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Prestor Jon wrote:
Well, it's definitely out of my price range but even if it wasn't I don't think I would buy it. I think the monster is pretty cool but it really detracts from Archaon in my opinion. The monster is the focal point and Archaon looks like a generic Chaos Lord riding it. It dwarfs Archaon and makes him look small and unimpressive which is a shame because I think the old model of him riding Dorghar makes him look intimidating and powerful.

In my opinion its the paint job. The monsters dark skin/carapace pieces are almost the same color as Archaon's armor, and the lighter skin pieces are almost the same color as Archaon's NMM gold trim. The flaming sword is really the only thing that deviates from the rest of the model, and even with that, there is similar coloring in the tail, topknot and monster chest piece . Even the 3 heads are painted in light shades, only a few shades of blue/red/green from the rest of the skin color of the main body. As it is, he just sot of blends into the monster.

Contrasting colors on the armor would go a very long way to making Archaon the focus of the model, as he should be, given his importance.

Can't wait to see what other painters do with this model!

I already have my game plan set for this paint job.

 warboss wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 warboss wrote:

 Pacific wrote:
I actually just spent less than that on a banger for the work run !!

I had to look that one up as my BBC/Doctor Who British slang failed me (other than "bangers and mash").

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=banger

You either hired a thug and/or prostitute, got breast implants, threw a party, or picked up a load of fireworks... or any combination of the above. Some of those sound more Aussie though but I'm not sure.

It's a car. Like a cheap old one generally

Thanks. The only ones I could rule out was the sausages and breast implants. No sausage would cost you more than Archaon unless it was smoked Northern White Rhino... and there is no point in getting one (singular) banger/breast job done even if you could at that price!

Haha! Thanks ImAGeek, yes it was indeed a car.

Although all of the other things you have mentioned sound much more fun Warboss

Something I am noticing on that monster is just how unimportant Archaon himself is. Nothing about him has the iconic properties of the previous sculpt, nothing about this version of him is really eye catching itself. He could easily be any old no-name lord there. Hell you could remove the rider entirely and it probably wouldn't matter one bit.

Yea.

That's part of my problem as well. I miss Drogha the dark horse. This is a case of bigger and better just being bigger. His proportions don't even seem larger than the average Chaos Lords.

I wouldn't object to a 10ft tall mountain of muscle version of Archaeon. His mount really misses for me too, because of the stupid "skull slit" trend.

 nels1031 wrote:

Prestor Jon wrote:
Well, it's definitely out of my price range but even if it wasn't I don't think I would buy it. I think the monster is pretty cool but it really detracts from Archaon in my opinion. The monster is the focal point and Archaon looks like a generic Chaos Lord riding it. It dwarfs Archaon and makes him look small and unimpressive which is a shame because I think the old model of him riding Dorghar makes him look intimidating and powerful.

In my opinion its the paint job. The monsters dark skin/carapace pieces are almost the same color as Archaon's armor, and the lighter skin pieces are almost the same color as Archaon's NMM gold trim. The flaming sword is really the only thing that deviates from the rest of the model, and even with that, there is similar coloring in the tail, topknot and monster chest piece . Even the 3 heads are painted in light shades, only a few shades of blue/red/green from the rest of the skin color of the main body. As it is, he just sot of blends into the monster.

Contrasting colors on the armor would go a very long way to making Archaon the focus of the model, as he should be, given his importance.

Can't wait to see what other painters do with this model!

I already have my game plan set for this paint job.

Yeah, you're right about the paint job making him blend in with his mount. I think the paint job plus the way the monster makes Archaon look small combines to make what should be a very imposing model look very disappointing.

200 CAD!? Who's still buying this stuff?

 jojo_monkey_boy wrote:
200 CAD!? Who's still buying this stuff?

I'm still trying to figure that out.

Opinions time: I think that's one of the most ugly and awful designs I have ever seen. Just hideous and pointlessly huge.

