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The new TIE appears to have a huge action bar - it reaches up to, possibly into, the printed firing arc.

I can't see it not having Evade, Focus and Barrel Roll as it currently does, but I'm unconvinced on Target Lock.

Possibly, but I'd wonder if it might be Boost instead - after all, a TIE fighter has always been made out to be the faster-but-more-flimsy of the two - if the X-wing is getting Boost, does it not make sense for the TIE to get the same treatment?

This is a great move from FFG. Retailers, like Target, only want to stock the most current version of things. Just like WoTC releasing "Magic 2015" in 2014, this will let FFG put an 'up to date' complete version of the game on the shelves.

Well, lets hope the new starter set is compatible and interchangeable with the original game. Right down to the damage deck and templates.
What a PITA if FFG adds new and different Crits...then what? Cant play beyond casual unless you drop $50+ just to get the new deck?

Of course this could also be a huge money maker for FFG. How many starter sets needed to make a TIE/FO Swarm (not counting a single booster to get the extra cards...though adding a kitted Howlrunner to a FO swarm could be nasty).

(EDIT) And we see a new card type...the upgrade with the funky 40K Land-raider looking symbol. Lets hope whatever goodies this represents will eventually lead to a 0 point upgrade to add more goodness to older ships...that way BTL and Bomb Loadout have breathed new life into the old Y-Wing.

locarno24 wrote:
The new TIE appears to have a huge action bar - it reaches up to, possibly into, the printed firing arc.

I can't see it not having Evade, Focus and Barrel Roll as it currently does, but I'm unconvinced on Target Lock.

Possibly, but I'd wonder if it might be Boost instead - after all, a TIE fighter has always been made out to be the faster-but-more-flimsy of the two - if the X-wing is getting Boost, does it not make sense for the TIE to get the same treatment?

The ship definitely has four actions, that much is certain. However, on every ship token, the action are always printed in descending order: Cloak, Boost, Evade, Barrel Roll, Target Lock, Focus (SLAM is before Target Lock but only one ship has that action). The first action on the ship token doesn't look like the Boost symbol, but it does look like the Evade.

KellyJ wrote:
Well, lets hope the new starter set is compatible and interchangeable with the original game. Right down to the damage deck and templates.
What a PITA if FFG adds new and different Crits...then what? Cant play beyond casual unless you drop $50+ just to get the new deck?

I doubt the starter set will retail for $50+, but you do raise an interesting point. There is no denying that critical damage effects in the current deck need attention to make them more well rounded. For instance, there is no critical effect that removes crew members. That effect would be devastating to Fat Han just like getting Munitions Failure is to the Outrider.

(EDIT) And we see a new card type...the upgrade with the funky 40K Land-raider looking symbol. Lets hope whatever goodies this represents will eventually lead to a 0 point upgrade to add more goodness to older ships...that way BTL and Bomb Loadout have breathed new life into the old Y-Wing.

Don't count on it. According to the back of the box, there isn't that many upgrade cards in the core set (similar to the original core set), so there most likely isn't any cards in there to buff other ships.

Really interested in how ffg handles this.
I'm pretty sure this will be a reboot of the core set.
The rules need to be updated with the faqs and expanded to mention the many new abilities and rules in the set.
The new upgrade symbol my guess is an imperial droid.
The new damage deck I'm sure will be required for tournaments.
And I'm sure the whole resistance and first order is just a rebrand of the core factions Making them interchangeable.

However we have three missing sku's which appear to be starter set, t-70 xwing, tie/fo. My question is assuming thy keep the old tie/ln and t-65 xwing I am fairly positive ffg will not stock two nearly identical core sets. So what happens to the old exclusive cards in the core set? Will they be added to the original xwing and tie/ln expansion packs or added to the new set ( making no sense including ship cards when the ship isn't included) That's what I wonder what ffg will do because this will explain how ffg plans to handle older expansion packs that retire in the future.

I think you answered your own question, gungo. The old exclusive cards in the core set will remain exclusive to the old core set.

Somehow I doubt they will make cards exclusive and discontinue them. And I doubt they will sell multiple starter sets. So I hope they place the relevant cards in the t-65 xwing and tie/ln expansions as a repAck.

Time for a little speculation.
So some other toys and Lego sets and stuff has leaked for TFA.
Here are some pics of a new TIE/FO tie fighter.

Looks like a normal TIE to me.
Look at the interior.

Wow a two seater.

Okay now this is interesting. Doesn't that look like a secondary cannon/turret mount to you?
So we know there is a new TIE card called TIE/FO. I assume it stands for "First Order". So can one of the upgrades now be a cannon or a turret. However I do not think it would be a standard turret. Something more along the lines of the Firesprays rear arc.
What if it is a torpedo launcher?

