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 Boggy Man wrote:

 Chumbalaya wrote:
I tried KoW for the first time yesterday. I'll never dream about playing Age of Excrement again

I know right? I feel like I'm being lectured by someone who thinks they're my mom.

I'll have the chicken
"Wow, your not even giving the liver a chance!"
I like chicken
"You can eat both, but you should eat way more liver"
Maybe another time. Would you like some of my chicken, you seem hungry?
OGM STUP TRYING TO CONVERT ME!

I don't hate AOS. I'm bored senseless by AOS. Can I play KOW with the grownups without hearing how I'm destroying the hobby with my negativity?

There are KOW forum out there, your negativity is damge to forum not hobby, you don't need to post.


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 MWHistorian wrote:
Says he wants a place to discuss, good or bad, yet labels all criticism as Haterz and whiners.
Maybe the reason you hear so much negativity about the game is because people have a lot of things they find wrong with it? Where there's smoke, there's fire.
Opinions on the game will differ. Some may not like the game for the very reasons that you do. That's ok. We're here to discuss that. Wanting to get rid off all opinions that are different than yours isn't helpful to anyone.
I like a lot of things that other people can't stand. I understand why they don't like it, (instead of dismissing those opinions and insulting the person) but it doesn't lessen my enjoyment of those things.
In other words, your going to have to develop a thicker skin. Especially if you're defending AOS.

Criticism won't make you hater/whiner, with baseless assumption, twist other word into own flavor and repeat for 3 month make you. I stated those line clearly, just read before you post, don't twist my word into your flavor.

Yet you call people who criticize Age of Sigmar as "Whiners" and that they should leave this forum.

My question to you, MeowStalker, is what makes an opinion "criticism" and what makes an opinion "toxic whining"?

My opinion on Age of Sigmar is that it is incredibly shallow, lazily written and a blatant cash grab. It has the minimum amount of effort needed to produce a commercially viable wargame in 2015 and it is inexcusable that a company as large as Games Workshop would put out something so half assed and bare bones.

Is this criticism or toxic whining to you and why? What if I told you that I actually still like Age of Sigmar in spite of itself because of the great miniatures and that I am currently painting up some Warriors of Chaos for the game? That you can still derive enjoyment out of the game if you try? Should I, someone who owns an Age of Sigmar army and plans to drum up interest for the game at my FLGS, bad for the community and get off the forums?

 TheCustomLime wrote:
Yet you call people who criticize Age of Sigmar as "Whiners" and that they should leave this forum.

My question to you, MeowStalker, is what makes an opinion "criticism" and what makes an opinion "toxic whining"?

My opinion on Age of Sigmar is that it is incredibly shallow, lazily written and a blatant cash grab. It has the minimum amount of effort needed to produce a commercially viable wargame in 2015 and it is inexcusable that a company as large as Games Workshop would put out something so half assed and bare bones.

Is this criticism or toxic whining to you and why? What if I told you that I actually still like Age of Sigmar in spite of itself because of the great miniatures and that I am currently painting up some Warriors of Chaos for the game? That you can still derive enjoyment out of the game if you try? Should I, someone who owns an Age of Sigmar army and plans to drum up interest for the game at my FLGS, bad for the community and get off the forums?

Have you ever read my thread? I stated that a few times already. So please, read before you post.

Fine, I copy and paste for you.

Criticism won't make you hater/whiner, with baseless assumption, twist other word into own flavor and repeat for 3 month make you.

And yes, your comments aren't baseless assumption.

 Mymearan wrote:

 Boggy Man wrote:

 Chumbalaya wrote:
I tried KoW for the first time yesterday. I'll never dream about playing Age of Excrement again

I know right? I feel like I'm being lectured by someone who thinks they're my mom.

I'll have the chicken
"Wow, your not even giving the liver a chance!"
I like chicken
"You can eat both, but you should eat way more liver"
Maybe another time. Would you like some of my chicken, you seem hungry?
OGM STUP TRYING TO CONVERT ME!

I don't hate AOS. I'm bored senseless by AOS. Can I play KOW with the grownups without hearing how I'm destroying the hobby with my negativity?

