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We have a monthly Apocalypse Game in our store.
Usually its 1vs1vs1vs1.
Like King of the hill.
The Price is always a 150€ Voucher for the Shop.
Most of the time 20 People participate And the cost is 10€.
Last Time ( yesterday) i Faced someone who was playing a Formation called Anvil of the emperor Consisting of
1Warlord Titan And 5 imperial knights( points Limit is 5000 per side).

Formation Special rule let you roll for every Knight And so choose from which Side they arrive, also 1 Knight gets twin linked when He fires in a target the titan Shot At.
He had 3 crusaders 1 lancer And 1 castigator.
What to say ... Je realy crushed us all... Problem.. I will ne seeing this Formation again.. What to do against These Kind of Formation?

Same thing you do against a powerful deck in a magic free for all game:
Convince a couple of the others to help take him the hell out.

niv-mizzet wrote:
Same thing you do against a powerful deck in a magic free for all game:
Convince a couple of the others to help take him the hell out.

My suggestion as well. Dude is painting a huge target on his head, make some alliances that last until he is off the table.

Get everybody together and scratchbuild a bunch of Warhound Titans?

Beat him at his own game and bring a Titan Maniple with some extras?

Apocalypse is the game style made specifically without any kind of game balance. By playing it, you have chosen to forgo calling anyone on anything.

Isn't bringing the biggest most ridiculous things the point of apocalypse games?

 Hawkeye888 wrote:
Isn't bringing the biggest most ridiculous things the point of apocalypse games?

Yep. My local GW's get around cheese spam by getting everyone to place down whatever they want, and then the store clerk (or game organiser) balances the two sides. Sort of. There's usually an imperial bias, because they can't justify having 7 SM chapters punching eachother, but both sides get a similar number of SH vehicles. This tends to result in the most absurd gak happening.

I would be stoked to see someone bring a warlord, let alone in a formation. If he dropped all that cash on it he deserves to enjoy it. Right up untill the entire table shoots him off the table.

Team up with the others to take down that damn Titan. Then maybe he'll learn.

Now if you're running Eldar, take a bunch of wraithguards in wave serpents (or with DE allies - archons with webway portals) and then shove all that D down his Titan throat.

Or spam Melta Vets and Vendettas, if you're IG.
Eventually he'll go down.

20 player, 5000pt FFA?

How many years would it take to resolve that game? Holy crap

 Selym wrote:
Or spam Melta Vets and Vendettas, if you're IG.
Eventually he'll go down.

The warlord is AV15 and immune to melta...

Your best bet IMO is a bunch of wraith knights with swords... In the formation which buffs their speed and stats...

Taking eldrad and barroth and 10 d cannon wraith guard will solve that problem. Or an Air Force. Or invisible units armed with power fists and thunderhammer. Or 9 grab cents with tiggy and 4 Libby's conclave giving you prescience, gate, invisiblity, forewarning and sanctuary casting on a 2+ re rollable. Or a phantom Titan. Or 15 wraith knights with heavy d cannons. You get the point.

 winterwind85 wrote:
He had 3 crusaders 1 lancer And 1 castigator.

Then tell him to stop cheating. The lancer and castigator are not legal options for that formation, so he should not be allowed to gain its benefits.

 DarknessEternal wrote:
Apocalypse is the game style made specifically without any kind of game balance. By playing it, you have chosen to forgo calling anyone on anything.

this. also playing with more than two armies breaks even more of the rules.

 Peregrine wrote:

 winterwind85 wrote:
He had 3 crusaders 1 lancer And 1 castigator.

Then tell him to stop cheating. The lancer and castigator are not legal options for that formation, so he should not be allowed to gain its benefits.

this

 Lord Blackscale wrote:
I would be stoked to see someone bring a warlord, let alone in a formation. If he dropped all that cash on it he deserves to enjoy it. Right up untill the entire table shoots him off the table.

yeah this is my feeling. the warlord is a LOT of money and he'll only ever be able to put it down for apoc. enjoy the warlord being there

I'm curious. which set of rules he is using for the warlord?

