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So... how much do people think GW spent on this kit, which is a 0-1 choice for a single army in their less popular game?

 AlexHolker wrote:
So... how much do people think GW spent on this kit, which is a 0-1 choice for a single army in their less popular game?

Not a lot seeing as it appears to be made in CAD from existing kits (the main body looks like the Mutalith thing for example).

 Grimtuff wrote:
Not a lot seeing as it appears to be made in CAD from existing kits (the main body looks like the Mutalith thing for example).

How about we keep the criticism at least somewhat connected to reality, eh?

 His Master's Voice wrote:

 Grimtuff wrote:
Not a lot seeing as it appears to be made in CAD from existing kits (the main body looks like the Mutalith thing for example).

How about we keep the criticism at least somewhat connected to reality, eh?

In fairness I just looked at it and instantly thought the feet (cloven hooves) and leg pose looked exactly like the recent BloodThirster kit so wouldn't say he's way off the mark; think a lot of the larger GW kits are starting to look generically CAD made

I think the Archaon model itself is nice but the monster doesn't do a lot for me; all I can think of is the amazing iconic sculpt of Archaon on Dorghar and this doesn't come near in my opinion. The heads being representative of the Chaos Gods is a very nice touch though.

I'd say this means that the current Archaon sculpt will be going OOP very soon so must grab one soon!

No idea what 'generically CAD made' is, so can't comment on that, but the legs are not the same.

There's a certain stylistic theme to GW products, like it or not. Yes, the cloven hooves look similar. Most likely because they follow the same theme.

Could they have been reused from a previous model? As someone who did 3d modelling, I think it would be a waste of time. It's faster and cleaner to just make a new mesh.

In the end, whether components were or were not reused seems like a pointless argument when deciding if one likes the product. Had the master been done with Sculpey, and I assure you, it can be easily done, would it make the final model better?

 Mymearan wrote:
I can only see one skull, on the wings, should be easy to file down and smooth over,... Although I really hate it as well.

You're not looking hard enough then, they're there. Probably will be tons more once you spend a lot of money on the model and are able to examine it.

Gotta agree that this looks nothing like current models, beside a few borrowed aesthetics (hooves, face style, etc.). Really don't see the Mutalith in this at all beside the fact they are both large monsters with muscular bodies.

Thankfully the embedded skulls look easy to smooth over, but seriously, customers should not have that added step in model assembly. "Step Three: How to fix design flaws with your Citadel (tm) miniature..." The thing would literally look better if they left the skin plain in those areas and did not add the skulls.

I'm not sure I'm keen on them either, but a design choice you personally don't like isn't the same thing as a design flaw.

I actually like the skulls bubbling through the skin.

The reason I don't like it is because it looks gross. I just get queasy looking at them.

 Mymearan wrote:
The reason I don't like it is because it looks gross. I just get queasy looking at them.

Yeah, don't google trypophobia (seriously don't google it lightly). We're like programmed to find irregular holes in organic matter like that horrible, probably to do with avoiding diseases and things like that.

 Bottle wrote:
I actually like the skulls bubbling through the skin.

Yeah I like that aesthetic a lot. Adds to the freakish nature of Chaos.

I'd prefer faces, or Nurglings, or really anything more interesting than random bones from the head of humans to be poking out/forming on the surface. Little skull pimples just don't do anything for me.

The skull acne on the starter set monster kinda made sense to me, because I thought the thing was animated gore, the odd bone sticking out pretty appropriate.

It doesn't make much sense here. But hey, I salvaged bigger mess ups on worse models.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:
The reason I don't like it is because it looks gross. I just get queasy looking at them.

Yeah, don't google trypophobia (seriously don't google it lightly). We're like programmed to find irregular holes in organic matter like that horrible, probably to do with avoiding diseases and things like that.

Well of course I did and it was errrr.....unpleasant.

Nasty man.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:
The reason I don't like it is because it looks gross. I just get queasy looking at them.

