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Ouze wrote:Wonder Woman is probably the only part of Dawn of Whatever I'm interested in.

"Justice" is actually fewer letter to type than "Whatever"!

reds8n wrote:AFAIk the Wonder Woman movie is actually set during/in/around WW I.

Which is fair enough, that war is ....was..... certainly more morally grey than WW II.

World War I is what I've seen so far too.

I suppose it is possible she'll be shown fighting in multiple conflicts though?

Mr Morden wrote:

 Ouze wrote:
Wonder Woman is probably the only part of Dawn of Whatever I'm interested in.

Cap A 1 was one of the weakest Marvel films IMO so hoping for a really good WWII/superhero based film.

Is she likely to just fighting the Axis powers or is there a Wonder woman "villain" in that period - I know little about the character

See above - you may be waiting a while to see her in WWII...

We also got a glimpse of Katana's Soultaker, which was either degassing for some strange chemical reason or is magical too.

I think magic is 100% in play, and not just as "advanced alien technology." They've been kicking around the JL Dark project for a while.

My take is that it's not about pure realism in the DCEU, but instead about a little more realism in terms of how the existence of aliens, magic, etc. is received by the world.

Do we know if/when the Justice League Dark film is actually happening, and whether it's going to fit into this universe or not? I've seen things saying it's been moved up, moved back, cancelled, not cancelled, part of the DCCU, not part of it... I really hope it does go ahead, simply as the John Constantine deserves more than just one cancelled (but very good) series. Swamp Thing and Zatanna would be cool additions, too.

I don't think they're going to shy away from magic itself, it's pretty integral to a lot of characters they have lined up (WW, Shazam, Enchantress, Black Adam, Constantine and Zatanna if JL Dark does happen), I was more wondering how they were going to handle the mythological side of the WW stuff, whether they're going to make this particular pantheon a proven reality ect.

 gorgon wrote:
We also got a glimpse of Katana's Soultaker, which was either degassing for some strange chemical reason or is magical too.

It's magical. Geoff Johns said that it "devours the souls of those it has slain".

I think magic is 100% in play, and not just as "advanced alien technology." They've been kicking around the JL Dark project for a while.

My take is that it's not about pure realism in the DCEU, but instead about a little more realism in terms of how the existence of aliens, magic, etc. is received by the world.

So, initially before the WW project ever started filming there were suggestions that the Amazons/Atlanteans were going to be the descendants of a Kryptonian scout ship(the one we saw trapped in the ice in MoS).

Dunno if that is still going to be the case, with a bit of mysticism thrown in.

That scout ship thing was speculation from the guy at Batman on Film that the interwebz took and ran with (and freaked out about). I *believe* one of the execs at WB is on record saying she's the "daughter of Zeus."

Edit: WB would be idiots to ignore the awesomeness that was Azzarello's run on WW, and her relationships with the gods (her family) was central to that storyline. And I don't think that they're idiots.

Edit part deux: From an article on Screenrant...

So when Batman V Superman producer Charles Roven discussed the film for LMU Film School’s Hollywood Masters series, his comments regarding the next heroes to be introduced weren’t too shocking:

“Well Wonder Woman’s in it, we know that. She has powers, she’s a goddess. She’s half… she’s a demigod. Her father was Zeus."

WW promo looks pretty good actually. Really liking the WW1 angle, something different than the usual "save City X from destrcution" gak.

Still disappointed with the casting choice for WW.; she doesn't look very much like a warrior at all. Sadly(for me anyway ), it seems like she'll be around for awhile.

To clarify-

In everything we've seen so far - and admittedly it isn't much - she looks to be doing a fine job.

 Alpharius wrote:
In everything we've seen so far - and admittedly it isn't much - she looks to be doing a fine job.

Won't be too long before we have more footage to judge her performance on.

Well, if she's super strong she isn't probably actually working her muscles much. Throwing a sword around would be like you or me whipping around a straw.

