you enjoy it, or whether you even give it a shot, is up to you.

If you're not going to do those things, please sell me your WE models, I've been meaning to add a few to my collection. :3

overtninja wrote:
A lot of people seem to think that GW would do better under different management because they believe AoS is some kind of mistake or joke.

They believe that for more reasons than just AoS. A cursory look through these forums would have told you that.

You know what another management team would do if they had control of GW and AoS failed? They would cut fantasy. That's it, no more. Dead IP. If it fails here it's a totally unprofitable venture for GW as a company, which can happily survive by focusing on 40k.

There's nothing to say for sure a different company would cut fantasy entirely. Its all speculation, and therefore equally valid to say a different company would have revised the game and booted up a new edition that fixed the chief complaints with the old system and added in new features that people wanted.

This, or they are bought out by another game company who uses them to crank out miniatures and benefits from the 40k IP. Fantasy, though? Not a chance, it would compete directly with what most companies already market.

Again, nothing but speculation. Another game company could also see the potential in the existing customer base and market penetration to make a competitive game (and indeed make new ones based on old specialist games to take back market share lost to competitors) in the fantay market.

But again, nothing but speculation and armchair CEO-ing by all.

Most of you need to just go play the other game systems. If you're so salty about AoS that you want GW to close up shop and eliminate their fantasy IP from the hobby out of spite, you need to take a step back and a few deep breaths. GW has not personally attacked you, nor does it particularly owe you anything if you derived many years of enjoyment from the hobby already. The hobby itself wasn't sustainable from a business standpoint because models weren't moving and the game system didn't actually encourage buying models either, unless they were the new OP thing (which GW caught flak for also, rightly so).

Maybe a lot of people do play other games in addition to whatever GW game they've played for years, if not decades.

People have a right to be upset and say so on forums. If you get riled up enough to tell people to shut up or get out, you may also need to take some of your advice.

GW's hand was forced. It's a marvel that GW kept WHF afloat for so long - and at such cost to themselves. They clearly actually liked the IP they had, but it wasn't sustainable and no reasoning company goes down with a failing IP out of stubbornness.

GW's hand was forced by nothing other than themselves. Warhammer Fantasy didn't die from reasons outside of GW's control. The growth of a dozen or more companies that have filled the void of specialist games and selling alternative fantasy rulesets shows that there's still a market, and all the evidence we have indicates its growing, or at the very least, profitable.

AoS isn't WHF and there aren't many good alternatives to replace it, given - but AoS itself is actually a good game. Whether you enjoy it, or whether you even give it a shot, is up to you.

I'd hardly call AoS a good game. Its a simple game that provides the basics of wargaming, but it has the tactical depth of a kiddie pool, the balance is non-existent, the rules are barely functional or wonky at best (seriously, who thought measuring to the model was a good idea?), and the silly 'narrative' bits on legacy armies is a bad joke. Upsides are that it is indeed simple, and its free. As for good, I say it is not. It can be enjoyable, certainly, but I don't think its a good game. Like the Super Mario Bros movie. Fun to watch, but every quality of the movie was just bad.

If you're not going to do those things, please sell me your WE models, I've been meaning to add a few to my collection. :3

I have a box of Lizardmen on sprue somewhere when I almost joined a Fantasy escalation league many years ago. Now they may end up as conversion fodder. Or painting practice. Both? Drunk me will decide one day.

Achaylus72 wrote:Well over the weekend I saw 18 AoS starter box sets sell in one GW store alone and the auxiliary products connected to AoS was also walking off the shelves.

I bet this pisses off a lot of folks. Congrats to GW.

18 boxes! That's horrible! As many as 18 people bought AoS! This totally means the success and proliferation of a terrible game! I'm pissed off!

No, wait...

18 boxes! That's terrible! Only 18 people bought AoS! It's the best game ever so it should've sold a gazillion! That owner should have his store burned down rather than be given responsibility of these jewel-like items of wonder! I'm pissed off!

No, hang on...

