Which army would you get rid of?

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**Anfauglir**

Vaktathi wrote:
Furyou Miko wrote:
Anfauglir, thats the whole point of the pointlessness of the Scion book: Scions are in the Guard book!
While personally I always wanted to do an army of stormtroopers, it's something that should have just been made possible within the IG book.

Worst of all though, was the awful harry-potter-torture-porn-esque fluff revamp they did of the Schola background

And then there's that beautiful Taurox/Prime model, which isn't in any way an aesthetic abomination... nope.

**Lord Corellia**

Anfauglir wrote:
And then there's that beautiful Taurox/Prime model, which isn't in any way an aesthetic abomination... nope.

You mean the one they looted from Orks?

**Gamgee**

The AM sucked so bad. :( I feel so sorry for my friend who picked it as his first army. He even hates the Taurox with a passion for being the ugliest most impractical thing around.

**Cobra66**

I noticed that a lot of people seem to want the money to go to sisters of battle, but do a lot of people even play SoB?

**saithor**

I'd pick them as one of my top three armies, after IG and Skiitari. Like to see them get more support, even some new models. And yeah IG got hit, and aren't that good right now, GW should make all FW stuff legal in the next codex.

**Bronzefists42**

Cobra66 wrote:
I noticed that a lot of people seem to want the money to go to sisters of battle, but do a lot of people even play SoB?

Personally I think its a cruel cycle:

SoB get no money because they have ugly and outdated models but SoB have ugly and outdated models because they get no money.

I have actually 2 (out of 15) people who play SoB at my FLGS and here at DakkaDakka people are very militant about their SoB

**CrashGordon94**

Cobra66 wrote:
I noticed that a lot of people seem to want the money to go to sisters of battle, but do a lot of people even play SoB?

Probably a lot of them don't because they're weak and ignored by GW.

I can only speak for myself but I'd totally play Sisters if they had good plastic models and a solid Codex.

**Selym**

saithor wrote:
I'd pick them as one of my top three armies, after IG and Skiitari. Like to see them get more support, even some new models. And yeah IG got hit, and aren't that good right now, GW should make all FW stuff legal in the next codex.

Drop the points cost of a Baneblade by 50 or 75 ish points, and let us fire ordnance and sponsons at full BS, and we'd be back in the game

**Melissia**

CrashGordon94 wrote:
Cobra66 wrote:
I noticed that a lot of people seem to want the money to go to sisters of battle, but do a lot of people even play SoB?

Probably a lot of them don't because they're weak and ignored by GW.

I can only speak for myself but I'd totally play Sisters if they had good plastic models and a solid Codex.

Pretty much how a great number of people feel.

**CrashGordon94**

Yeah, which is actually a good reason to update them - They might actually get a good number of sales out of it!

**Lord Corellia**

I liked Sisters back when they were actually available in stores. I always looked through them, but I knew the prices made it impossible for me to build a force of any meaningful size at the time.

**OrkaMorka**

Melissia wrote:
CrashGordon94 wrote:
Cobra66 wrote:
I noticed that a lot of people seem to want the money to go to sisters of battle, but do a lot of people even play SoB?

Probably a lot of them don't because they're weak and ignored by GW.

I can only speak for myself but I'd totally play Sisters if they had good plastic models and a solid Codex.
Pretty much how a great number of people feel.

Aren't they the most expensive army as well? A box of Sister's cost $50+ dollars and your heavy weapons troops are up to $10 a pop.

**Vaktathi**

OrkaMorka wrote:
Melissia wrote:
CrashGordon94 wrote:
Cobra66 wrote:
I noticed that a lot of people seem to want the money to go to sisters of battle, but do a lot of people even play SoB?

Probably a lot of them don't because they're weak and ignored by GW.

I can only speak for myself but I'd totally play Sisters if they had good plastic models and a solid Codex.
Pretty much how a great number of people feel.

Aren't they the most expensive army as well? A box of Sister's cost $50+ dollars and your heavy weapons troops are up to $10 a pop.

Even worse, a 10 model box is ~$80, and that's with a storm bolter as the squad special weapon...