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 Swastakowey wrote:
Lets say a movie was about 19 old women who talk about eating soup while pooping. Would one have to watch the movie to think the whole idea was dumb and silly enough to not waste time watching?

You haven't even read my screenplay yet! Give it a chance!

Playing KoW doesn't make anyone a negative person. Constantly repeating how much they hate another game they don't have any interest in playing does. I have yet to see AoS fans go to the KoW forum to crap on that game from their high horses. Probably because they have no interest in it and so naturally don't feel the need to constantly think about it and engage with it. But moderation policy here being what it is (trolling is fine as long as you don't insult anyone directly), please keep up the "Age of Excrement" trolling and gakposting that brings nothing to the forum, it's fully within your rights and I'm sure it makes you guys happier to think about AoS every day.

Reminds me of the meme where CoD was meant for grown ups, but played by kids, while minecraft was meant for kids but played by adults. AoS was bashed for being aimed for '12 year olds', and yet, these '12 year olds' seems more mature than those who likes to bash the game.

Anyway, I am sure it depends on the players you play with. If you are playing with a more competitive players, KoW will be for you. If you want to have fun and have some cheers and crazy things happening, AoS is for you. You can have that fun in KoW too, and you can have competitiveness in AoS too, so it really all depends on your local meta in the area, and like what minijack says, play both.

bleak wrote:


Reminds me of the meme where CoD was meant for grown ups, but played by kids, while minecraft was meant for kids but played by adults. AoS was bashed for being aimed for '12 year olds', and yet, these '12 year olds' seems more mature than those who likes to bash the game.

There is a lot of condescension and passive aggressiveness coming from the Pro-AoS crowd too, to be fair.

Way off topic. (Well we've already crossed that line, haven't we?)

I've been noticing Warthrone recently and they look like they're going to be the new big kid on the block.(really loving their Empire-like models)

How do you guys think they're going to affect the fantasy wargame scene?

Baron Klatz wrote:
Way off topic. (Well we've already crossed that line, haven't we?)

I've been noticing Warthrone recently and they look like they're going to be the new big kid on the block.(really loving their Empire-like models)

How do you guys think they're going to affect the fantasy wargame scene?

Their miniatures are really nice and they aren't bad cost wise. It'll depend on how they do their marketing for their game.

their is a thread fun sun shine a blowing smoke up poeple backaide already and it stayed happy why because that what they threads topic is. This one and others are about opinions not why people like AoS. Funny how the sun shine thread is only 5 pages and limit group of posters, don't you think.

Meowstalker wrote:

There are KOW forum out there, your negativity is damge to forum not hobby, you don't need to post.

Once again, read the title of the thread. This is not just a valid place to talk about KoW, but that is the expressed purpose of the thread.

And, again, I'd propose that the person telling people not to post is the one damaging the forum, as more people and more opinions make for a much more successful forum than an echo chamber that bans disagreeing voices.

Noir wrote:
their is a thread fun sun shine a blowing smoke up poeple backaide already and it stayed happy why because that what they threads topic is. This one and others are about opinions not why people like AoS. Funny how the sun shine thread is only 5 pages and limit group of posters, don't you think.

This is the damage done by whinefest, new dude refuse to come, old gamer leave, AoS gamer have to stay in Hidden Vale to discuss their game. Without new blood, the forum/community is dying.

Meowstalker wrote:

Noir wrote:
their is a thread fun sun shine a blowing smoke up poeple backaide already and it stayed happy why because that what they threads topic is. This one and others are about opinions not why people like AoS. Funny how the sun shine thread is only 5 pages and limit group of posters, don't you think.

This is the damage done by whinefest, new dude refuse to come, old gamer leave, AoS gamer have to stay in Hidden Vale to discuss their game. Without new blood, the forum/community is dying.

If AoS was genuinely a great game then everyone who was criticizing it wouldn't even have an impact on the amount of posters. People would just be posting about how much they love the game. But if it is has gotten to the point where we must coddle positive discussion then how strong was AoS's position in the first place?

 jonolikespie wrote:

Once again, read the title of the thread. This is not just a valid place to talk about KoW, but that is the expressed purpose of the thread.