18 boxes! That's pathetic! 18's an even number! It's, like, two times nine... I'm pissed off...

Um...

What was the point again?

Blacksails wrote:I'd hardly call AoS a good game. Its a simple game that provides the basics of wargaming, but it has the tactical depth of a kiddie pool, the balance is non-existent, the rules are barely functional or wonky at best (seriously, who thought measuring to the model was a good idea?), and the silly 'narrative' bits on legacy armies is a bad joke. Upsides are that it is indeed simple, and its free. As for good, I say it is not. It can be enjoyable, certainly, but I don't think its a good game. Like the Super Mario Bros movie. Fun to watch, but every quality of the movie was just bad.

I've said it before: it feels like a basic or novelty boardgame, where goofy things happen and you can pretend the dice rolls are meaningful, and have some fun for a while, but where the novelty soon wears off and it gets shoved in the back of a cupboard somewhere.

overtninja wrote:
A lot of people seem to think that GW would do better under different management because they believe AoS is some kind of mistake or joke.

You know what another management team would do if they had control of GW and AoS failed? They would cut fantasy. That's it, no more. Dead IP. If it fails here it's a totally unprofitable venture for GW as a company, which can happily survive by focusing on 40k.

This, or they are bought out by another game company who uses them to crank out miniatures and benefits from the 40k IP. Fantasy, though? Not a chance, it would compete directly with what most companies already market.

Most of you need to just go play the other game systems. If you're so salty about AoS that you want GW to close up shop and eliminate their fantasy IP from the hobby out of spite, you need to take a step back and a few deep breaths. GW has not personally attacked you, nor does it particularly owe you anything if you derived many years of enjoyment from the hobby already. The hobby itself wasn't sustainable from a business standpoint because models weren't moving and the game system didn't actually encourage buying models either, unless they were the new OP thing (which GW caught flak for also, rightly so).

GW's hand was forced. It's a marvel that GW kept WHF afloat for so long - and at such cost to themselves. They clearly actually liked the IP they had, but it wasn't sustainable and no reasoning company goes down with a failing IP out of stubbornness.

AoS isn't WHF and there aren't many good alternatives to replace it, given - but AoS itself is actually a good game. Whether you enjoy it, or whether you even give it a shot, is up to you.

If you're not going to do those things, please sell me your WE models, I've been meaning to add a few to my collection. :3

^ This

It's not a good game. It's not had a chance to gain any feedback yet. It can't be said to b bad yet either. Sure from cursory examination I'd say it doesn't look good but until it's been doing the rounds for a good couple of months it has no reputation, good or bad.

 Blacksails wrote:

This, or they are bought out by another game company who uses them to crank out miniatures and benefits from the 40k IP. Fantasy, though? Not a chance, it would compete directly with what most companies already market.

Again, nothing but speculation. Another game company could also see the potential in the existing customer base and market penetration to make a competitive game (and indeed make new ones based on old specialist games to take back market share lost to competitors) in the fantay market.

But again, nothing but speculation and armchair CEO-ing by all.

Most of you need to just go play the other game systems. If you're so salty about AoS that you want GW to close up shop and eliminate their fantasy IP from the hobby out of spite, you need to take a step back and a few deep breaths. GW has not personally attacked you, nor does it particularly owe you anything if you derived many years of enjoyment from the hobby already. The hobby itself wasn't sustainable from a business standpoint because models weren't moving and the game system didn't actually encourage buying models either, unless they were the new OP thing (which GW caught flak for also, rightly so).

Maybe a lot of people do play other games in addition to whatever GW game they've played for years, if not decades.

People have a right to be upset and say so on forums. If you get riled up enough to tell people to shut up or get out, you may also need to take some of your advice.

Slow clap for immediate, point-by-point takedown. And quoted for truth.

My store still has 45 of the 50 copies im sure they were forced to order in order to guarantee shipment on time. And from everyone I have talked to who has played it for the last week, multiple games, it just dosent have the same fun. That right there is the killer.

jah-joshua wrote:
poor Space Marine never gets any love:(...

