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 Frazzled wrote:

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:
The posts in this thread...good heavens.

Get off of your high hipster Hot Topic horses - the nature of any predator, humans included, will promote predatory activity. Your brain gets a nice shot of dopamine every time you have sex, chase down an animal, eat, make a useful tool, etc. Newsflash: first person shooters, driving games, and sport hunting all tap the exact same drive to conquer and consume. And calling sport hunting "cruel" is abysmally ignorant. Watch a good nature show about predators for an hour or so and you'll see a hell of a lot more cruelty than in a hunting documentary. Nearly all of the animals I've taken using rifle or bow were DRT, which is a lot more than I can say for the animals that get mauled and eaten alive by Hyenas in the African Savannah, or by coyotes in the US.

I'll restate: Its because they get a kick out of killing something. We have another name for them...psychotics.

You know what other animal plays with its prey before killing it? Cats. Cats are evil. They are first against the wall when the great Dachshund revolution comes. Trophy hunters are like cats. Therefore trophy hunters are evil too, and will be put against the wall when the revolution comes. Repent yee sinners of your catlike sins!

Proof that sport hunters "play with" their prey before they kill it? I have yet to see a single hunter torture an animal, though I'm sure that people have done such things just as they do them outside of sport hunting.

Sport hunting doesn't fit the DSM definition of psychosis at all. This whole "I don't like it, so I'm going to brand it crazy" approach is a curious throwback to the days of throwing political opponents into mental asylums. In 'Merica, the only response to "stop liking the things I don't like!" is, "Well, man up Nancy."

Well this guy watched a lion die for 40 hours. Bow hunters often don't kill their prey and using an inferior weapon which dramatically increases the likelihood of such.

If you're not taking meat then you just shooting to kill it. They are hunting just to kill something. Thats classic early serial killer behavior. My point stands.

You don't like it, quit getting off killing something that didn't do anything to you.
As to man up Nancy. Again, take a taxi to Compton, or Pomona. Wear a T shirt with a rebel flag. Prove your manliness. Come on wussies.

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 djones520 wrote:

 Breotan wrote:
Lion hunting should only be done hand-to-hand. Oh, and put it on Pay-Per-View. Same with bull fighting. Those pointy metal sticks are cheating.

Evolution gave lions claws, strong muscles, and sharp reflexes. It gave us brains to figure out who to make pointy metal sticks. Use the tools that nature provided you with.

Fair enough, the Lion and hunter can both only use what natural resources are within the arena

Can the arena be filled with water?

 Smacks wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 djones520 wrote:

 Breotan wrote:
Lion hunting should only be done hand-to-hand. Oh, and put it on Pay-Per-View. Same with bull fighting. Those pointy metal sticks are cheating.

Evolution gave lions claws, strong muscles, and sharp reflexes. It gave us brains to figure out who to make pointy metal sticks. Use the tools that nature provided you with.

Fair enough, the Lion and hunter can both only use what natural resources are within the arena

Can the arena be filled with water?

Lions can swim

Here in Pennsylvania deer are a huge problem, just drive down one of our roads in western PA and you will see deer killed by cars. Hunting is need to try and keep the deer population in check.
Had a friend of mine son get killed by a deer when he was driving down the road and the deer jumper through his windshield killing my buddies son. Also a a friend when she was driving down the road had a deer go through her window smashing her face and knocked her teeth out. Thankfully she lived but had to go through plastic surgery to fix her face and teeth.

 Chute82 wrote:
Here in Pennsylvania deer are a huge problem, just drive down one of our roads in western PA and you will see deer killed by cars. Hunting is need to try and keep the deer population in check.
Had a friend of mine son get killed by a deer when he was driving down the road and the deer jumper through his windshield killing my buddies son. Also a a friend when she was driving down the road had a deer go through her window smashing her face and knocked her teeth out. Thankfully she lived but had to go through plastic surgery to fix her face and teeth.

yes they are like big rats and will breed up in an area until they overwhelm it and are starving.