And, again, I'd propose that the person telling people not to post is the one damaging the forum, as more people and more opinions make for a much more successful forum than an echo chamber that bans disagreeing voices.

Stop quoting only one line and twist into your flavor, I stated a few time that, whinefest come form whiner repeat their point for 3 month and every thread(almost), and their opinion are nothing but baseless assumption and twist other word into their flavor, like you just quote 1 line and twist it.

Actually, /tg/ become a better place than dakka, because you guys stay behind the balaballa rule safe and keep whining.

Ok, please, tell me how I twisted your words. I removed the parts I thought irrelevant to keep the post from being cluttered, did I remove something that was relevant?

Did you not imply that KoW discussions belong in a KoW forum and not here?

What is your definition of 'twisting your words' in this case?

 TheCustomLime wrote:

Meowstalker wrote:

This is the damage done by whinefest, new dude refuse to come, old gamer leave, AoS gamer have to stay in Hidden Vale to discuss their game. Without new blood, the forum/community is dying.

If AoS was genuinely a great game then everyone who was criticizing it wouldn't even have an impact on the amount of posters. People would just be posting about how much they love the game. But if it is has gotten to the point where we must coddle positive discussion then how strong was AoS's position in the first place?

If AoS is a bad game, the game/forum/community will die eventually. However, the fact is, some think great, some say bad. The worst part is, some guys repeat their opinion again, again and again for 3 month, express btheir baseless assumption and twist other line into their flavor, that is nothing but whinefest.

You have negative opinion, ok; you repeating for 3 month long? Aww... ok, negative opinion with baseless assumption? What! Twist other word into your opinion? WTH! Flooding every thread(almost) with all of above, WTF.

AoS good or bad are nothing but person flavor, but flooding the forum with that guys opinion is nothing but damage.


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 jonolikespie wrote:
Ok, please, tell me how I twisted your words. I removed the parts I thought irrelevant to keep the post from being cluttered, did I remove something that was relevant?

Did you not imply that KoW discussions belong in a KoW forum and not here?

What is your definition of 'twisting your words' in this case?

Simply that, the line you removed is the relevant part.

Don't put your word in my mouth, I talk nothing about KoW(which I think is good game).

Meowstalker wrote:

Noir wrote:
their is a thread fun sun shine a blowing smoke up poeple backaide already and it stayed happy why because that what they threads topic is. This one and others are about opinions not why people like AoS. Funny how the sun shine thread is only 5 pages and limit group of posters, don't you think.

This is the damage done by whinefest, new dude refuse to come, old gamer leave, AoS gamer have to stay in Hidden Vale to discuss their game. Without new blood, the forum/community is dying.

Really what a the haters saying in the sun shine thread that is running posters out of it, again.

Meowstalker wrote:

You have positive opinion, ok; you repeating for 3 month long? Aww... ok, positive opinion with baseless assumption? What! Twist other word into your opinion? WTH! Flooding every thread(almost) with all of above, WTF.

AoS good or bad are nothing but person flavor, but flooding the forum with that guys opinion is nothing but damage.

Sound ridiculous. Doesn't it?
It sounds equally ridiculous how you say it.

 MWHistorian wrote:

Meowstalker wrote:

You have positive opinion, ok; you repeating for 3 month long? Aww... ok, positive opinion with baseless assumption? What! Twist other word into your opinion? WTH! Flooding every thread(almost) with all of above, WTF.

AoS good or bad are nothing but person flavor, but flooding the forum with that guys opinion is nothing but damage.

Sound ridiculous. Doesn't it?
It sounds equally ridiculous how you say it.

Without whiner like you, AoS gamer can move on to discuss other topic and no need to stay in Hidden Vale. Actually in that thread they discuss everything but repeating the same opinion.


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Noir wrote:


This is the damage done by whinefest, new dude refuse to come, old gamer leave, AoS gamer have to stay in Hidden Vale to discuss their game. Without new blood, the forum/community is dying.

Really what a the haters saying in the sun shine thread that is running posters out of it, again.