If they were cheaper and had even the minimal rules support everyone else has, they'd probably be a whole lot more popular. Being metal, and largely forgotten in terms of rules, and direct order only, it's hard for someone to get into them. My Forgeworld DKoK army was cheaper than my small Sisters army.

**Ashiraya**

They'd need some redesign before I'd want to play them, but then they are an ancient army by today's standards.

A Dark Eldar style update is what they need, but they won't get it since GW doesn't do that kind of updates anymore.

**FakeBritishPerson**

I think most people would pick up Sisters if they just had the plastic kits already, and a new codex. I don't even care if it's top tier, just SOMETHING already.

As far as an army I would want to get rid of, as much as I like the look of them, the Scions. They cost more than a marine for less T, I, worse armor, and the Hot Shot lasguns, like, does more need to be said about them? 18", S3, and AP3. Why am I paying more for these guys than my marines again? Also, they use the Taurox. Let us never speak of it again.

**saithor**

FakeBritishPerson wrote:
I think most people would pick up Sisters if they just had the plastic kits already, and a new codex. I don't even care if it's top tier, just SOMETHING already.

As far as an army I would want to get rid of, as much as I like the look of them, the Scions. They cost more than a marine for less T, I, worse armor, and the Hot Shot lasguns, like, does more need to be said about them? 18", S3, and AP3. Why am I paying more for these guys than my marines again? Also, they use the Taurox. Let us never speak of it again.

As long as you let us keep them in the IG codex. They may be expensive, but they're our deepstrikers!

**FakeBritishPerson**

saithor wrote:
FakeBritishPerson wrote:
I think most people would pick up Sisters if they just had the plastic kits already, and a new codex. I don't even care if it's top tier, just SOMETHING already.

As far as an army I would want to get rid of, as much as I like the look of them, the Scions. They cost more than a marine for less T, I, worse armor, and the Hot Shot lasguns, like, does more need to be said about them? 18", S3, and AP3. Why am I paying more for these guys than my marines again? Also, they use the Taurox. Let us never speak of it again.

As long as you let us keep them in the IG codex. They may be expensive, but they're our deepstrikers!

I agree, they need a points drop, but still I want to like them. I have some squads of them because I think they look bloody awesome, but they don't need their own codex.

**Ashiraya**

FakeBritishPerson wrote:
I think most people would pick up Sisters if they just had the plastic kits already, and a new codex

I VERY strongly doubt this.

**Lord Corellia**

Ashiraya wrote:
FakeBritishPerson wrote:
I think most people would pick up Sisters if they just had the plastic kits already, and a new codex

I VERY strongly doubt this.

Well ok, probably not MOST people but I bet they'd be popular. If I had the cash and/ or they weren't so expensive I'd start them up.

**MWHistorian**

Since GW refuses to properly support and sell an affordable army of them, I'd say Sisters of Battle. squat them or do something with them. This ultra expensive limbo thing has got to end one way or another.

**FakeBritishPerson**

Ashiraya wrote:
FakeBritishPerson wrote:
I think most people would pick up Sisters if they just had the plastic kits already, and a new codex

I VERY strongly doubt this.

I should clarify, most people interested in Sisters

**KingmanHighborn**

Cobra66 wrote:
I noticed that a lot of people seem to want the money to go to sisters of battle, but do a lot of people even play SoB?

I don't 'play' them because of their $$$ cost. I've always loved their models and design, and always WANTED to play them. But if they ever had a proper release, with plastic kits, and updated stuff, I'd trade my Chaos and Space Marine armies and throw what cash I could gather up at getting a large army of them.

Wyzilla wrote:
KingmanHighborn wrote:
2. Hrud/Space Skaven: This would get all my monies day one. It seriously needs to happen. I want my rats in space.

Hrud aren't skaven. They're entropic apathetic interdimensional beings that brutally murder anything that disturbs them. They can't be an army (and would be both horrible and horribly boring at that) as they simply aren't organized at all or have any unit variation. They'd be worse than the Nids- there would only be one unit.

Cobra66 wrote:I noticed that a lot of people seem to want the money to go to sisters of battle, but do a lot of people even play SoB?