 Nicorex wrote:
Time for a little speculation.
So some other toys and Lego sets and stuff has leaked for TFA.
Here are some pics of a new TIE/FO tie fighter.

Looks like a normal TIE to me.
Look at the interior.

Wow a two seater.

Okay now this is interesting. Doesn't that look like a secondary cannon/turret mount to you?
So we know there is a new TIE card called TIE/FO. I assume it stands for "First Order". So can one of the upgrades now be a cannon or a turret. However I do not think it would be a standard turret. Something more along the lines of the Firesprays rear arc.
What if it is a torpedo launcher?

From watching the force awakens trailer there looks like 2 different ties. A regular tie, probably the one in the starter, and whats being called a special forces tie with 2 seats and an underslung turret.

Maybe the wings pop off and it becomes a tank.

Maybe they'll just pack the old pilot cards into the new box with a card that says 'these bonuses can be used with our X-Wing and Tie Fighter expansion packs'

Or maybe they'll sell the currentcore set through their online store only.

Or maybe they will sell both, or even leave it up to the game stores to choose if they want to sell both.

 Crazyterran wrote:
Maybe they'll just pack the old pilot cards into the new box with a card that says 'these bonuses can be used with our X-Wing and Tie Fighter expansion packs'

Nope.

In the last picture you can see that five upgrade cards come in the box, just like the original core set. Now, we cannot see how many pilot cards come in the new core set, but I don't expect them to package cards for models that don't come in the box. This isn't an expansion set like Most Wanted, it's new Core Set. Like the old one, it will only have what can be used on the ships that come in the box and it will be more or less a complete "gaming experience."

Or maybe they'll sell the currentcore set through their online store only.

Possibly, but I think we'll be able to continue to purchase the old core set from retailers.

Or maybe they will sell both, or even leave it up to the game stores to choose if they want to sell both.

I think this is the most likely course of action.

 ScootyPuffJunior wrote:

Or maybe they will sell both, or even leave it up to the game stores to choose if they want to sell both.

I think this is the most likely course of action.

I think you are correct, but I do imagine that eventually Organized Play events will require you to have the new damage deck. I plan on buying multiples if individual blisters of the new X-Wings and Ties aren't released at the same time (as in, I want 8 Ties and 4 X-Wings) so I would imagine all the extras from this new Core will be able to be found on eBay from people doing the same.


Caveat: Note my wording, I said organized play events. I do not mean your basement/livingroom/gettingtogether with friends games so I implore people not to take us down the path of posts of "I don't need this I just play with friends." I would not be at all surprised if this years World Championships require you to have the damage deck from this.

 derek wrote:
I think you are correct, but I do imagine that eventually Organized Play events will require you to have the new damage deck. I plan on buying multiples if individual blisters of the new X-Wings and Ties aren't released at the same time (as in, I want 8 Ties and 4 X-Wings) so I would imagine all the extras from this new Core will be able to be found on eBay from people doing the same.

We don't know that there is a new damage deck. The word has been that FFG has wanted to make changes to the damage deck, but there is no confirmation that they have or will give us a new deck.

 ScootyPuffJunior wrote:

 derek wrote:
I think you are correct, but I do imagine that eventually Organized Play events will require you to have the new damage deck. I plan on buying multiples if individual blisters of the new X-Wings and Ties aren't released at the same time (as in, I want 8 Ties and 4 X-Wings) so I would imagine all the extras from this new Core will be able to be found on eBay from people doing the same.

We don't know that there is a new damage deck. The word has been that FFG has wanted to make changes to the damage deck, but there is no confirmation that they have or will give us a new deck.

Yeah, it's definitely something to hope for, but it's a bit of a coin toss. It would mean actually changing some rules, whereas I think most of the changes to the rulebook will be to consolidate expansion rules.

It appears that the new T-70 X-wing and TIE/fo pilots were spoiled:




First of all, the new (and yet unknown) upgrade symbol is on every pilot for both factions. We are also getting the same amount of pilots as we did in the original core set: four X-wing pilots and six TIE pilots.

It appears I was correct, the new TIE has a Target Lock action and they also have one shield! The lowest generic TIE is 15 points (opposed to Academy Pilot at 12), meaning you can field six of them with ten points for upgrades or better pilots. Speaking of which:

"Omega Ace" (PS 7): When attacking, you may spend a focus token and a target lock you have on the defender to change all of your results to [crit] results.

"Epsilon Leader" (PS 6): At the start of the Combat phase, remove 1 stress token from each friendly ship at Range 1.

"Zeta Ace" (PS 5): When performing a barrel roll, you may use the (2 straight) template instead of the (1 straight) template.

Omega Ace can take an Elite Talent, and Push the Limit seems like it would work quite nice for him. Pair him with Epsilon Leader and his super-Wingman pilot ability and you won't have to worry much about stress. Zeta Ace can pretty much do a decloaking move, which is pretty cool.