Clearly we need another Codex!
(Apparently we actually do for Blood Angels and Space Wolves. I guess that's the issue with splitting stuff up this way)

jah-joshua wrote:@Crash: i ask because i was trying to get to your definition of what kind of behavior you would consider making someone a twit...
in the end, it only matters because you wanted Talys to admit that some of the defenders were acting like twits, and i was curious about what qualifies a person for entry into the twit of the year competition...
i did read your post, and did see where you said "some people", not all...
i am not trying to insinuate anything...
i am asking for what kind of behavior fits your categorization...
if you want someone to admit that you are right, they need to know what you are describing...
just saying, "it's everywhere" doesn't help anyone understand your stance...

I mean unreasonable defenses of GW. Don't know what that means?

unreasonable

adjective
1.
not reasonable or rational; acting at variance with or contrary to reason; not guided by reason or sound judgment; irrational:
an unreasonable person.
2.
not in accordance with practical realities, as attitude or behavior; inappropriate:
His Bohemianism was an unreasonable way of life for one so rich.
3.
excessive, immoderate, or exorbitant; unconscionable:
an unreasonable price; unreasonable demands.
4.
not having the faculty of reason.

Source

defense

noun
1.
resistance against attack; protection:
Two more regiments are needed for the defense of the city.
2.
something that defends, as a fortification, physical or mental quality, or medication:
This fort was once the main defense of the island.
3.
the defending of a cause or the like by speech, argument, etc.:
He spoke in defense of the nation's foreign policy.
4.
a speech, argument, etc., in vindication:
She delivered a defense of free enterprise.

Source

So speech and arguments in favor of GW's practices which are not reasonable or rational.
That's all you need to know.
You don't need me to point at specific people and say "Users X and Y are being douchebags because A, B and C", it's a general point anyway and I don't tend to keep records of any post that pisses me off to be put in the Codex Assholius and pulled out whenever I say something because:
1) Highly specific examples aren't necessary for general things, particularly when it's to clear up what's meant by a simple phrase, which is easily achieved by knowing what words mean.
2) I already have anger issues as it stands, I REALLY don't need to exacerbate it by deliberately cultivating grudges.
3) I've seen that sort of behavior. I've seen borderline-stalker people who pick apart all of a users posts to make them look bad. I've seen a whole site dedicated to borderline-bullying people for writing fiction, having odd fetishes and other minor-if-even-bad-at-all things, run by the kind of people who use "autistic" as an insult. Please excuse me if I'm not willing to engage in such behavior simply because you asked me to for no good reason.
And quite frankly while you say you aren't insinuating anything, it seems pretty blatant that you're just wanting me to pick people out so you can passive-aggressively pick it apart to try and make me look bad.

 Vermis wrote:
18 boxes! That's horrible! As many as 18 people bought AoS! This totally means the success and proliferation of a terrible game! I'm pissed off!

No, wait...

18 boxes! That's terrible! Only 18 people bought AoS! It's the best game ever so it should've sold a gazillion! That owner should have his store burned down rather than be given responsibility of these jewel-like items of wonder! I'm pissed off!

No, hang on...

18 boxes! That's pathetic! 18's an even number! It's, like, two times nine... I'm pissed off...

Um...

What was the point again?

When no one was looking Games Workshop sold eighteen boxes.
They sold eighteen boxes.
That's as many as six threes.
And that's terrible.


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 Orock wrote:
My store still has 45 of the 50 copies im sure they were forced to order in order to guarantee shipment on time. And from everyone I have talked to who has played it for the last week, multiple games, it just dosent have the same fun. That right there is the killer.

Honestly, that sounds about right. Amongst all the complaints there seems to be the general consensus that the main issue (aside from screwed-up rules and buggering over a long-standing franchise, which can both be potentially excused) is that something like this would get old FAST.

A long-standing and increasingly unprofitable franchise.

Nomeny wrote:
A long-standing and increasingly unprofitable franchise.

Are you responding to me? It's not really clear.