Meowstalker wrote:

 MWHistorian wrote:

Meowstalker wrote:

You have positive opinion, ok; you repeating for 3 month long? Aww... ok, positive opinion with baseless assumption? What! Twist other word into your opinion? WTH! Flooding every thread(almost) with all of above, WTF.

AoS good or bad are nothing but person flavor, but flooding the forum with that guys opinion is nothing but damage.

Sound ridiculous. Doesn't it?
It sounds equally ridiculous how you say it.

Without whiner like you, AoS gamer can move on to discuss other topic and no need to stay in Hidden Vale. Actually in that thread they discuss everything but repeating the same opinion.

Like gripping story lines such as how Sigmar learned that weapons truly are for war? And that this one time a Sigmarine was killed and like couldn't even rez? Or that Sigmarines somehow manage to become even more emotionally dead?

Meowstalker, please calm down and stop insulting people. Don't take critics to a game you like personal. There's no reason to be rude about it.

I understand emotions can get a little heated. It happens to everyone. But please try to see it from other people's perspectives.

Meowstalker wrote:

Without whiner like you, AoS gamer can move on to discuss other topic and no need to stay in Hidden Vale. Actually in that thread they discuss everything but repeating the same opinion.


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You can't read, right? I said that the whinefest driving out new dude, everything will die without new blood. All you said just proof that the whiner like you are destroying the community asnyou intended.

You won't make the negativity go away by insulting people. If you want to see more positive discussion about AoS, then engage in more positive discussion about AoS.

You're wasting your time and everyone else's by railing against people for having a different opinion to your own.


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Last chance to get it back on track.

Stick to the topic. Further complaints about people complaining, or people complaining about people complaining about people complaining will result in the post being deleted and a holiday for the poster.

AoS is good, KoW is good, both good for other reasons, both have flaws, have fun, enjoy life, drink rum... Good day.

I am quite happy that I'm able to try both out. Free rules, either full or limited, are a good way to bring people into the hobby.

Walks into thread, sees a bunch of brand new posters bashing KoW, assumes 12 year old trolls "doing it for the lulz". If those said trolls knew what they were talking about, they'd know that Mantic is mostly made up of ex GW employees from the "golden age" of GW's history. When they left, they wanted to hold onto that attitude and keep it alive. The guys who wrote the rules for earlier WHFB and 40K are part of the Mantic staff. So are you going to get similarities? Of course. When Mantic found out the Warhammer world was getting nuked, they built unofficial-official lists for the armies they had no interest in making: WoC, Skaven, TK, etc so that those players wouldn't feel like they didn't have a game system. Every race in KoW exists in other fantasy settings too. And again, many of the guys who built GW up are now building up Mantic. Don't you suppose they may have helped make one of those races in WHFB what it was, and wanted to keep that race after they left?
If you have actually played KoW and actively dislike it (whether it's because tactics matter more than list building, no super units, magic isn't ridiculous, etc), then that's fine. Clearly it isn't for you. But if you're going to piss on a game for creating new factions it had no intention of making to make sure all players had a current, live ruleset, then go someplace else.

This is directed at a couple new posters with double-digit post counts who are clearly trolls. I expect you'll learn nothing, and will continue the same way. But the big tournaments are picking up Mantic. And it's gaining steam around the world. If you don't want to be a part of it though, don't worry. I don't think you'll be missed.

 timetowaste85 wrote:
Walks into thread, sees a bunch of brand new posters bashing KoW, assumes 12 year old trolls "doing it for the lulz". If those said trolls knew what they were talking about, they'd know that Mantic is mostly made up of ex GW employees from the "golden age" of GW's history. When they left, they wanted to hold onto that attitude and keep it alive. The guys who wrote the rules for earlier WHFB and 40K are part of the Mantic staff. So are you going to get similarities? Of course. When Mantic found out the Warhammer world was getting nuked, they built unofficial-official lists for the armies they had no interest in making: WoC, Skaven, TK, etc so that those players wouldn't feel like they didn't have a game system. Every race in KoW exists in other fantasy settings too. And again, many of the guys who built GW up are now building up Mantic. Don't you suppose they may have helped make one of those races in WHFB what it was, and wanted to keep that race after they left?
If you have actually played KoW and actively dislike it (whether it's because tactics matter more than list building, no super units, magic isn't ridiculous, etc), then that's fine. Clearly it isn't for you. But if you're going to piss on a game for creating new factions it had no intention of making to make sure all players had a current, live ruleset, then go someplace else.

