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Cheers for clearing it up guys.

My goal, top half of those of us travelling over from the UK, top 25% overall would be nice. My goal is also to get Jesse drunk, but that's basically written in stone lol

 Reecius wrote:

As for score cards on the screen, we have figured out a way to do it, but so far, it looks like crap. We're working on a nicer looking solution and think we've got it worked out.

Well if you're using OBS you can just do it in layers like photoshop, and then use icon for various things, so it's cleaner. Magic streams use a Phyrexian symbol for poison and a number next to it, instead of "Poison Counters: X", and yes I bring up Magic a lot, but it's not because I think it's the end all be all, it's just I think they're the biggest and in turn the best. I don't want you guys to just copy them, but use their knowledge and make it your own awesome thing for 40k that will one day rival them D:

Also, if you go with icons for things you can do a ton since you can compress a lot of information in a small space, even show full army lists with gear and what's left since it just takes an icon of a Riptide head with a red dot and a burst cannon behind the head to convey a full load out, that can be compressed to a fraction of the space. Then just have a link to a chart that explains the icons to anyone who isn't familiar. Then if it's dead you have the same icon with a red X overlayed on it.

Probably not feseable for this upcoming LVO, but if you want to show more than just current VP, and show what the VPs are from you can have a box that says "VP: X" on it, or just a box with a number, and then have different icons under it like a Warboss head with a number in the corner to convey something like Slay The Warlord with a Dx roll for bonus points. That way it conveys the important information in bold with the number of VPs, and those interested can look at the icons under it and get a better idea of where the points came from, it's very neat and simple that way without much clutter, the hard part is finding good icons for each objective you're using.

Edit: And again, please don't take anything I say as "you're wrong, I'm right" or "you don't know what you're doing" that's not my intention at all, I absolutely am astounded by how much work you guys put in, so everything I'm offering is simply my opinion that I don't expect to be taken completely seriously, but simply to provide a data point that might be useful.

with two tables being streamed,

This is seriously impressive, I didn't even suggest this because of how difficult I thought it would be with a mini wargame. Are you doing two different channels, or are you switching between the two games? I'm super hyped to watch as much of this live as I can now D:

@Hot Sizzle

Good luck!

@Kloma

Np

@Tinkrr

No worries, dude, we appreciate the feedback. You don't seem like you're being bossy (or what have you) at all. The enthusiasm and pointed feedback are appreciated.

We came to the same conclusion with the photo-shopped overlay. Luckily, Mariana is really good with Photoshop, so she will be able to whip something up.

But yeah, we'll have two tables separate from the main Con which will be rigged for streaming, along with a (semi) mobile cam, too. We'll be going back and forth between tables to cover multiple games. That gives the shout casters a break, too, as commentating for hours on end is rough.

We're very excited for it. Going to be a great event. Only 4 weeks to go!

 Reecius wrote:
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We'll be going back and forth between tables to cover multiple games.

The one bad thing about that is if you're really getting into a game as a spectator and it swaps to a game you're less interested in, it can really kill the mood. Granted, that doesn't mean it will always ruin it, just that it has to be done very well to keep it from making someone go "Aw man, I had a great time watching that DE vs. Tau game and then they swapped it to Spice Marines vs. Spice Wolves, and I don't even like Dune D: "

Yeah, it will be a balancing act and a learning experience, I have no doubt of that. I don't expect the team to be 100% pro this year, but it will be a step in that direction.

Feel free to note any good and bad points you see during the stream and let us know your thoughts. We always appreciate the feedback.

Something I'd really like to see, is to see all the main tournament lists posted, I'd even volunteer to type them up and format them if needed. Having that data available is massive for analyzing what's going on, and developing armies for players.

That being said, if it would be possible to type up the lists of the feature matches and post them during the game, even if it's like ten minutes in, and then link them to a Twitch Bot so a "!command" will post a link to them, or have a link in the stream page somewhere, it would be an awesome reference while watching the game since some of the wargear and such gets lost when zoomed out.

Additionally for the first couple feature matches, before there's an easy way to go "Well these people are X-0, put them on" how are you going to select people? If possible I'd advise picking top end players who are playing unconventional armies/lists since they're less likely to make it into the later rounds. Not because they're not good, or they can't make it, simply because there will be a lot more players running a standard army/list and it's more likely that one of the X players makes it then the one player running something different. That way there can be a showcase early on of some of the more interesting things, that can still carry over to later rounds, but it's not quite as lost due to compression of large sample sizes. Basically, if Willow is there with her DE, since she's in the top 20, she should be in the first round of streaming, since most people don't play DE, and if they do it's not at that level, meaning that if you don't get her in early, there's a chance something like bad luck, or simply the number of players in the event could edge her out from being featured in later rounds in a game that involves equal skill. This becomes even more important if they're playing a more common list that round, since it can showcase how it preforms against something more tried and true, as opposed to two off the wall lists bashing heads with no internal reference from the spectator.