 Orock wrote:
My store still has 45 of the 50 copies im sure they were forced to order in order to guarantee shipment on time. And from everyone I have talked to who has played it for the last week, multiple games, it just dosent have the same fun. That right there is the killer.

Strange. I know one of my local guys got his in on time and didn't order nearly that many boxes.....

And our local group actually has people pretty excited. But each area is it's own little hamlet. I'm finding that my friends that spend a fair amount of time on boards like this are ones that don't care for it much or aren't into giving it a chance while people who don't seem to spend nearly the same amount (if any) of time on forums like this are excited.

 Hulksmash wrote:

And our local group actually has people pretty excited. But each area is it's own little hamlet. I'm finding that my friends that spend a fair amount of time on boards like this are ones that don't care for it much or aren't into giving it a chance while people who don't seem to spend nearly the same amount (if any) of time on forums like this are excited.

Quick question, since correlation, causation, all that jazz. Do the people who are excited for AoS mainly GW players, and are they fantasy vets? And the opposite for the people who are less excited - do they play other games, and are not primarily GW players or are they long time fantasy vets?

@Crash: yes, i can see that you have anger issues...
things have been confrontational since your first post all of one month ago...
seems like you got off to a running start...

not trying to be passive aggressive, mate...
just saying, if you are going to talk the talk, you should be willing to walk the walk...

i don't know why you and i got off on the wrong foot from your first day here...
i can see that my posts seem to piss you off...
i don't try and pick fights here, so i will just stop responding to you...
have fun, and enjoy Dakka...

cheers
jah

 CrashGordon94 wrote:

Nomeny wrote:
A long-standing and increasingly unprofitable franchise.

Are you responding to me? It's not really clear.

Most likely to Overt Ninja.

The Auld Grump

 Hulksmash wrote:

 Orock wrote:
My store still has 45 of the 50 copies im sure they were forced to order in order to guarantee shipment on time. And from everyone I have talked to who has played it for the last week, multiple games, it just dosent have the same fun. That right there is the killer.

Strange. I know one of my local guys got his in on time and didn't order nearly that many boxes.....

And our local group actually has people pretty excited. But each area is it's own little hamlet. I'm finding that my friends that spend a fair amount of time on boards like this are ones that don't care for it much or aren't into giving it a chance while people who don't seem to spend nearly the same amount (if any) of time on forums like this are excited.

There aren't any stores in our area thought bought 50 boxes, or if they did, they didn't stick them on the shelf. One place only got in something like 10 (and sold out when they opened Saturday... brilliant, lol). And they had theirs on Wednesday for the Saturday launch, same as they get stuff every week.

From someone who was genuinely interested in Fantasy, let me give my reasons for not plunging my money into it further than I did.

1. Cost of entry - This was a HUGE barrier, because I wanted to play Daemons, more specifically a Khornate Daemon army. Which means I needed hordes of Bloodletters, they aren't terribly expensive, $3 a guy is okay ($30 for a box of ten) I'm fine paying that for basic troops. Whatever.
However, when I looked at other armies I might've been interested in starting instead, I noticed some of their troops costed about $60 for a box of ten... $6 per model is an unreasonable cost. Especially at the numbers you needed to purchase them at to be competitive. This turned me off of the game almost immediately as I would've been likely to have been stuck with one army the entirety of my time in the game. (This problem isn't unique to Fantasy mind you, I bought a crapton of the old Assault Marine boxes when they were $25, I was overwhelmed to see that the new one costs $41... For five guys... Really GW? )

2 - The Magic Phase - I watched a few games of WHFB, and the magic phase just looked awful, it was so swingy I was like "Why even play the game at all if one magic phase can be so destructive? Where's the balance?"

3 - Swarmhammer - The simple fact that I needed large globs of models just to be any sense of competitive was really the final straw that broke the camel's back. I mean, yes, you could take monsters, but they got easily torn up by cannons, etc, that it wasn't worth buying a few $150 models to assemble, and paint just to take off the table two turns in.

