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To this day, I have yet to receive a satisfactory explanation of why half the Jedi Knights couldn't detect the force in Palpatine, despite standing inches away from him at Liam Neeson's funeral!

WTF?

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
To this day, I have yet to receive a satisfactory explanation of why half the Jedi Knights couldn't detect the force in Palpatine, despite standing inches away from him at Liam Neeson's funeral!

WTF?

In the novel Tarkin, a really silly explanation was produced that the Jedi Temple on Coruscant was built atop an ancient Sith Shrine (which got there somehow) and the Shrine slowly corrupted and blinded the order over thousands of years preventing them from seeing the future clearly or sensing Palpatine's malevolence.

Probably the same reason daddy was able to torture his daughter without ever feeling a touch of force from her.

 LordofHats wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
To this day, I have yet to receive a satisfactory explanation of why half the Jedi Knights couldn't detect the force in Palpatine, despite standing inches away from him at Liam Neeson's funeral!

WTF?

In the novel Tarkin, a really silly explanation was produced that the Jedi Temple on Coruscant was built atop an ancient Sith Shrine (which got there somehow) and the Shrine slowly corrupted and blinded the order over thousands of years preventing them from seeing the future clearly or sensing Palpatine's malevolence.

You just made that up, didn't you?


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 d-usa wrote:
Probably the same reason daddy was able to torture his daughter without ever feeling a touch of force from her.

Shhhhhh! Don't mention the flawed plot holes

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:


You just made that up, didn't you?

Please. I'm not that much of a hack. Even worse, it's part of the current Canon *sheds a tear*

Raintroopers!

 gorgon wrote:

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 Swastakowey wrote:

Raintroopers!

I think you mean REHN-TROOPERS!

Most of Star Wars has been set in extreme climates like Tatooine (desert) or Hoth (arctic). It's refreshing to see the action take place a normal kind of climate like Britain.

 Kilkrazy wrote:
Most of Star Wars has been set in extreme climates like Tatooine (desert) or Hoth (arctic). It's refreshing to see the action take place a normal kind of climate like Britain.

Maybe they are just there to recruit more bridge officers.

 d-usa wrote:

 Kilkrazy wrote:
Most of Star Wars has been set in extreme climates like Tatooine (desert) or Hoth (arctic). It's refreshing to see the action take place a normal kind of climate like Britain.

Maybe they are just there to recruit more bridge officers.

indeed. As well know the Empire recruited its entire naval contingent from Oxford boarding school.

Is it bad that I suddenly have this image of Elizabeth Hurley in an Imperial Governor's uniform commanding the bridge of Death Star III ?
mmmm....

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
To this day, I have yet to receive a satisfactory explanation of why half the Jedi Knights couldn't detect the force in Palpatine, despite standing inches away from him at Liam Neeson's funeral!

WTF?

Well, as we know, Jedi are basically the "paladins" of the SW universe.... so clearly, either the DM was meta-gaming, or the PCs were rolling spectacularly bad on all of their Detect Evil spells

Maybe because the jedi are just kind of...frauds...

 Frazzled wrote:
Maybe because the jedi are just kind of...frauds...

Oh so like paladins/knights errant in every single fantasy game?

 Frazzled wrote:
Maybe because the jedi are just kind of...frauds...

Nah.


That's just a rumor started by the sith

 DoomShakaLaka wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
Maybe because the jedi are just kind of...frauds...

Nah.


That's just a rumor started by the sith

Well... there are no Sith, but all them children in the Jedi temple were cut down by a lightsaber.


Not even Perry Mason could defend against that.

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

 DoomShakaLaka wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
Maybe because the jedi are just kind of...frauds...

Nah.


That's just a rumor started by the sith

Well... there are no Sith, but all them children in the Jedi temple were cut down by a lightsaber.


Not even Perry Mason could defend against that.

It was an Inside Job.

 Asherian Command wrote:

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

 DoomShakaLaka wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
Maybe because the jedi are just kind of...frauds...

Nah.


That's just a rumor started by the sith

Well... there are no Sith, but all them children in the Jedi temple were cut down by a lightsaber.


Not even Perry Mason could defend against that.

It was an Inside Job.

Lightsabers can't melt steel beams!

 LordofHats wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
To this day, I have yet to receive a satisfactory explanation of why half the Jedi Knights couldn't detect the force in Palpatine, despite standing inches away from him at Liam Neeson's funeral!

WTF?

In the novel Tarkin, a really silly explanation was produced that the Jedi Temple on Coruscant was built atop an ancient Sith Shrine (which got there somehow) and the Shrine slowly corrupted and blinded the order over thousands of years preventing them from seeing the future clearly or sensing Palpatine's malevolence.