Man, this titan costs like a car. Let him have some fun.

Play unbound.
Run nothing but fire dragons and venoms.
You can get 30 units of venoms and fire dragons for 5K.
I find that 150 melta guns solve most problems.

-Matt

Or, and this might result in a more enjoyable game for all concerned, sort out a scenario in advance - something a bit more involved than just "King of the Hill". If you work out in advance what models people want to bring, you can assign some special objectives. For things like Titans, I'd suggest as long a board as possible, and put some sort of hardened bunker, etc, at the other end that it has to take out. Out of weapon range, so the thing has to move.

Titans, the Warlord in particular are big centrepiece models, so this should be the centrepiece of the game.

If the Knight formation - or any other formation - doesn't fit the scenario, then don't use it. Yes, the Apocalypse rules don't enforce much in the way of balance. That's why it's important for you to do it.

 HawaiiMatt wrote:
Play unbound.
Run nothing but fire dragons and venoms.
You can get 30 units of venoms and fire dragons for 5K.
I find that 150 melta guns solve most problems.

-Matt

They tend to do very poorly against AV15 that's immune to melta rule though

Here read the formation. http://www.lounge.belloflostsouls.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=14137&d=1431888091

I hate to be that guy about rules but the lancer and castigator are not viable options. Also the knights have to start in reserves and only auto come in if the titan didnt move.

Getting smoted sucks but seeing a Titan on the table is something most of us don't see very often. I agree that he bought one and doesn't play with it often so he should run one when he can but running a formation like that is too much in my opinion.

But yeah get another player or 4 and team up on the titan.

Besides the whole lancer legality,

Apoc is the time to get silly and bring what you want.

cant fault the guy for bringing em.

Teaming up for shenanigans i feel is one of the best (and hilarious ways) of dealing with it. then the bloodbath after wards

Also start bringing in more anti tank fire power. or If he is running that formation, deploy ALL your modes in a line prevent him from coming on board

tedurur wrote:

 HawaiiMatt wrote:
Play unbound.
Run nothing but fire dragons and venoms.
You can get 30 units of venoms and fire dragons for 5K.
I find that 150 melta guns solve most problems.

-Matt

They tend to do very poorly against AV15 that's immune to melta rule though

Dont fire dragons have armourbane, not melta?

Also, apoc is unbound

 jokerkd wrote:

tedurur wrote:

 HawaiiMatt wrote:
Play unbound.
Run nothing but fire dragons and venoms.
You can get 30 units of venoms and fire dragons for 5K.
I find that 150 melta guns solve most problems.

-Matt

They tend to do very poorly against AV15 that's immune to melta rule though

Dont fire dragons have armourbane, not melta?

Also, apoc is unbound

No, they do not. They have melta and assured destruction (+1 when rolling on damage table)

Could try the Wraithknight formation where you can have up to 5 of them each gaining +1 WS and BS per model. And then take multiple of them.
You could get 3x5 of them plus an extra two as "distractions" for 5k.
Thats 15 ws9, BS9, 2D shots a turn Gargantuans.
Attacks wise you'd have 75(?) str 10 attacks on the charge hitting on 3s + stomps.

Can't use stomp on the Warlord, IIRC.

Few other ideas:

Multiple Harridans - You can get 6 at 5k - thats 36 str 10 shots with very little possible retaliation.
Lysanders Titan hunter formation - very risky but possible if you take literally enough of them.
Multiple predator assassin squads - You'll toast his knights, then depends on the Warlords retaliation.
Multiple Fireprism sunstorm squads - as above.
Huge unit of first company vets (apoc formation) could work also - their speacial rule gives them PE which is a great rule, they get 1 orbital strike free asset and can all DS.
Mutiple T ctans - simply charge them in - 9 attacks on the charge at ws6 str 9 and fire of fWoW before you go.