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**Red Viper**

Talys wrote:

- The scupts are very nice. 5 of the shoulder pads are sculpted, 5 are blanks, and ONE is a fancy (really cool sculpted) shoulder pad. Man. I would pay an extra $10 for a full set of sculpted shoulders :(

Forgeworld's gotta make money somehow.

**Motograter**

Nocturnus wrote:
Motograter wrote:
AlexHolker wrote:
Motograter wrote:
Well F- me someone hates AoS by going to their local gw and smashing the window out with their car lol

Maybe they saw the price of the new Liberators and thought it was easier than robbing a jewelry store.

Perhaps but they aren't all that badly priced

LOL, really? This mentality is exactly why GW gets away with gouging it's customer base.

Lol really. Well only if you feel you're being gouged or actually still buying from gw direct which would be your own fault for not using online discounters

**Plumbumbarum**

jimmyjimjam01 wrote:
Plumbumbarum wrote:
Motograter wrote:
Grimtuff wrote:
Motograter wrote:
Well F- me someone hates AoS by going to their local gw and smashing the window out with their car lol

So, Inspector Motograter, you know this to be because of AoS why exactly?

Its a joke. Calm your panties. Guy accidently crashed through the window but with all these whiners going on about AoS being rubbish and what not its rather funny

Yeah but AoS actualy is rubbish.

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Motograter wrote:
Dwarves on fire. Who cares where they got it from, who cares how silly it is. Its cool and fun and that is what matters

Unless it's neither cool nor fun.

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jimmyjimjam01 wrote:
Charles Rampant wrote:
Vermis wrote:
His Master's Voice wrote:I see people still cannot distinguish between "bad" and "I don't like it".

I see people still think that because someone likes an idea, that it can't be a bad idea.

There are two different ideas at work here. The first is that a given thing is objectively good or bad. The second is that someone might like a given thing. These two concepts are not the same. For a start, 'Good' and 'Bad' are ultimately moral judgements, even if they have lost much of that flavour these days. Furthermore, I can say that I enjoyed Jupiter Ascending

I stopped reading right there.

Hahaha this exactly. Way to prove your own post wrong lol.

What?

I agreed with you and laughed at the way the other poster ranted about nothing being objective then used an example of a movie so bad it borders on platonic bad heh.

**H.B.M.C.**

Watched two AoS games today. Very silly. So simplistic. One guy won after his army was wiped out because the creature that killed the army was summoned and don't count towards victory conditions... so... wait... what?

So silly.

**RoninXiC**

Much random. Very stupid. So GW.

**Kanluwen**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Watched two AoS games today. Very silly. So simplistic. One guy won after his army was wiped out because the creature that killed the army was summoned and don't count towards victory conditions... so... wait... what?

So silly.

Wait, what? What were the victory conditions they were playing with?

**MacMuckles**

Motograter wrote:
Nocturnus wrote:
Motograter wrote:
AlexHolker wrote:
Motograter wrote:
Well F- me someone hates AoS by going to their local gw and smashing the window out with their car lol

Maybe they saw the price of the new Liberators and thought it was easier than robbing a jewelry store.

Perhaps but they aren't all that badly priced

LOL, really? This mentality is exactly why GW gets away with gouging it's customer base.

Lol really. Well only if you feel you're being gouged or actually still buying from gw direct which would be your own fault for not using online discounters

What kind of an excuse is this? It shouldn't be a ridiculous expectation for the goods you buy to be reasonably priced when buying from the source :/ The fact remains is that even with discounters, you're still paying $7-9 for basic foot sloggers.
Also, way to place the blame on the customer. "It's your fault if you didn't know about cheap online retailers that have a limited presence on the internet" Honestly, whenever I see a comment like this it makes me mad because it's always written in a tone that mocks those who may not be aware of these options: "I know all about these discount retailers but I won't mention any specific company because it's more important that I act all smug instead of trying to provide help to someone"
So who are these secret retailers? Care to actually provide a company name or link or would you rather continue on with "your fault for buying from the one option that's been presented to you" bit?