She is not human - our rules about how our muscles look etc don't apply - Its the same with Asgardians, Elves, Eldar - loads of other sci-fi and fantasy races - they are inherently super strong, agile, fast because they are physically better than us. It might be the result different body composition, storage - transmission of energy, magic, or whatever.

Whether she is the daughter of actual Gods (whatever that means in the DC Cinematic universe), Kryptonian or something else we don't know but it means that she doe snot need to be big and bulky - just have the right background............

Remember that the Kyrtonians had at least one super ninja/mad scientist with a flying dragon to ride around o and apparently they was all fine and "realistic"

The whole "what do you need muscles for when you're a fantastical being" thing kind of falls apart when you look at Superman, who's fethed ripped.

 BlaxicanX wrote:
The whole "what do you need muscles for when you're a fantastical being" thing kind of falls apart when you look at Superman, who's fethed ripped.

That's just cause he's a farm boy.

For me it's not entirely about build. It's also about presence. Nothing I've ever seen in Gadot in and nothing in her pictures I've seen indicates I'll believe she could lay a dude out. Super powers or not she just lacks an aura of tough and capable.

I seem to recall an argument on these boards about cat woman not looking the part in The Dark Knight Rises. I will repeat here what I said there.

STFU you goddam nerds and look at that ass!




Seriously. Her fething muscles is where this loses reality for you?!?!?!


Jesus on a pogo stick.

 kronk wrote:
I seem to recall an argument on these boards about cat woman not looking the part in The Dark Knight Rises. I will repeat here what I said there.

STFU you goddam nerds and look at that ass!

Spoiler:

Seriously. Her fething muscles is where this loses reality for you?!?!?!


Jesus on a pogo stick.

So what you're saying is... She was casted for eye candy, and not because she fits the part?

She fits the part just fine.

Nah, I actually believed catwoman in Dark Knight Rises. She pulled off confident gymnast thief very well.

I'm not sure the muscles are the issues for everyone. Most people I talk to fee the same way I do. It's the aura of potential mayhem mixed with toughness and a capability around violence.

I never would have guess someone like Emily Blount for instance would have it. But when you see her in that "Live, Die, Repeat" movie, whatever the actual title, she totally pulls it off.

I guess I'll know more when I see it in theatres. Because I will see it in theatres

Said it since she was cast...the big question with Ms. Godot is her acting chops, not her muscles. Not that WW requires her to be Meryl Streep, but that's what carries a performance.

I mean, JHC...Scarlett Johannson isn't the least bit athletic-looking, and yet fanboys don't utter a peep about her as Black Widow. Of course, they're probably busy ogling other "assets," which are really what 75% of the complaints about Godot have to do with. But really, SJ does a decent job in the role, we suspend our disbelief, and it works.

Quite frankly, a lot of the fan suggestions I've seen for WW have predictably been no better or even worse. Gina Carano? She's cute and has physicality, but really don't see "goddess" presence. And I don't know that she's any improvement in the acting department. I don't see leading lady there.

Jamie Alexander...well, maybe. At times she even looks just like WW as drawn by Cliff Chiang...think it's in the eyes. But IIRC she talked with WB about the role and it didn't work out.

If someone wanted to bring up Charlize Theron, you'll get no argument from me, as she's basically *perfect* for the role -- terrific actor, has height, presence, looks, and can play tough or sweet. But they also probably weren't going to get her.

Given that the geek hivemind has a track record of fairly awful judgment with regards to casting genre characters, we should probably give Godot a chance.

Well said and Exalted!

Especially this part:

 gorgon wrote:

Given that the geek hivemind has a track record of fairly awful judgment with regards to casting genre characters, we should probably give Godot a chance.

Gorgon said it well.

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/01/25/new-images-from-batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice-emerge-online/


the one of interest..



....This appears to be from Bruce's (k)nightmare of the future.

... or maybe he is coming...

 Hulksmash wrote:
Gorgon said it well.

He did indeed.........

DARKSEID IS


Edit: Note the firepits in the background. New Apokolips, perhaps?