And now, we come to Age of Sigmar, or, as I like to call it, "Age of S**tmar."

Here are my big issues with the game.

1. No balancing mechanic - At least with a points system in place there was some balancing mechanic involved, especially if one took an army of elite units that costed more points per model, etc. They pulled their weight against cheaper units as well. With AoS, no balancing mechanic means that one could field an entire army of elite troops and simply overwhelm an opponent who brought mostly squishy units to the table.

2. Silly abilities - I mostly play games at my LGS, I don't relish the thought of *having* to do something stupid like dance and get my opponent to dance just to use the Masque of Slaanesh's ability. Or something like Konrad and having to talk to a model and hope it talks back... I've interacted personally with a model once, I flipped off a dreadnought, and I felt stupid for doing it. If I want something silly, i'll do an Unhinged MTG draft where all the cards are silly, or play Munchkin, or Cards against humanity, where *everyone* playing is being an ass, not just me. Wargames aren't supposed to be *that* stupid, i'll admit, I play with little toy soldiers and I like it, but that doesn't mean I want to act like a grade-a jackass at my LGS *just* to get some abilities to go off.

3. Sigmarines - Sure, let's bring the most monotonous, boring unit from 40K over into Fantasy and to boot, let's make them all REALLY powerful and broken! This is one reason to stay away from AoS. In 40K, everything is measured against a Space Marine, because they're the best troop in the game for their points cost. But in AoS, they don't have a points cost, so let's just field TONS of groundmarines to wipe the field of everything. Daemons? Oh no, they're too squishy compared to the Sigmarines. That was one of the initial reasons I was interested in fantasy in the first place, NO MARINES...Now, I have no reason to be interested in fantasy. The old world is destroyed, and now we're stuck with Space Marines in fantasy... Can I just not buy any Sigmarines and use my Blood Angels instead? I mean, it doesn't matter right? As long as I tell my opponent that they're Sigmarines, right? W/e... Oh yeah, and 5 Sigmarines, the basic troop for the army, costs more than a box of Terminators does... Terminators are an elite unit, you usually don't need to buy more than two-four boxes of them at a given time, unless you're playing draigowing/deathwing. But here, I'm expected to buy 50 sigmarines and expected to pay $600 for them? No... GW, you can keep em.

4. The boring scenarios - There really isn't much room for replayablility here either, I mean, each game usually is going to end in a giant clusterfeth in the middle of the board anyways, with the majority of our forces killing each other, no strategy, no tactics, just rush in and fight... Oh yeah, and not measuring from the base for charging, etc? Spears out everyone, and since facing doesn't mean anything, if I don't want to be charged, i'll just turn my guys the other way around so you have to move further to hit them.

It really doesn't sound like they gave it much thought, and instead of bringing me into the game, they just pushed me further away. I'll admit, I want some of the Khornate Models from the starter to convert into Khorne Daemonkin, but I really don't feel comfortable supporting AoS in any way, shape or form. Even if it means relegating myself to using the same, crappy berserker models that GeeDub refuses to update.

Sorry, I had to get this off of my chest.

Our friendly, not so local, game store got in twelve, sold four, and are holding two for eventual pickup.

Which puts it dead even with the last version of Warhammer*, and way, way, way behind the Magic the Gathering release.

Aside from the copies put aside, none have sold since the first three days - but then the folks that got them that first day most likely went in to the store specifically to get AoS (for good or bad).

They expect to sell the rest by the end of the month, when they will drop down to two on the shelf.

If the store were more local, I would see how well Kings of War might catch on.

Much as I love Kings of War, it just does not get the same amount of exposure - with all of the local group having bought their copies straight from Mantic, or are waiting on the Kickstarter.

The Auld Grump

* With the same two people holding their copies for later.... The store had already put their copies aside before they had even reserved them.

 TheAuldGrump wrote:
Our friendly, not so local, game store got in twelve, sold four, and are holding two for eventual pickup.

Which puts it dead even with the last version of Warhammer*, and way, way, way behind the Magic the Gathering release.