**Dryaktylus**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
One guy won after his army was wiped out because the creature that killed the army was summoned and don't count towards victory conditions... so... wait... what?

As it should be! His opponent made a terrible pact with unspeakable depraved powers so that he may have slaughtered his foe - but lost not only his soul but also the game!

**Crazyterran**

3AcresAndATau wrote:
Fezza213 wrote:
3AcresAndATau wrote:
Sadly, I believe it. However, what really bothers me is why there are ancient ruins in a world that's only 200 years old? I mean, sure there *could* be leftovers, but the Warhammer world kinda went kablooey. The inlays in the first looks like early Brets vs undead. EDIT: Those aren't Brets, those are Unbrogeons, or whatever Sigmar's non Frakish tribes were called. Just noticed the Twin Tailed Comet.

So there are ruins of a temple to Sigmar, a really big a fancy one built in a 200 year period since the baddies pulled a Final Fantasy VI. Eh

I have yet to read anything that gave a specific date but most of the story talks about there being a few thousand years between the big bang and the coming of chaos and a few hundred years between sigmar leaving and chaos coming. In the few thousand years before chaos great civilisations were built under the great alliance and then chaos came and jumped on every ones sand castles. Definitely think in a war ravaged world where previously a great civilisation stood that ruins will definitely be present.

That makes more sense, thanks. I ebay'd a fluff book, it hasn't shown up yet, so I was going mainly off rumors from Bell of Lost Souls and TMP, not the best, but a step above Naftka. I really only followed End Times closely through the Fall of Altdorf too, so my fluff base for current lore is a little lacking.

As to pricing, yeah, I got sticker shock when I saw the Liberators as well, blessed are the resellers, for theirs are the broken up starter sets. I draw the line at 3 bucks per a trooper in 28mm, I make exceptions for command models and cavalry. That being said, I don't expect Perry or Victrix prices from GW, I'm more than happy to pay something of a premium for knowing my minis were made in a country with decent labor laws, I'd rather put up with current prices than buy Chinese. The IP is worth something for me too. That being said, GW could do with something of a price cut, my parents always stressed the difference between profit and extortionate pricing, and GW definitely crosses that line oftentimes.

And yes, the Liberator box does have over a hundred weapons, which would be great if there were more than 5 Liberators to put them on. Sure, they're useful for conversions, but that would imply one has minis suitable for conversion with, and then the weapon they had goes unused, creating a vicious bitz-box cycle. Way I see it, yes, GW does give you gobs of bits, but if you like a less cluttered model, or don't buy thousands of second hand torsos, those extra pieces are of no value. I'd rather have 6 or 7 Liberators and 12-ish weapons at closer to $21 (realistically $32, but hey, if we're dreaming here). Starter models are plenty, and I ordered some, but the way I see it, GW lost sales with me. Instead of buying two or three new Liberator boxes and some elites or HQ choice types to go with, spending maybe $80 or $90, as I would have at a better price point/kit design, I got 5 Liberators and a Relicator on ebay, for like $20, off which GW made a few bucks out of the profit off the starter kit the reseller bought, and I won't be making many additions to that lil ol' warband. I might have rounded out my collection of Stormcast further after finishing the initial theoretical army. I won't pretend to be an expert on economics, but I try to keep myself learned on the simple principles, way I see it everyone should be able to hold polite discourse on practical subjects without a degree. The point in this case being, GW's product commands a premium, but it's too far above what it should be for me to consider purchasing, so I buy less and do so on the "gray market", rather than through GW or its retailers, so we both lose, I don't get the product, they don't get my money.

So you pay fifty dollars for power maces for your space marines, amd some fantasy models too? :p

Unless you want to use the maces on your sigma rites, then...