I'll cast my stone:

I like the model. I like everything GW though.. I like the over the top design, its fantasy, and its kinda how I like my fantasy. I like big center pieces, I like painting one large single model at a time vs 30 little ones. I had hoped and dreamed to play Warhammer on the scale like Warmachine/Hordes. They were so close I feel. I really think if they had included a points cost this could have gone a whole other directions. Sadly its just to frustrating to try and figure out. The price I can ignore, yes $165 USD is really high, really high... I think $120 was my peak, but if the system was good and balanced, he would be on my table for sure.

as I said before, the three heads ruined it imo. A more regular daemonic or draconic head would have made the model epic looking. Now, it looks clownish.

With this price and the univerally bad AOS reception, I guess it will not sell well.

The price, good god, the price! The primarchs are cheaper than him and are way prettier.

$200 Canadian..... For plastic. What the actual feth, GW?

They've entered the x4 era. The prophecy is coming true.

I think that it looks cool, but at the same time it is quite similar to the last few big models they have released.

It seems like someone in the design studio thought the idea that all big monsters should be in some super dynamic pose with only a tiny bit touching the base would be the way to go.

At first it was cool with Nagash, but now it seems a bit overdone.

I would have preferred him to be in some bracing stance to look more menacing then floating about on his tail.

That's true, dynamic is overrated. See one of the most menacing GW models ever:

 warboss wrote:
and there is no point in getting one (singular) banger/breast job done even if you could at that price!

Some people take their Slaanesh army more seriously than others.

 Mymearan wrote:
That's true, dynamic is overrated. See one of the most menacing GW models ever:

http://www.littlewarbirds.co.uk/woc/red.jpg

I've never seen that one before, but I like it.

Ha, ya the new models pose does look like he stepped on a Lego

 Mymearan wrote:
That's true, dynamic is overrated. See one of the most menacing GW models ever:

Only problem is that his shield is stupid as hell.

Dynamic works, but you still just can't have the model be too overdone, imo. These guys already have spikes and the like enough - and the old Archaon is the perfect dynamic pose, imo:



Also no longer available on the GW site, it seems? A shame to put such a great model out of production to make room for the new version, couldn't he just have two mounts?

 RiTides wrote:
Also no longer available on the GW site, it seems? A shame to put such a great model out of production to make room for the new version, couldn't he just have two mounts?

Maybe they're afraid nobody would buy the inferior, more expensive version if the old one was still available?

coldgaming wrote:
I'm pretty tempted to pick up that Stormcast expansion. It's a great deal and pretty much the perfect set of units.

I don't see how anything with AoS models can be the "perfect set of units"... seems like an oxymoron because you still have to buy and play AoS :p

 RiTides wrote:
Dynamic works, but you still just can't have the model be too overdone, imo. These guys already have spikes and the like enough - and the old Archaon is the perfect dynamic pose, imo:



Also no longer available on the GW site, it seems? A shame to put such a great model out of production to make room for the new version, couldn't he just have two mounts?

One of the greatest models GW has ever done in my humble opinion!

Agreed, Trying to track a metal one down myself.

It is amazing, although imo the one I posted is its equal... Or at least the cooler twin.

Chopxsticks wrote:Was the tape measure really $30 USD?

It was probably hand-hewn. By dwarfs. With burning beards.

(That one got GW a ticking-off from the Equal Opportunities Commission.)

RiTides wrote:Over the top is right... sheesh. Technically well done but I just can't get into it... seems like it's different for the sake of it. Would've preferred a dragon, or something less common, but this just looks like a mismash to me.

Yup.

Turalon wrote:I think that it looks cool, but at the same time it is quite similar to the last few big models they have released.

It seems like someone in the design studio thought the idea that all big monsters should be in some super dynamic pose with only a tiny bit touching the base would be the way to go.

At first it was cool with Nagash, but now it seems a bit overdone.

I would have preferred him to be in some bracing stance to look more menacing then floating about on his tail.