 Frazzled wrote:

 Chute82 wrote:
Here in Pennsylvania deer are a huge problem, just drive down one of our roads in western PA and you will see deer killed by cars. Hunting is need to try and keep the deer population in check.
Had a friend of mine son get killed by a deer when he was driving down the road and the deer jumper through his windshield killing my buddies son. Also a a friend when she was driving down the road had a deer go through her window smashing her face and knocked her teeth out. Thankfully she lived but had to go through plastic surgery to fix her face and teeth.

yes they are like big rats and will breed up in an area until they overwhelm it and are starving.

When I was a kid deer 80's hunting in PA if you didn't see a 100 deer during rifle season it was a bad day. You could not shoot doe deer at that time only for 3 days late in the season and they didn't give out many doe tags at that time. Now they give out thousands of doe tags and you can hunt them in most areas the entire rifle season. They are trying to get the deer population back in check but now there is a ton of posted property you can't hunt. Canadian geese are also a big problem here in western pa they upped the limit in September to 10 geese per hunter a day, you can't swim in most lakes because of the amount of goose poop.

Deer sausage...mmm.

 Frazzled wrote:
Deer sausage...mmm.

Please, Frazz.

Deer jerky. Far better.

I bow to your wisdom. My old teeth cannot handle jerky well alas and alack.

 Frazzled wrote:
Well this guy watched a lion die for 40 hours. Bow hunters often don't kill their prey and using an inferior weapon which dramatically increases the likelihood of such.

If you're not taking meat then you just shooting to kill it. They are hunting just to kill something. Thats classic early serial killer behavior. My point stands.

You don't like it, quit getting off killing something that didn't do anything to you.
As to man up Nancy. Again, take a taxi to Compton, or Pomona. Wear a T shirt with a rebel flag. Prove your manliness. Come on wussies.

I've never watched an animal die for 40 hours - that's called poor shooting and the meat would taste awful. Pretty much every deer I've shot with a bow was DRT - nobody hunts with a cowboys and Indians style bow, and modern bows are exceptionally powerful. If you double-lung an animal, it will die right there. Compared to pretty much any natural death, this is as close as its gets to an ideal way to go.

The dichotomy between trophy hunting and food hunting is really false, because nearly all deer hunters would prefer a big-rack buck to a doe, but they would eat the meat in both cases. And let's be honest here - hunting at all is for the purpose of killing something. I could go to the supermarket any day of the week and buy an equal amount of meat for around the same price as it costs me in licenses, arrows, stamps, gas to and from a hunting spot, etc.

As for your invitation, a good number of hunters (myself included) have "proven our manliness" in plenty of ways, such as serving in combat units operating in war zones. It's pretty ignorant to assume that every hunter is a coward or serial killer...most of us just like being closer to nature which, whether you are prepared to accept it or not, involves predatory activities.

As for your invitation, a good number of hunters (myself included) have "proven our manliness" in plenty of ways, such as serving in combat units operating in war zones. It's pretty ignorant to assume that every hunter is a coward or serial killer...most of us just like being closer to nature which, whether you are prepared to accept it or not, involves predatory activities.

I amazingly don't give a gak. If you don't like the moniker don't do the crime.

 Frazzled wrote:

As for your invitation, a good number of hunters (myself included) have "proven our manliness" in plenty of ways, such as serving in combat units operating in war zones. It's pretty ignorant to assume that every hunter is a coward or serial killer...most of us just like being closer to nature which, whether you are prepared to accept it or not, involves predatory activities.

I amazingly don't give a gak. If you don't like the moniker don't do the crime.

Hunting isn't a crime...aren't you a lawyer?

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

As for your invitation, a good number of hunters (myself included) have "proven our manliness" in plenty of ways, such as serving in combat units operating in war zones. It's pretty ignorant to assume that every hunter is a coward or serial killer...most of us just like being closer to nature which, whether you are prepared to accept it or not, involves predatory activities.

I amazingly don't give a gak. If you don't like the moniker don't do the crime.

Hunting isn't a crime...aren't you a lawyer?

You younins never getting old phrases. One day I will learn you how to be a hep cat like myself.

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:
...most of us just like being closer to nature which, whether you are prepared to accept it or not, involves predatory activities.