**Mezmaron**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Watched two AoS games today. Very silly. So simplistic. One guy won after his army was wiped out because the creature that killed the army was summoned and don't count towards victory conditions... so... wait... what?

So silly.

Did the players have fun? Or was it lame? Silly games like that can sometimes provide a fun narrative.

Mez

**Grot 6**

At this point, how is a game this divisive a good thing?

I'm just sitting here is awe of how... terribly executed this one was. If there was a worse way to do it, I think at this point GW would have invented it, packaged it, and sold the rights to the movie.

**Dawnbringer**

3AcresAndATau wrote:

As to pricing, yeah, I got sticker shock when I saw the Liberators as well, blessed are the resellers, for theirs are the broken up starter sets. I draw the line at 3 bucks per a trooper in 28mm, I make exceptions for command models and cavalry. That being said, I don't expect Perry or Victrix prices from GW, I'm more than happy to pay something of a premium for knowing my minis were made in a country with decent labor laws, I'd rather put up with current prices than buy Chinese.

Except Perrys (and I'm pretty sure Victrix) are also made in England... (it even says on the sprues)

**3AcresAndATau**

Dawnbringer wrote:
3AcresAndATau wrote:

As to pricing, yeah, I got sticker shock when I saw the Liberators as well, blessed are the resellers, for theirs are the broken up starter sets. I draw the line at 3 bucks per a trooper in 28mm, I make exceptions for command models and cavalry. That being said, I don't expect Perry or Victrix prices from GW, I'm more than happy to pay something of a premium for knowing my minis were made in a country with decent labor laws, I'd rather put up with current prices than buy Chinese.

Except Perrys (and I'm pretty sure Victrix) are also made in England... (it even says on the sprues)

Did not know that, not a big buyer for the periods those guys do kits for. I just figured that they were a good example of well received but inexpensive figures, as compared to GW's well made, but way overpriced models. Would never hold my breath on dollar terminators, a company like GW does have a good deal of overhead, and has to turn enough profit to give their shareholders something and I won't resent them for that. That being said, that the Perry figures can be made in the UK and cost what they do is another strike against Games Workshop's pricing strategy. Thanks for the info :-)

I actually really like those terrain rules, the wall spirits sorta remind me of the gate to the lost city in Indiana Jones and the Hollow Earth (solid pulp reading, by all counts), where all those who had failed to enter before were sucked into the wall and attacked anyone else who tried to come in, dragging them into the walls to become more skeleton guardians. With a scratchbuilt version, I'm feeling some serious scenario potential. A lone bullwhip wielding witch hunter, a expert on Morr, and a young empire engineer chased by Khornates toward a wall spawning undead, and forced to hold an objective?

**Nocturnus**

MacMuckles wrote:
Motograter wrote:
Nocturnus wrote:
Motograter wrote:
AlexHolker wrote:
Motograter wrote:
Well F- me someone hates AoS by going to their local gw and smashing the window out with their car lol

Maybe they saw the price of the new Liberators and thought it was easier than robbing a jewelry store.

Perhaps but they aren't all that badly priced

LOL, really? This mentality is exactly why GW gets away with gouging it's customer base.

Lol really. Well only if you feel you're being gouged or actually still buying from gw direct which would be your own fault for not using online discounters

What kind of an excuse is this? It shouldn't be a ridiculous expectation for the goods you buy to be reasonably priced when buying from the source :/ The fact remains is that even with discounters, you're still paying $7-9 for basic foot sloggers.
Also, way to place the blame on the customer. "It's your fault if you didn't know about cheap online retailers that have a limited presence on the internet" Honestly, whenever I see a comment like this it makes me mad because it's always written in a tone that mocks those who may not be aware of these options: "I know all about these discount retailers but I won't mention any specific company because it's more important that I act all smug instead of trying to provide help to someone"
So who are these secret retailers? Care to actually provide a company name or link or would you rather continue on with "your fault for buying from the one option that's been presented to you" bit?