I'm just going to pretend that Palpatine trained to trick the Jedi.

 Crazy_Carnifex wrote:

 LordofHats wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
To this day, I have yet to receive a satisfactory explanation of why half the Jedi Knights couldn't detect the force in Palpatine, despite standing inches away from him at Liam Neeson's funeral!

WTF?

In the novel Tarkin, a really silly explanation was produced that the Jedi Temple on Coruscant was built atop an ancient Sith Shrine (which got there somehow) and the Shrine slowly corrupted and blinded the order over thousands of years preventing them from seeing the future clearly or sensing Palpatine's malevolence.

I'm just going to pretend that Palpatine trained to trick the Jedi.

There's a DBZ reference in here somewhere I just know it...

 d-usa wrote:

 insaniak wrote:
Would also seem somewhat harder to deflect with a lightsaber...

Could you force push flames out of the way?

You can, however it has been demonstrated that physical objects are a little tougher to deflect than energy bolts. Jedi have had issues deflecting solid projectiles in the past, granted its all defunct currently with the EU being scrapped.

In the original Clone Wars animated movie Obi-wan does deflect a Bounty Hunter's Flamethrower. But it wasn't an easy thing.

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
To this day, I have yet to receive a satisfactory explanation of why half the Jedi Knights couldn't detect the force in Palpatine, despite standing inches away from him at Liam Neeson's funeral!

WTF?

"I sense great evil in this place"

"Thats because everyone here is a politician"

You gotta give Grey Templar points for that one...

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
To this day, I have yet to receive a satisfactory explanation of why half the Jedi Knights couldn't detect the force in Palpatine, despite standing inches away from him at Liam Neeson's funeral!

WTF?

I always got the impression it was because he was so powerful that he could shield himself as the source of the dark side. Palpatine could only shield himself enough so that the council could feel the presence of something dark, but not from who.

I know wookiepedia calls it Force Stealth, which seems was added in the EU.

Different Jedi have different powers. I just figured Palpatine was excellent at "Jedi Stealth" and was careful to only use passive powers whenever possible.

I thought it was because the writing and direction was so bad, jedi powers were useless before it.

 kronk wrote:
Different Jedi have different powers. I just figured Palpatine was excellent at "Jedi Stealth" and was careful to only use passive powers whenever possible.

Looking at the movies it seemed jedi were all the same, all had the same training and so on. The only difference was skill or advancement.

I only watch the movies but it makes sense that they are all the same. Kind of like one giant dojo where everyone is educated the same way and trained the same way and ultimately they all end up being pretty similar.

It appears that sith are the only ones who are entirely made up of deviant special snow flakes all with different light sabers and so on.


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 Frazzled wrote:
I thought it was because the writing and direction was so bad, jedi powers were useless before it.

That is what I think.

 Frazzled wrote:
I thought it was because the writing and direction was so bad, jedi powers were useless before it.

So Palpatine had plot stealth? Kinda like plot armor but it makes you undetectable by people who should totally detect you.

 ProtoClone wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
To this day, I have yet to receive a satisfactory explanation of why half the Jedi Knights couldn't detect the force in Palpatine, despite standing inches away from him at Liam Neeson's funeral!

WTF?

I always got the impression it was because he was so powerful that he could shield himself as the source of the dark side. Palpatine could only shield himself enough so that the council could feel the presence of something dark, but not from who.

I know wookiepedia calls it Force Stealth, which seems was added in the EU.

A little bit of that. The EU also touched on the idea that over time, the Force become more and more 'clouded' by the Dark Side, and towards the end of the Clone Wars they were having trouble seeing much of anything clearly.

So he could cloak his presence when he was around the Jedi, and they didn't get any other warnings of it through the Force beyond a general 'something is wrong' vibe that they couldn't pin down to anything clearly... and there was a lot of crap happening at the time.


That was the EU though. I doubt that Lucas bothered to think up an explanation for it.

Well, Yoda hung out near a strong Dark Side source to mask his presence, IIRC. That implies there's a cancellation kind of effect at work, rather than making one or the other stand out.

So with Palpatine being so positioned so close to what had to be the largest concentration of Light Side users in the galaxy, perhaps his Dark Side power was concealed. It may be an ironic thing where the safest place for a Sith was right under the nose of the Jedi.

And when I watched the prequels I just figured that power masking was exactly the kind of ability the Sith would develop and use.

Doesn't Yoda mention something about the future being "veiled" or similar in one of the prequels? There you go.

Anyone wonder about the massive manmade-looking trench in the arctic scene with the starfighters?