Aside from the copies put aside, none have sold since the first three days - but then the folks that got them that first day most likely went in to the store specifically to get AoS (for good or bad).

They expect to sell the rest by the end of the month, when they will drop down to two on the shelf.

If the store were more local, I would see how well Kings of War might catch on.

Much as I love Kings of War, it just does not get the same amount of exposure - with all of the local group having bought their copies straight from Mantic, or are waiting on the Kickstarter.

The Auld Grump

* With the same two people holding their copies for later.... The store had already put their copies aside before they had even reserved them.

Got a chance to play KoW the other night and like it a lot, and I think you'll be seeing an uptick in the number of people getting into it. For myself, I'll be playing both games, adding to my undead for KoW and the Sigmarites for AoS.

jah-joshua wrote:not trying to be passive aggressive, mate...
just saying, if you are going to talk the talk, you should be willing to walk the walk...

I DID "walk the walk" all I needed to, how about instead of not responding, you actually explain why I need to give specific things out for a general thing easily understood by knowing what words mean?
And your posts in these arguments always come across as passive aggressive since you claim to be not all that bothered and just wanting to paint things, but adamantly holding to a particular point and picking apart anything that disputes this, all in multiple short sentences trailing off with ellipses (Which gives a very particular tone). It's fine to passionately hold to something (as long as you can back it up), but putting up a guise of being impartial and not caring when that's not really true is highly dishonest.

TheAuldGrump wrote:Most likely to Overt Ninja.

Fair enough. I suppose he should've quoted that guy, then.

PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote:It really doesn't sound like they gave it much thought, and instead of bringing me into the game, they just pushed me further away. I'll admit, I want some of the Khornate Models from the starter to convert into Khorne Daemonkin, but I really don't feel comfortable supporting AoS in any way, shape or form. Even if it means relegating myself to using the same, crappy berserker models that GeeDub refuses to update.

If you'd like those models but don't want to support AOS, how about keeping a lookout for them second hand after AOS has some time under its belt?

 Talys wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:

 Orock wrote:
My store still has 45 of the 50 copies im sure they were forced to order in order to guarantee shipment on time. And from everyone I have talked to who has played it for the last week, multiple games, it just dosent have the same fun. That right there is the killer.

Strange. I know one of my local guys got his in on time and didn't order nearly that many boxes.....

And our local group actually has people pretty excited. But each area is it's own little hamlet. I'm finding that my friends that spend a fair amount of time on boards like this are ones that don't care for it much or aren't into giving it a chance while people who don't seem to spend nearly the same amount (if any) of time on forums like this are excited.

There aren't any stores in our area thought bought 50 boxes, or if they did, they didn't stick them on the shelf. One place only got in something like 10 (and sold out when they opened Saturday... brilliant, lol). And they had theirs on Wednesday for the Saturday launch, same as they get stuff every week.

Same here. If any store in my area ordered 50 boxes it would be to fill pre orders.

Talking about how many boxes are sold is moot, the more important question is, will these be returning customers or are those one time sales, from people who only want to try it out, or for people that only liked the models (or want to 40k them), time will tell.

 jah-joshua wrote:
@Crash: yes, i can see that you have anger issues...
things have been confrontational since your first post all of one month ago...
seems like you got off to a running start...

not trying to be passive aggressive, mate...

Um.

 heartserenade wrote:

 jah-joshua wrote:
@Crash: yes, i can see that you have anger issues...
things have been confrontational since your first post all of one month ago...
seems like you got off to a running start...

not trying to be passive aggressive, mate...

Um.

tongue-in-cheek humor is passive aggressive???
like i said, i'm not trying o start a fight with anyone...
i guess i'll just have to accept that some people don't like my style...
i'm cool with that...

cheers
jah



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 CrashGordon94 wrote:

jah-joshua wrote:not trying to be passive aggressive, mate...
just saying, if you are going to talk the talk, you should be willing to walk the walk...