This is directed at a couple new posters with double-digit post counts who are clearly trolls. I expect you'll learn nothing, and will continue the same way. But the big tournaments are picking up Mantic. And it's gaining steam around the world. If you don't want to be a part of it though, don't worry. I don't think you'll be missed.

There is nothing about this post I do not like.

 timetowaste85 wrote:
Walks into thread, sees a bunch of brand new posters bashing KoW, assumes 12 year old trolls "doing it for the lulz". If those said trolls knew what they were talking about, they'd know that Mantic is mostly made up of ex GW employees from the "golden age" of GW's history. When they left, they wanted to hold onto that attitude and keep it alive. The guys who wrote the rules for earlier WHFB and 40K are part of the Mantic staff. So are you going to get similarities? Of course. When Mantic found out the Warhammer world was getting nuked, they built unofficial-official lists for the armies they had no interest in making: WoC, Skaven, TK, etc so that those players wouldn't feel like they didn't have a game system. Every race in KoW exists in other fantasy settings too. And again, many of the guys who built GW up are now building up Mantic. Don't you suppose they may have helped make one of those races in WHFB what it was, and wanted to keep that race after they left?
If you have actually played KoW and actively dislike it (whether it's because tactics matter more than list building, no super units, magic isn't ridiculous, etc), then that's fine. Clearly it isn't for you. But if you're going to piss on a game for creating new factions it had no intention of making to make sure all players had a current, live ruleset, then go someplace else.

This is directed at a couple new posters with double-digit post counts who are clearly trolls. I expect you'll learn nothing, and will continue the same way. But the big tournaments are picking up Mantic. And it's gaining steam around the world. If you don't want to be a part of it though, don't worry. I don't think you'll be missed.

Exalted, good Sir.

 timetowaste85 wrote:
(whether it's because tactics matter more than list building, no super units, magic isn't ridiculous, etc),

Yeah, that won't annoy anyone.

 timetowaste85 wrote:
Walks into thread, sees a bunch of brand new posters bashing KoW, assumes 12 year old trolls "doing it for the lulz". If those said trolls knew what they were talking about, they'd know that Mantic is mostly made up of ex GW employees from the "golden age" of GW's history. When they left, they wanted to hold onto that attitude and keep it alive. The guys who wrote the rules for earlier WHFB and 40K are part of the Mantic staff. So are you going to get similarities? Of course. When Mantic found out the Warhammer world was getting nuked, they built unofficial-official lists for the armies they had no interest in making: WoC, Skaven, TK, etc so that those players wouldn't feel like they didn't have a game system. Every race in KoW exists in other fantasy settings too. And again, many of the guys who built GW up are now building up Mantic. Don't you suppose they may have helped make one of those races in WHFB what it was, and wanted to keep that race after they left?
If you have actually played KoW and actively dislike it (whether it's because tactics matter more than list building, no super units, magic isn't ridiculous, etc), then that's fine. Clearly it isn't for you. But if you're going to piss on a game for creating new factions it had no intention of making to make sure all players had a current, live ruleset, then go someplace else.

This is directed at a couple new posters with double-digit post counts who are clearly trolls. I expect you'll learn nothing, and will continue the same way. But the big tournaments are picking up Mantic. And it's gaining steam around the world. If you don't want to be a part of it though, don't worry. I don't think you'll be missed.

Troll for what? Tell the truth about current state of dakka forum? I expect you learn something, stay behind the rule don't make you contributing.

BTW, I never bashing anything about KoW, I even stated that, KoW is a good game, don't put your word into other mouth. Yes, KoW are more less like 6th ed with Ravening Horde, simply and straight.

I think we're done here...