As my kids would say, IT'S ON LIKE DONKEY KONG!

Omega symbol on the ground, definitely Darkseid, as was speculated earlier when the last trailer had what appeared to be Parademons.

In a word, awesome. The funny thing is here that if Darkseid is to appear in JL Part 1, then DC have actually beaten Marvel to the punch, DS will take on the League before Thanos meets The Avengers... Not that I'm usually one to pit DC against Marvel, I just sit back and enjoy great films and comics from both, but since Thanos and Darkseid started out as pretty much identical characters, this is the one comparison that can be fairly drawn, I think.

http://uproxx.com/gammasquad/batman-v-superman-wonder-woman-age/2/

Gadot (who will totally fight you) told the magazine she initially thought she was auditioning to play Catwoman. Instead, she landed the role of Wonder Woman/Diana Prince, who will also totally fight you. Gadot said the two sides of her character — both of which will be seen in Batman V Superman — have their differences.

“They have the same attitude. Although when she is Diana she tries to blend in, she is not too outgoing. I don’t want people to think she is perfect. She can be naughty.” [Empire via What Culture]
The interview also revealed the DC Cinematic Universe version of Wonder Woman is going to be more than five thousand years old and was already in retirement when Batman V Superman begins. Gadot said Wonder Woman retired because “she’s seen it all. She has seen what humans can do, so it was very hard for her to come back and fight.”

Wouldn't say she was a day past 4,500 !


Guessing with that range of experience she'll still be better h2h than Batman then !

Yeah, apparently they're on record as saying WW is the best hand-to-hand combatant in their universe... Batman being the second best, of course!

Interesting that they're going with her actually being immortal. Big question about her now, power wise, is can this version fly? We've not seen that yet, and something about her stance in the (admittedly brief) glimpses of her in the trailers almost suggest to me that she can't, she seems very grounded while Superman is flying pretty much wherever possible.

 Paradigm wrote:
Yeah, apparently they're on record as saying WW is the best hand-to-hand combatant in their universe... Batman being the second best, of course!
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maybe

 Paradigm wrote:
Yeah, apparently they're on record as saying WW is the best hand-to-hand combatant in their universe... Batman being the second best, of course!

Interesting that they're going with her actually being immortal. Big question about her now, power wise, is can this version fly? We've not seen that yet, and something about her stance in the (admittedly brief) glimpses of her in the trailers almost suggest to me that she can't, she seems very grounded while Superman is flying pretty much wherever possible.

I wouldn't be surprised if they don't have her as being able to fly - I doubt she would need to be ridding a horse if she could (unless she just fancies the novelty) Also I would guess its more costly / PITA for them to make? Then again she does arrive in the battle with Superman and batman from nowhere.........

An immortal done well would be cool - for me one of the few really cool characters in Agents of shield is the Asgardian Elliot Randolph, nice to have a non angst ridden immortal

 Paradigm wrote:
Omega symbol on the ground, definitely Darkseid, as was speculated earlier when the last trailer had what appeared to be Parademons.

In a word, awesome. The funny thing is here that if Darkseid is to appear in JL Part 1, then DC have actually beaten Marvel to the punch, DS will take on the League before Thanos meets The Avengers... Not that I'm usually one to pit DC against Marvel, I just sit back and enjoy great films and comics from both, but since Thanos and Darkseid started out as pretty much identical characters, this is the one comparison that can be fairly drawn, I think.

Well, Marvel has more incentive for drawing things out with Thanos, since Marvel superhero films are all they make. They don't want to get there TOO quickly. I tend to think that WB has a shorter-term focus -- that they don't plan to run this DCEU until 2037 or whatever Feige says these days about the MCU. After 2020 or so, WB will probably move on to other things and maybe reboot some of the characters. Which seems kinda fitting giving the history of their respective comics universes!

And regarding the two big bads...Darkseid is much scarier than Thanos, IMO. Thanos is trying to impress a chick! Who doesn't understand that? Darkseid wants to crush the concept of free will...just because.