I DID "walk the walk" all I needed to, how about instead of not responding, you actually explain why I need to give specific things out for a general thing easily understood by knowing what words mean?
And your posts in these arguments always come across as passive aggressive since you claim to be not all that bothered and just wanting to paint things, but adamantly holding to a particular point and picking apart anything that disputes this, all in multiple short sentences trailing off with ellipses (Which gives a very particular tone). It's fine to passionately hold to something (as long as you can back it up), but putting up a guise of being impartial and not caring when that's not really true is highly dishonest.

i was just curious to see if you had the cajones to give examples of GW supporters acting like twits in this thread...
it was not a big deal, so i let you have the out of "unreasonable defense"...

you say i am highly dishonest, but i have never claimed to be impartial...
i have been very clear in my support of GW's minis, art, and fiction...
i have been very overt in my support of the design studio...
i have stated, every time, that i am not bothered by the prices, and will continue to buy the things i like...

yes, i am just a painter, but that doesn't mean i am not passionate about my hobby...
i don't know where you got the idea that i am trying to be impartial...
i have been open, honest, and consistent in my support of a company that has given me 30 years of joy...
hopefully, i don't engage in unreasonable defense, but if that is the impression that you get, it's no biggie...

like i said earlier, you and i have butted heads from our first encounter a month ago...
if you don't like the way i type, or what i have to say, just hit the ignore button, and then you won't have to read my posts...
am i crazy, or is this the second time i've suggested that to you???

anyway, i will be clear right here...
i am not impartial at all...
i am very passionate about my enjoyment of GW's minis, art, and fiction...

cheers
jah

 CrashGordon94 wrote:

jah-joshua wrote:not trying to be passive aggressive, mate...
just saying, if you are going to talk the talk, you should be willing to walk the walk...

I DID "walk the walk" all I needed to, how about instead of not responding, you actually explain why I need to give specific things out for a general thing easily understood by knowing what words mean?
And your posts in these arguments always come across as passive aggressive since you claim to be not all that bothered and just wanting to paint things, but adamantly holding to a particular point and picking apart anything that disputes this, all in multiple short sentences trailing off with ellipses (Which gives a very particular tone). It's fine to passionately hold to something (as long as you can back it up), but putting up a guise of being impartial and not caring when that's not really true is highly dishonest.

My personal theory is jah-joshua's Avatar is holding his posts hostage.

This whole subject begins with a quite subjective and negative question "final nail" and reactions seem to be quite subjective, especially the posts that hope or think that this is the end for GW.

It is WAY to early to make any predictions at this point, even what AoS will be (and the complete rules).

ORicK wrote:
This whole subject begins with a quite subjective and negative question "final nail" and reactions seem to be quite subjective, especially the posts that hope or think that this is the end for GW.

The emotional responses, gut feelings, and similar are obviously subjective. Not sure why that needs to be stated. Might as well say this thread is full of opinions while you're at it.

The responses discussing GW's financial state are much more objective, seeing as they're going off data and making reasoned arguments from known stats. But again, of course that's obvious and shouldn't need to be stated.

I'm not sure what you're trying to even say or add to this discussion other than pointing out the obvious after 26 pages of discussion.

It is WAY to early to make any predictions at this point, even what AoS will be (and the complete rules).

People can make predictions if they like, based on what we know. If something changes in the future with AoS, those opinions and predictions will change accordingly.

Simple stuff really.

Well... If I was new I'd look at the price of;

a) The pseudo-rulebook / scenarios = £45
b) Lord whatever on foot = £20
c) A unit of 5 liberators = £30
d) Some dice/shaker = £25

That's £120 to start me off and I have a whopping 6 miniatures.

I know you can get the starter which is way beťter value but jeez, that list of prices puts me off as much as anyone would have been starting old 8th edition.

Do I hope they fail?
No. Like Jah, I prefer GW figures, and I was hoping AoS would keep the old fantasy figure line going so I could have figures for my KoW armies.
Looks like GW will be ditching all those figures as they renew the line (with scale creep).
:-(

So business as usual? They've been redoing miniatures since time immemorial, with scale creep.