Edit: Also, as a side note, as a Tau player, I hate how the vocal minority of the community has reacted to the ITC. I absolutely support all your voting results for the Tau, since I thought CFP in RAW form was absurd. I think the current version of the ITC rules for Tau are pretty spot on, aside from the things that don't have a ruling (Piranhas, Earth Caste Pilot Arrays on regular Riptides, etc). It's not like Tau was exactly bad before either, it just wasn't top tier, now it has so many optional buffs and new toys that it could honestly just ignore the Decurion and still be completely fine, as many players have... Even the Tau Tactica thread constantly has people talking about an abundance of options now when building a list, some of which even disagree with your rulings.

I've heard rumours and hushed whisperings from the darkest corners of a pub crawl? (or i saw pictures of last years) Is this gonna happen this year?

@kloma Short Answer, yes. You sign up for it on the website

Thanks Mate, so many links, this is what i get for letting my bud organise the whole thing lol.

Yeah, Pub Crawl here: It's an absolute riot! http://store.frontlinegaming.org/lvo-pub-crawl-ticket/dp/12905

Event info, here: https://www.frontlinegaming.org/lvo-2016-pub-crawl/

Run by LaJollaGrad on these forums if you want any info. Every year it is seriously a blast.


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@Tinkrr

Thanks for the support, much appreciated!

And yeah, we use the !list command with Twitch Bot to bring up player's lists, it's a good feature.

We're leading off with the former champ, Sean Nayden for the first game (and whomever he draws as his first game).

 Reecius wrote:
Yeah, Pub Crawl here: It's an absolute riot! http://store.frontlinegaming.org/lvo-pub-crawl-ticket/dp/12905

Event info, here: https://www.frontlinegaming.org/lvo-2016-pub-crawl/

Run by LaJollaGrad on these forums if you want any info. Every year it is seriously a blast.

It will be legendary

Oh, and here's PP's announcement that they'll be at the LVO!

http://privateerpress.com/community/privateer-insider/insider-01-13-2016

I have a feeling eldar with the new corsair book are going to crush the competition this year. Hoping I'm wrong though and there is more parity between armies.

gungo wrote:
I have a feeling eldar with the new corsair book are going to crush the competition this year. Hoping I'm wrong though and there is more parity between armies.

No they won't. There's actually a good balance of top-tier teams with Eldar, Tau, Space Marines, Necrons and even War Convocation.

But mainly, the top tournament players there won't all be running Eldar.

Looking forward to LVO 2017, when I wont be deployed. : /

Cant wait for this years coverage though, good luck to all!

 jy2 wrote:

gungo wrote:
I have a feeling eldar with the new corsair book are going to crush the competition this year. Hoping I'm wrong though and there is more parity between armies.

No they won't. There's actually a good balance of top-tier teams with Eldar, Tau, Space Marines, Necrons and even War Convocation.

But mainly, the top tournament players there won't all be running Eldar.

I understand not everyone is taking them I just expect them to take it all. Not a rant or claiming thier overpowered. It's just my opinion they are the strongest army for this tournament and I expect them to win it all.

Eldar and Eldar Corsairs hasn't been doing that great in the ITC format. Especially when Eldar goes first.

I truly feel Battle Company is gonna do amazing at LVO.

 Julnlecs wrote:
Eldar and Eldar Corsairs hasn't been doing that great in the ITC format. Especially when Eldar goes first.

I truly feel Battle Company is gonna do amazing at LVO.

That's just the post coitus euphoria yer feelin' after schtupping GTA's Corsairs at the Butcher's of Bakersfield GT.

The battle company is cute.

I'm just pumped to see it all go down! Going to be so much fun.

@lechine

Stay safe during your deployment!

Reecius is the new Skathach Wraithknight allowed at LVO?

Also would any American's like to save on FW postage for a nearly new Skathach Wraithknight?

He should be legal as long as his Hellstorm isn't Torrent. He is, after all, still a Wraithknight, which is a legal LoW in the ITC.

 jy2 wrote:
He should be legal as long as his Hellstorm isn't Torrent. He is, after all, still a Wraithknight, which is a legal LoW in the ITC.

Nah not torrent and the 7" blast doesn't ignore cover.

In case of daemons, break out the Daemonology: Sanctic. I'm gonna watch those Khorne Dogs dodge multiple vortices. Imperial Knight? Enemy WK? Boring game?

In case of Irrelevant, just-for-fun Round 5. Or Round 4. Or Round 3 ....

The answer to all of these:

Sasquatch Wraithknight is good to go, yeah.

 Reecius wrote:
Sasquatch Wraithknight is good to go, yeah.

Are they called sasquath because they will be so rare no one actually sees one?

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

 Reecius wrote:
Sasquatch Wraithknight is good to go, yeah.

Are they called sasquath because they will be so rare no one actually sees one?

Nah, they're just hairy because they're allergic to the wax the other Wraithknights use to be dolphin smooth.

Lol

Which army does everyone think will win it all ? My top picks in no order are eldar, Space Marines and Tau.

 Dozer Blades wrote:
Which army does everyone think will win it all ? My top picks in no order are eldar, Space Marines and Tau.

Agree with this list although I can see a dark angel/space wolf army break into the top 3 and knock down tau to 4th.
War convocation, chaos demon, with at least another space marine and eldar corsair list will round out top 8.

People always claim necron is stronger yet they Couldnt break the top 15 in this event last year using the old or new book and not much has changed for them since.