That's not true at all. It may be how you feel closer to nature but it in no way means that in order to feel closer to nature you have to kill it.

Thinking that killing something makes you closer to it is pretty chilling, I think. I mean it's basically the exact reason that Joker gave in The Dark Knight for why he liked to use a knife over a gun, so he could see close up all of the emotions of those he killed and so know them better than their friends.

Many people work every day with animals in conservation parks and facilities. I imagine they feel closer to the animals they care for every day than you do to the animals you have hunted.

Dian Fossey comes to mind...

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:
...most of us just like being closer to nature which, whether you are prepared to accept it or not, involves predatory activities.

That's not true at all. It may be how you feel closer to nature but it in no way means that in order to feel closer to nature you have to kill it.

Thinking that killing something makes you closer to it is pretty chilling, I think. I mean it's basically the exact reason that Joker gave in The Dark Knight for why he liked to use a knife over a gun, so he could see close up all of the emotions of those he killed and so know them better than their friends.

Many people work every day with animals in conservation parks and facilities. I imagine they feel closer to the animals they care for every day than you do to the animals you have hunted.

Dian Fossey comes to mind...

Hunting is an important part of our heritage. Our ancestors only survived because they could hunt and get nutrients.

Everyone should, at least once in their life, either raise an animal for meat or go hunting. Its a wonderful experience.

 Grey Templar wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:
...most of us just like being closer to nature which, whether you are prepared to accept it or not, involves predatory activities.

That's not true at all. It may be how you feel closer to nature but it in no way means that in order to feel closer to nature you have to kill it.

Thinking that killing something makes you closer to it is pretty chilling, I think. I mean it's basically the exact reason that Joker gave in The Dark Knight for why he liked to use a knife over a gun, so he could see close up all of the emotions of those he killed and so know them better than their friends.

Many people work every day with animals in conservation parks and facilities. I imagine they feel closer to the animals they care for every day than you do to the animals you have hunted.

Dian Fossey comes to mind...

Hunting is an important part of our heritage. Our ancestors only survived because they could hunt and get nutrients.

Everyone should, at least once in their life, either raise an animal for meat or go hunting. Its a wonderful experience.

I hunted pigeons made of clay. Does that count?

Not really.

Unless he ate them.

 MrDwhitey wrote:
Unless he ate them.

Clay tastes like blood.
Does that mean its meat?

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:

Hunting isn't a crime.

Depends entirely where and what one hunts.


If, for example, one hunts a Lion that is supposed to be protected then that could well be a crime.

Context is important. That person he was quoting was calling all hunting a crime.

No, he clearly wasn't.

 reds8n wrote:

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:

Hunting isn't a crime.

Depends entirely where and what one hunts.


If, for example, one hunts a Lion that is supposed to be protected then that could well be a crime.

The problem is people are using the wrong word to describe somthing, either out of ignorance, or because they paint all hunters with the same brush they would paint poachers with.

Hunting is legal and all that, *POACHING* (what happened to the lion) is not legal, and hunters are probably the biggest group actually trying to stop poachers through funding/action/ect.


So when people talk about "hunting like that" what they really mean is poaching, but that is not what they are saying. To use the word hunting to describe what is actually poaching, is the same as calling every soldier who killed someone in battle a murderer.

We have different words for these things for a reason and all that.

Ok, Frazz wasn't, but the person up the chain was.

double tap

 Grey Templar wrote:
Ok, Frazz wasn't, but the person up the chain was.

Well it's something we can agree on, all hunting is definitely not a crime. If someone actually said that earlier, well... I think we'll both share an opinion on their view.

 easysauce wrote:
double tap

As the wife has pointed out several times, when people say double tap we think of a completely different thing most of the time...

http://www.zombielandrules.com/zombieland-rule-2-double-tap/

So how much longer do we all care about this dead lion? Seems like we're about due for a return to our default position of "not caring about Africa or anyone in it".

Ouze wrote:
So how much longer do we all care about this dead lion? Seems like we're about due for a return to our default position of "not caring about Africa or anyone in it".

Wait... I thought we weren't supposed to meddle in other countries affairs??

To be fair though, I think extradiction is a bit much.