Exactly! You nailed it. I find it funny the excuses fanboys will go to, to justify GW's nonsense. Yes they make nice models. But at $12CDN a piece, for "troops"? That borders on lunacy, seeing that GW "realized" the big dollar buy in for the old WFB game. I keep trying to like AOS, I really do. But between the lack of balance, poorly written rules and new levels of pricing insanity, it makes me wonder what they're smoking...

**Bronzefists42**

Fayric wrote:
NAVARRO wrote:
What are those huge stone creatures on the background of the savage orc picture?

Man the SIgmarites are growing on me each time I look at them

They look like big fenbeast from the albion campaign.

Would be nice if they brought in some old stuff like fenbeasts and fimir in the game. The foul Fimir would be great in a more chaotic setting of warhammer.

Considering they scrapped Slaanesh I don't think the Fimir's erm... origin will fly to well in the more straightforward and younger audience oriented AoS.

**The Division Of Joy**

Another thread about AoS news rendered unreadable by pages of

'this game is rubbish'

'Moaners are rubbish'

'My opinion beats your opinion'

Sterling work.

**krazynadechukr**

The Division Of Joy wrote:
Another thread about AoS news rendered unreadable by pages of

'this game is rubbish'

'Moaners are rubbish'

'My opinion beats your opinion'

Sterling work.

That's why I come to these forums! To watch the trainwreck directions they take! It's amusing.

**Vermis**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Who wants to buy multiple AUD$65 characters to make a unit of these guys?

Spoiler:

Also him:

Waaait. Limbs bent and held awkwardly at the elbow and knee, and a big 'ol rubbery wrinkle at the back of the knee that doesn't show up on animals apparently the same size and shape, even when their knees are folded even tighter?

... Is that a Trish sculpt?

**NAVARRO**

Checked today the AOS miniatures in person at a GW store, all of them were on display and I must say that the contents of the starter is quite a good value for your money. There are plenty of miniatures there and quite chunky too.

The quality of the plastics is quite impressive and much better IRL, the online pictures do not do these models any justice... with that said its not all just good news since they confirmed my main concern with the starter sprue design, some of the sigmarites shoulder pads are indeed divided in middle.

Talked with the store manager and he confirmed that soon enough there will be bases for sale in case you want to rebase your current WFB armies... ( I was worried about the availability of the cavalary oval bases ), he seemed to have a quick answer to my query as if its not the first time he has heard it and had a definitive answer to it.

All in all a very nice box and well priced for what you get in there.

Everyone at the store were painting AOS minis and on the 15 minutes that I was there he was selling some AOS stuff too. DId I buy some? as tempting as I was I ended up just picking up some METAL ratling snipers i had ordered

I think AOS has the potential to be something special for GW, lets see how it unfolds.

**migooo**

NAVARRO wrote:
Checked today the AOS miniatures in person at a GW store, all of them were on display and I must say that the contents of the starter is quite a good value for your money. There are plenty of miniatures there and quite chunky too.

The quality of the plastics is quite impressive and much better IRL, the online pictures do not do these models any justice... with that said its not all just good news since they confirmed my main concern with the starter sprue design, some of the sigmarites shoulder pads are indeed divided in middle.

Talked with the store manager and he confirmed that soon enough there will be bases for sale in case you want to rebase your current WFB armies... ( I was worried about the availability of the cavalary oval bases ), he seemed to have a quick answer to my query as if its not the first time he has heard it and had a definitive answer to it.

All in all a very nice box and well priced for what you get in there.

Everyone at the store were painting AOS minis and on the 15 minutes that I was there he was selling some AOS stuff too. DId I buy some? as tempting as I was I ended up just picking up some METAL ratling snipers i had ordered

I think AOS has the potential to be something special for GW, lets see how it unfolds.