Actually they used to be before a god awful retcon that seriously needs to be reretconned.

This is what a Hrud SHOULD be:

From the 40K wiki

The Hrud first appeared in a simple black-and-white illustration of "other dangerous aliens", along with early versions of a Kroot warrior, Necron, Tarellian Dog Soldier, and other alien forms in the Warhammer 40,000 Rulebook for the 3rd Edition. The Hrud may also have been intended to be the counterpart of the Skaven, a race of humanoid rat-men from Games Workshop's fantasy counterpart to Warhammer 40,000, Warhammer Fantasy. Both races have a similar unkempt, crouched appearance, scavenger culture, and both are depicted as being humanoid rodents; both utilise Warp-plasma-based technology, which appears archaic but is technologically superior to other, contemporary engineering -- the Hrud rifle is a "fusil" while the Skaven's preferred rifle is called a "jezail" (a long-barrelled musket). Finally, both the Hrud and the Skaven both seem to have similar social habits, being described as living in warrens or similar underground tunnel systems. However, unlike the Skaven, the Hrud are an aggressive but not malevolent race, and one of the few intelligent species of the galaxy the Eldar do not regard as little better than semi-evolved cave-people, perhaps because of their common origin as wards of the Old Ones.

**Wyzilla**

So basically fluff so old and irrelevant that it's been outmoded by numerous editions? Xenology is so damn old at this point it may as well not exist considering barely anything it resembles 40K anymore. Much like with RT, the franchise moved on, and largely for the better.

**Delicate Swarm**

Wyzilla wrote:
So basically fluff so old and irrelevant that it's been outmoded by numerous editions? Xenology is so damn old at this point it may as well not exist considering barely anything it resembles 40K anymore.

That's not an argument. It's just an opinion.

Much like with RT, the franchise moved on, and largely for the better.

lol.

**Wyzilla**

Delicate Swarm wrote:
Wyzilla wrote:
So basically fluff so old and irrelevant that it's been outmoded by numerous editions? Xenology is so damn old at this point it may as well not exist considering barely anything it resembles 40K anymore.

That's not an argument. It's just an opinion.

Much like with RT, the franchise moved on, and largely for the better.

lol.

It's no longer supported at all. It's been outmoded by numerous editions and may as well not even be a part of 40K anymore, just the same with Rogue Trader. While never officially retconned, they effectively have been in terms of similarity of fluff or support.

**Delicate Swarm**

Fiction doesn't stop being relevant because it is old. Dune isn't supported anymore, so what?

**Wyzilla**

Delicate Swarm wrote:
Fiction doesn't stop being relevant because it is old. Dune isn't supported anymore, so what?

Fiction quickly becomes outmoded when it's part of a moving franchise with changing canon. Just as in Star Wars the books along with most other EU materials are irrelevant, long outdated 40K material is just as without value in regards to the modern incarnation of the franchise- even if 40K doesn't have a rigorous canon structure. Although my memory was failing me, I was thinking of the ancient 3rd edition "other xenos" page, confusing it with xenology. Xenology is largely somewhat relevant, although the material is suspect considering the writer was going insane in-universe and noted nonexistent things like Tau having toes.

I was thinking of this old pic.

**Delicate Swarm**

That's my point, 40k doesn't have canon. This setting was pretty much solidified 20 years ago. Everything made since then is basically fan fiction. New fluff can be ignored just as easily as old fluff, and in many cases damn well should be.

**sumi808**

Personally I would like to compress all the Imperium of man into 1 codex
All chaos (CSM,daemons,renegade guard) into 1 codex
Eldar into 1 dex

Only army to get rid of is imperial knights...they are more like lords of war/ superweapons not an army or faction

Invest money into balancing game rules, factions and giving each faction an equal chance of winning

**Torga_DW**

I would get rid of space marines in their entirety. They're too much of a mary-sue option, special snowflakes that warrant the game revolve around them. I prefer the WH Fantasy scenario, where no-one stands out as the 'best' faction and everyone has something worth playing them for. Or at least, i did until they killed WH Fantasy.