The T-70 X-wing pilots:

Poe Dameron (PS 8): When attacking or defending, if you have a focus token, you may change 1 of your [eye] results to a [hit] or [evade] result.

"Blue Ace" (PS 5): When performing a boost action, you may use the (1 left turn) or (1 right turn) template

Poe and Red Squadron Veteran both have the Elite Talent upgrade, but Blue Ace does not. They can all take Astromechs and Torpedoes, plus whatever the new upgrade is.

One thing I did find interesting about this whole thing is that no new characters are spoiled. The only pilot with a name, Poe Dameron, is a character that's we've already been introduced to via promotional materials for Episode VII. That's deserves a tip of the hat from me because I am actively avoid all spoilers for the new movie (outside of the basic promotional stuff in magazines, trailers, etc.).

I'm guessing the new symbol is for Modifications as all the ships have it and it makes it clear to new players that all ships can have one

 Turnip Jedi wrote:
I'm guessing the new symbol is for Modifications as all the ships have it and it makes it clear to new players that all ships can have one

I thought about that too, but Modification cards already use a crossed wrench symbol on their card backs:



But who knows... It isn't out of the realm of possibility for FFG to make a new symbol. I'm sure we'll find out soon enough!

Fair point but the spanner never appears on the 'old' ship upgrade bar and like you say using the spanner icon would make more sense but I also can't see a TIE having a droid slot

Extra pondering, it might be for a new class of 'one-shot' cards as one-shot EPT's don't really seem like 'talents' to me

I'm putting money on tech upgrades only available to next gen ships.

 Turnip Jedi wrote:
Fair point but the spanner never appears on the 'old' ship upgrade bar and like you say using the spanner icon would make more sense but I also can't see a TIE having a droid slot

Extra pondering, it might be for a new class of 'one-shot' cards as one-shot EPT's don't really seem like 'talents' to me

Yeah, I don't think it's a new droid type.

I'm inclined to agree with Azreal in that it's probably some new type of "tech upgrade" or something (similar to Illicit Upgrades for Scum) along those lines.

I wouldnt use toys as a metric to ship designs (in reference to the two-seat tie/fo. Action figures, particularly star wars action figures, have a long history of non-canonical designs.

Not to say there *isnt* a turreted two-seat tie fighter in the films, just that its not indicative of it.

chaos0xomega wrote:
I wouldnt use toys as a metric to ship designs (in reference to the two-seat tie/fo. Action figures, particularly star wars action figures, have a long history of non-canonical designs.

Not to say there *isnt* a turreted two-seat tie fighter in the films, just that its not indicative of it.

There is:



The toy TIE fighter is the black and red "Special Forces" TIE from that scene. Note the red stripe on the side, the round pieces where the panels attach to the supports, the narrow rear window, and the obvious turret underneath.

Then there is the "regular" TIE that is pretty much just like the original one, except with reverse colors:

Well I can definitely see a new droid type of slot for the xwing, I hope these new xwings wont be making old ones obsolete, I'm assuming thats why they gave them new droid types (but 3 points for boost and an extra shield is pretty rockin). I'm going to put my money that new slot being some sort of new tech upgrade, and if they played it right maybe make it so that ships with the new "tech" upgrade slot cannot get a modification, that way our older ships still get to stand on their own along with the new ones.

The droid icon on the new X-wing pilot card is the same as the one on the current card.

 ScootyPuffJunior wrote:
The droid icon on the new X-wing pilot card is the same as the one on the current card.

whoops, you are correct! Well, now there is no point to take generic xwings beyond the special characters

Plus the crossed wrenches (to me) look like a pair of lightsabers. So this new symbol may just be the new Mod symbol.

I had not seen that GIF yet SPJ. Thanks for sharing it.
I am going to guess we will get a new "Imp Ace's" box with the S.F. TIE's.

Oh also are we assuming these will be released Sep.4th or just announced then?

I would assume announced. Even if they were released and announced in the same day, they wouldnt be available for sale anywhere as retailers cannot order what they do not know exists.

Except that it is believed that the original leaked pic's ( the ones of the new unopened box) came from a Target. That means some retailers already have them. They just can not display them yet.
I do not know if that is true or not though.

I am excited for this release. I will pick up 2 of the new box's. (Because I really need all the tokens! {SARCASM!}) Plus if the other two unreleased SKU's are a single of the T-70 and FO TIE's, I will nab a x-wing and 2 more TIE's.

There going to be released on September 4. At GenCon, FFG made mention of having some "on the water already" for Force Friday. That's also why we're seeing spoilers as the products are starting to arrive at distributors.

I think the new icon is some kind of tech upgrade that only ships of this era can use. This stuff had to have been under development at least as long as (if not before) Wave 8 and the new symbol doesn't appear on any of those cards.