Maybe model wise. But if you go by first impressions what I saw in a GW store was like they allowed some kid who just dipped it in gold paint and splashed a bit of Red on for chaos and Turquoise for the Sigmarines.

It didn't inspire me at all.

The art looks nice but GW art can be great or very copy and paste.

**NAVARRO**

migooo wrote:
NAVARRO wrote:
Checked today the AOS miniatures in person at a GW store, all of them were on display and I must say that the contents of the starter is quite a good value for your money. There are plenty of miniatures there and quite chunky too.

The quality of the plastics is quite impressive and much better IRL, the online pictures do not do these models any justice... with that said its not all just good news since they confirmed my main concern with the starter sprue design, some of the sigmarites shoulder pads are indeed divided in middle.

Talked with the store manager and he confirmed that soon enough there will be bases for sale in case you want to rebase your current WFB armies... ( I was worried about the availability of the cavalary oval bases ), he seemed to have a quick answer to my query as if its not the first time he has heard it and had a definitive answer to it.

All in all a very nice box and well priced for what you get in there.

Everyone at the store were painting AOS minis and on the 15 minutes that I was there he was selling some AOS stuff too. DId I buy some? as tempting as I was I ended up just picking up some METAL ratling snipers i had ordered

I think AOS has the potential to be something special for GW, lets see how it unfolds.

Maybe model wise. But if you go by first impressions what I saw in a GW store was like they allowed some kid who just dipped it in gold paint and splashed a bit of Red on for chaos and Turquoise for the Sigmarines.

It didn't inspire me at all.

The art looks nice but GW art can be great or very copy and paste.

On the front of the store was the box and all the content assembled on display in bare plastics and inside the store on the actual display cabinet some painted examples. I prefer to see the bare bones in plastic so I can judge without being worried with freehands or obscured flaws ( like the shoulderpads thing.) So yes looking at all the content assembled gave me lots of ideas for paint schemes and modeling projects. AOS box is quite a nice hobby project since you get plenty of kits at a good price and you can either convert them to many other personal projects or just run with it for a pure AOS project.

I was not a fan at all of sigmarites but the plastics are quite impressive and with a proper non gold approach these could be quite cool to paint. Khorne was top stuff and the big beast still needs some trimming of the crappy bits. Its a good box set.

**Necros**

NAVARRO wrote:
Talked with the store manager and he confirmed that soon enough there will be bases for sale in case you want to rebase your current WFB armies...

Did he happen to mention if they will go back to the cheaper "bag full of bases" they did a while back? Currently you get 10 regular sized bases for almost $5. I wouldn't mind rebasing my old stuff but since i have 2 horde armies it'll be pretty expensive at those prices. I know there's lots of companies making bases but I'd like mine to all match

**Nostromodamus**

Re: scenery "bundles"

The big bundle shows 2 gates and 2 arches, and is priced as such. However, the text makes it sound like it only includes 1 arch...

**migooo**

NAVARRO wrote:
migooo wrote:
NAVARRO wrote:
Checked today the AOS miniatures in person at a GW store, all of them were on display and I must say that the contents of the starter is quite a good value for your money. There are plenty of miniatures there and quite chunky too.

The quality of the plastics is quite impressive and much better IRL, the online pictures do not do these models any justice... with that said its not all just good news since they confirmed my main concern with the starter sprue design, some of the sigmarites shoulder pads are indeed divided in middle.

Talked with the store manager and he confirmed that soon enough there will be bases for sale in case you want to rebase your current WFB armies... ( I was worried about the availability of the cavalary oval bases ), he seemed to have a quick answer to my query as if its not the first time he has heard it and had a definitive answer to it.

All in all a very nice box and well priced for what you get in there.

Everyone at the store were painting AOS minis and on the 15 minutes that I was there he was selling some AOS stuff too. DId I buy some? as tempting as I was I ended up just picking up some METAL ratling snipers i had ordered

I think AOS has the potential to be something special for GW, lets see how it unfolds.