Yyup.

warboss wrote:Agreed. I'd say GW was jumping the shark with the design but I think it might be more accurate to say they're riding the three headed shark with that design. I'm a big fan of the mounted Archaon on horseback and have the gamesday foot fig but this design basically exemplifies what I don't like about alot of warhammer designs. The recent designs take a good thing (monsters, horns, skulls) and crank it up to 11 where it instead becomes a charicature of itself. There doesn't seem to be any room for subtlety at all in Fantasy (and to a lesser extent in 40k) anymore with the design team especially after the sigmarines and skull acne of AOS. It's all ZOMG! eXtreme!!!, all the time. This model is the fantasy equivalent of the joke picture of Dante riding a flying landraider while playing an electric guitar; it's virtual parody made phsyical.

Yyyup.

Viewed through the lens of the 'is GW saving itself' topic, the answer is no. Same OTT design work; same stupid-huge size; same stupid-huge price; same disregard for any kind of game stability; same reactions of 'it must be mine' and 'ouch me wallet nudge nudge wink wink'... same trend in sales in the next few reports?

They're leaving slaanesh out because they're gearing up to introduce their new chaos god of excess - Ro'bligh''fel'd'''"'.

 Mymearan wrote:
It is amazing, although imo the one I posted is its equal... Or at least the cooler twin.

What they both share though is a commanding presence. The new Archaon model lacks this. At least from the angles we've seen so far...

 Kirasu wrote:

coldgaming wrote:
I'm pretty tempted to pick up that Stormcast expansion. It's a great deal and pretty much the perfect set of units.

I don't see how anything with AoS models can be the "perfect set of units"... seems like an oxymoron because you still have to buy and play AoS :p

except for the fact that the AoS core rules are free, and you don't actually have to play in order to enjoy the models...


i have been very impressed with the AoS minis in hand...
they are really ingenious in the way they go together, to work around some of the limitations of plastic casting...
each new starter set from GW is improving on the techniques of mitigating the flaws of the medium...

the AoS box Lord of Khorne is my new favorite Chaos mini, and his Fleshhound is the best version ever, as far as i'm concerned...
the Lord just needs a little Greenstuff to cover the belly skulls, and he is perfect...

i am not a fan of the new Archaon in comparison to his previous version, though...
it is hard improve on perfection, and they had it just right with Drogha as a badass hell-horse...
this version doesn't come close to the improvement that Nagash saw with his latest kit, for me...

sad to see the old Archaon go, especially since i returned to L.A., only to find that the half of my collection that was here had been stolen:(...
so many cool metal models gone forever, including my SoB and Archaon on Drogha...
looks like i'll be battling Eldarain to track down another metal one...

cheers
jah

 Kirasu wrote:

coldgaming wrote:
I'm pretty tempted to pick up that Stormcast expansion. It's a great deal and pretty much the perfect set of units.

I don't see how anything with AoS models can be the "perfect set of units"... seems like an oxymoron because you still have to buy and play AoS :p

As far as going from the starter box and expanding your army for a discount, this set is exactly what I'd be looking for. Edit: Not going to get bogged down in it.

 jah-joshua wrote:


i have been very impressed with the AoS minis in hand...
they are really ingenious in the way they go together, to work around some of the limitations of plastic casting...
each new starter set from GW is improving on the techniques of mitigating the flaws of the medium...

the AoS box Lord of Khorne is my new favorite Chaos mini, and his Fleshhound is the best version ever, as far as i'm concerned...
the Lord just needs a little Greenstuff to cover the belly skulls, and he is perfect...

So, he's perfect, if you put extra effort into fixing a problem with him? I think it's weird that a model that you have to "fix" is your favorite, over some of the older ones that are amazing as is, like the old Archon.

 Mymearan wrote:
It is amazing, although imo the one I posted is its equal... Or at least the cooler twin.

This is maybe my favourite non-FW model ever.

The Khorne Jugger-Lord is possibly my favourite GW figure too. Stunning.

Deadawake1347 wrote:
So, he's perfect, if you put extra effort into fixing a problem with him? I think it's weird that a model that you have to "fix" is your favorite, over some of the older ones that are amazing as is, like the old Archon.

The old Archaon mount has atrocious back legs. That was a bigger fix for me than any problem this version presents.