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Skip 40k and stick with playing FFG's rpgs.


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 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Is AoS really that terrible

Yes.

Hope that GW goes down faster than ever so someone competent can take over.

niv-mizzet wrote:
Hope that GW goes down faster than ever so someone competent can take over.

I mean...I can understand the rationalization behind that, but I still would much rather GW just started acting like nearly every other wargame company.

Yes, I'm fully aware the chances are near zero that will happen, and I'm also aware its at least in part due to them being a public company and a large one (relatively speaking) at that.

Still, I have fond memories of 5th, and even enjoyed the occasional game of 6th, despite its flaws and my dislike of the direction the game took.

At least we have FFG putting out quality 40k products.

I'd laugh.
Hard.

Start playing again

 usernamesareannoying wrote:
Start playing again

Why?

Rage for a bit and then enjoy a game not weighed down by a ton of rules.

See if I can get people to go back to 5th/4th.

I had lots of fun with those.

 oni wrote:
Rage for a bit and then enjoy a game not weighed down by a ton of rules.

by bad rules. Good rules can and should enhance a game.

And no rules will destroy a game. Might as well be roleplaying on Gaia Online or something.

Probably just keep playing Hearthstone :3

 MWHistorian wrote:

 oni wrote:
Rage for a bit and then enjoy a game not weighed down by a ton of rules.

by bad rules. Good rules can and should enhance a game.

I don't view 7th Ed. as "bad" rules, just overburdening. Games don't move smoothly, there's constant stoppage to check The Rules and/or to check a Codex... And not because they're bad, but because there are SOoo many rules no one can remember them all.

I just want to play, throw some dice, have some fun... My fun becomes severely diminished as the downtime adds up checking rules, special abilities, stats, etc.

I'd be lieing if I were to say that I didn't give serious thought to putting my W40K involvement on hiatus to play WAoS. I may still. I'm waiting to see how things evolve. I've played two games of WAoS, both of which were immensely fun. No stoppage, no constant checking of rules, only a periodic, cursory glance at a warscroll.

It would be an improvement over 7th, so I'd probably play more.

Happily play more game with the models I want against others who feel the same way.

 Chumbalaya wrote:
It would be an improvement over 7th, so I'd probably play more.

Let's not get crazy. 7th is bloated, sure, but at least it has rules. Going to the other extreme--no rules of which to speak save for a phoned-in PDF--is even more unplayable by severalfold, especially when half of it is devoted to fourth wall-breaking, childish gak. You may as well dump your models on the table and challenge your opponent to a game of "Rock, Paper, Scissors" to determine the victor. The only possible good that could come off this is that such a change would send GW around the porcelain bowl that much faster, and let someone competent buy the franchise.

Send letter bombs to GW HQ and set up a hit job on Kirby like any rational person.

Keep collecting/painting at a reduced rate. Likely stop playing.

Or make up my own rules.

7th is the most fun edition since 2nd. I don't understand all the hate about it. I think though if GW did this, it would put GW out of business. Hopefully they will have learned their lesson from the actual AoS about how bad an idea this was.

Col. Dash wrote:
7th is the most fun edition since 2nd. I don't understand all the hate about it. I think though if GW did this, it would put GW out of business. Hopefully they will have learned their lesson from the actual AoS about how bad an idea this was.

Let me list a few. Unplayable mealstorm without house ruling it. Stacking random on top of random for "fun". Streamlining stuff for some factions , only to switch to decurion style books later on. Crazy formations skyhammer .Removing all specials HQs, units and nerfing transporsts in IG and forcing them to be even more gunlin, while knowing that that 7th ed is going to b all about movment. Although the last one is a more personal one, so not everyone has to feel that way.

why would you quit when you could just play 7th or 5th or 6th or 4th or 3rd or 2nd 4ever?

Having just remembered 1p40k, I may switch to that.

 hanshotfirst wrote:
why would you quit when you could just play 7th or 5th or 6th or 4th or 3rd or 2nd 4ever?

But not First Edition/Rogue Trader?

(jk)

 hanshotfirst wrote:
why would you quit when you could just play 7th or 5th or 6th or 4th or 3rd or 2nd 4ever?

Because you can't play at a store with rules it doesn't support? Although if w40k realy got the full AoS treatment then who knows. A lot of stores have problmes with selling AoS stuff and let people play WFB. So maybe they would let people 7th ed too.

I'm a newbie here who really hasn't gotten deeply into either ruleset. That said, I would much prefer a shorter set of rules and quicker games. I'd also love for The Rules and Codecies to be free allowing me to put more toward miniatures, base modeling, and paints.

So, if GW wants to give 40K the AoS treatment, I say go for it!

SG

I do think it's funny that those that defend GW from criticism often said that they wouldn't try Warmachine (and many other games) because the armies were smaller and didn't have that epic feel to it that a large board covered in models did or the customization of equipment and spells.

Then they try AOS and suddenly are like "Whoa, faster rules and smaller armies is the way to go!"

ServiceGames wrote:
I'm a newbie here who really hasn't gotten deeply into either ruleset. That said, I would much prefer a shorter set of rules and quicker games. I'd also love for The Rules and Codecies to be free allowing me to put more toward miniatures, base modeling, and paints.

So, if GW wants to give 40K the AoS treatment, I say go for it!

It's possible to create a skirmish-level wargame with a short, comprehensive rulebook. AoS isn't one of these, however. The rules are unbalanced garbage whose writers could be outdone by a crack team of lobotomized five year olds. If 7th edition rules are too much for you, 1 page 40k is a decent substitute. Also, don't make the mistake of assuming all comprehensive rules are the result of unnecessary bloat. 40k could be argued to have reached this point to a degree, but it's not the I'm only possibility.

There are stores(non-GW) that don't let you play games they don't support? Wow, you guys never get in games of Battletech, BF Gothic, or any of the other great smaller game systems out there do you? My old main store still has the rest of the year on its Warhammer Fantasy campaign to go and they do not intend on stopping.

Glad all the stores locally I know are happy to have players playing whatever. They will at least sell snacks and drinks.

First thing is breath a sigh of relief that there will be no more "what if" posts or "the sky is falling" posts. As the sky has fallen.

Then I will read the rules, like I did with AoS, and decide weather or not to continue playing.

If 40k goes the exact same way as AoS, with the very small rules, it will be a hard call. I absolutely love the lore and hobby, but I also really like the gameplay (though I wouldn't mind the rules to be simplified a bit more) So I would probably sell off the armies I like the playstyle of, as it will be changed, but keep the armies I like the lore and look of, as if it goes full on beer and pretzels, why not go full fluff with the armies?

I am sure there will be some big differences when compared with AoS.
Most of the 'Bugs' should be worked out, I figure the On Line Free Rules will be 4-10 pages.

I would really like a healthy dose of simplification to 40k. I also recently decided to sell all my hardcopy books on Ebay because it is clear to me they would all be obsolete soon due to the rapid book-mill GW is putting out.

So, I like many aspects of AoS.