Yeah, don't google trypophobia (seriously don't google it lightly). We're like programmed to find irregular holes in organic matter like that horrible, probably to do with avoiding diseases and things like that.

OH GOD WHY DIDN'T I LISTEN.

The heads being representative of the Chaos Gods is a very nice touch though.

I count...3? Where's Slaanesh? :(((

notprop wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:
The reason I don't like it is because it looks gross. I just get queasy looking at them.

Yeah, don't google trypophobia (seriously don't google it lightly). We're like programmed to find irregular holes in organic matter like that horrible, probably to do with avoiding diseases and things like that.

Well of course I did and it was errrr.....unpleasant.

Nasty man.

Samurai_Eduh wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:
The reason I don't like it is because it looks gross. I just get queasy looking at them.

Yeah, don't google trypophobia (seriously don't google it lightly). We're like programmed to find irregular holes in organic matter like that horrible, probably to do with avoiding diseases and things like that.

OH GOD WHY DIDN'T I LISTEN.

I did warn you! But that's why the skulls under the skin makes some people feel a bit queasy I think.

I shall look forward to the 3d view and final pricing.

Hard for me to really get a true feel til I can really ogle it from all angles.

Regardless I can imagine this will be a fun kit to build.

I do agree with the above poster's point though. That's one hell of a model to release with such a limited audience. They should really consider splitting Warriors of Chaos and Demons further apart like they did with 40k's Chaos Space Marines and Demons.

At least then this thing could have possibly been marketed in such a way to appeal to 40k Demon players. Especially since they could use a titan sized model beyond just the greater demons.

 His Master's Voice wrote:
The skull acne on the starter set monster kinda made sense to me, because I thought the thing was animated gore, the odd bone sticking out pretty appropriate.

And it was awesome!

So I have been reading reviews of AoS and quick question:

Are they planning on continuing to release free army rules or is this like the ravening hordes book back at the start of 6th ed and once they rename all the armies we go back to buying all the books?

And I would put the price at $120 range since its a chara ter and monster.

 Uriels_Flame wrote:
So I have been reading reviews of AoS and quick question:

Are they planning on continuing to release free army rules or is this like the ravening hordes book back at the start of 6th ed and once they rename all the armies we go back to buying all the books?

And I would put the price at $120 range since its a chara ter and monster.

Of course, nothing is graven in stone ad infinitum, but GW has said the core rules and army warscrolls would be free, and everything they've come up with or relaunched has been free, and added to the app, also for free. So that's pretty telling I suspect that for the life of the product being called Age of Sigmar, the rules/warscrolls will be free. Of course, when it becomes Age of Archaon...

They released Warscrolls for the Sylvaneth (Wood Elf Treemen and Dryads) when they were rereleased for AoS.

 Uriels_Flame wrote:
So I have been reading reviews of AoS and quick question:

Are they planning on continuing to release free army rules or is this like the ravening hordes book back at the start of 6th ed and once they rename all the armies we go back to buying all the books?

Truthfully, you can get the UNIT rules for free.

The only thing that you cannot get from the books has been the unique Battlescroll Detachments.

And I would put the price at $120 range since its a character and monster.

That's what people were saying about the Mortarchs and the Celestant-Prime, but they all came in at under $100.

But it's been months since those, and GW puts the prices up with each release nower days.

Guys. This kit is huge. There is a blight knight right in front of it. Using that as a guide it is about 6 blight knights tall. That's maybe even taller than Nagash. The chimera is also a lot bulkier. I wouldn't be surprised if this was the same price as the storm surge.

Yeah it's a lot lot bigger than the Celestant Prime and the Mortarchs.

Have to say I'm not a huge fan of this one, going on blurry pics and a paintscheme that I don't think does it any favours. It is physically quite impressive, as all GW's 'big kits' are these days, but compared to the old mounted Archaon that just screamed badass, this guy doesn't do a lot for me.

But then to me, the old Achaon is one of the coolest minis GW has ever released, so the bar is pretty high.