Maybe model wise. But if you go by first impressions what I saw in a GW store was like they allowed some kid who just dipped it in gold paint and splashed a bit of Red on for chaos and Turquoise for the Sigmarines.

It didn't inspire me at all.

The art looks nice but GW art can be great or very copy and paste.

On the front of the store was the box and all the content assembled on display in bare plastics and inside the store on the actual display cabinet some painted examples. I prefer to see the bare bones in plastic so I can judge without being worried with freehands or obscured flaws ( like the shoulderpads thing.) So yes looking at all the content assembled gave me lots of ideas for paint schemes and modeling projects. AOS box is quite a nice hobby project since you get plenty of kits at a good price and you can either convert them to many other personal projects or just run with it for a pure AOS project.

I was not a fan at all of sigmarites but the plastics are quite impressive and with a proper non gold approach these could be quite cool to paint. Khorne was top stuff and the big beast still needs some trimming of the crappy bits. Its a good box set.

If you are interested in both of those armies it's a good set no denying that.

**AegisGrimm**

Did he happen to mention if they will go back to the cheaper "bag full of bases" they did a while back? Currently you get 10 regular sized bases for almost $5. I wouldn't mind rebasing my old stuff but since i have 2 horde armies it'll be pretty expensive at those prices. I know there's lots of companies making bases but I'd like mine to all match

I would try Proxie Models on Ebay. He is a one-man plastic injection molding garage buisness, and sells for pretty good prices.

Here's a bag of 24x 32mm bases for $4.50+ very cheap shipping:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/32-mm-round-bases-for-wargaming-/301654864936?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item463c07f428

Definitely check out his other stuff, too. Has everything from 25mm, 30mm, to 120mm bases.

**NAVARRO**

Necros wrote:
NAVARRO wrote:
Talked with the store manager and he confirmed that soon enough there will be bases for sale in case you want to rebase your current WFB armies...

Did he happen to mention if they will go back to the cheaper "bag full of bases" they did a while back? Currently you get 10 regular sized bases for almost $5. I wouldn't mind rebasing my old stuff but since i have 2 horde armies it'll be pretty expensive at those prices. I know there's lots of companies making bases but I'd like mine to all match

I have goblins and chaos mate so Yes I know your pain about spending fortunes on bases alone.

He only mentioned that there will be packs of those oval bases available soon so I assumed that they would be for sale in the traditional bundles of 10 or 5 ( like the new 32mm ones). So I do not have more details on that... I would suspect that cheap bundles at GW are not your best bet though... but hey, they did release free rules so lets keep an eye for it since we never know what GW is up to these days, which makes things much more interesting.

**Hulksmash**

The app is up for the IPAD. Android is still pending.

**Wyzilla**

Yknow after the rules it feels fairly petty, but one of my biggest turn-offs regarding Age of Sigmarine are the helmets of the Sigmarines. They just look so.... dull and boring with the death masks. It's like an army of Blood Angels with those sanguinary guard helmets and no alternative. When creating a fantasy version of Space Marines GW appears to have forgotten that Space Marines are popular for their customization.

Looking at the sprues, these Sigmarines are anything but customizable.

**Orock**

Has anyone come close, at all, to a workable tournament set of rules? So far all I hear is "use some combination of wounds and attacks for points values, summoning still broken as can be".

I can push little green army men across a board and come up with a scenario. I was looking for a functioning game ouf of this.

**Hulksmash**

I've seen a couple of things that seem workable. But I think most people are still really in the testing phase. I'll think you'll see an actual tournament set of rules here in the next month or so as people get enough games in.

Overall the game is actually a lot of fun and very solid. And I feel people claiming it comes down to luck or that it always turns into a scrum in the middle and there aren't tactics are wrong.

I know we've got 2 slow-grow/escalation leagues starting up locally which is more Fantasy that I've seen played in the 5 years since I moved to Minnesota. So I'm hopeful right now