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Love the art on the front. But annoyed by the monopose Contemptor, yeah it can be converted but I'm not overly confident with cutting models up, but I'm almost definitely gonna buy a box (assuming I can before they all sell out).

 insaniak wrote:
Honestly, I doubt that the monopose legs on the dreadnought are going to hurt sales all that significantly.

GW have always had monopose legs on their dreadnoughts. It's disappointing that they keep doing it, but not really that unexpected.

While that's true, the Contemptors have actual knees and such, and so it looks more noticeable on legs that much more anthropomorphic to be monopose than it does on the stubby regular dread legs.

Yes, I know that the regular dreads do have a molded knee joint in the middle of the leg, but it's well hidden by the leg armor, while the Contemptor's is a much more prominent part of its leg.

Oh, and I agree that it won't really hurt sales. I'm still buying at least 3 of these. But it would have been really nice to have had multiposeability on the plastic Contemptors. Hopefully they really are easy to convert.

 Blitza da warboy wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:

 Formosa wrote:
that dread most certainly is not mono pose, at least not to anyone with even a slight bit of skill at conversions.

It certainly is compared to the resin kit, where literally every joint on the "real" dread is an actual joint on the model that can be glued anywhere in its full range of motion. Maybe it's worth doing a lot of conversion work if the plastic dread is cheap, but it's a huge step back in quality.

Playing devils advocate here, but there is a reason as to why the dreadnought is so static posed. With the different casting practices made with plastic versus resin it would have taken more sprue space to have every joint be seperate and that could result also in seams showing more obviously. Not that it should matter much anyways, it looks like it'll be easy as hell to convert, thats definitely what im doing

When we speak of posability of a dreadnought, we're talking about rotation of the upper torso, the legs being able to rotate forwards and back, having a jointed knee, a jointed foot. To a lesser extent, rotation of the arms, because the weapons limit what you can do with them anyhow; and rotation of the head isn't important (or possible) with many dreadnought designs.

In the plastic contemptor, the arms are as posable as any other dreadnought. The waist (attaching the upper from lower torso) is cast as one piece, but it looks like it would be trivial to slice in two and twist. Similarly, the legs look trivial to cut off and rotate.

Where you run into trouble are the knees: this requires some real skill and sculpting to mess with, but this isn't any different from any other plastic plastic dreadnought. And, without adjustable feet (which regular pastic dreads do have), you're pretty limited in what you could do with the legs anyhow.

At the end of the day, though, I'm only getting 1 comptemptor to a $150 box, so I'm not really worried. I mean, it's not like I'm going to ever have a whole bunch of them. 3 would probably be it, and within that context, I think they'll be posable enough; of course, I always prefer more joints to fewer, but I agree with you, that the sprue only has so much space, and cost and box space are certainly both issues. I would really like to see how interchangeable/adaptable they are to the resin Contemptors, and resin parts, though. Generally, I don't buy Forge World Contemptors because it takes me longer to prep one than it does to finish an entire plastic dreadnought.

Edit: ahhhh I see the LoW post says the arms are interchangeable with resin bits. ZOMG. WANT NAO.

In case anyone missed it..

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Contents of the Box:
30x Tactical marines MK IV ONLY!
5x Cataphractii Terminators
1x Contemptor with Lascannon and CCW (FW Contemptor arms are interchangeable with the new plastics)
1x Praetor
1x Chaplain
The game box will be the only way to get the models for the initial release. The more you buy the faster the minis will come out in squad form

 insaniak wrote:
GW have always had monopose legs on their dreadnoughts.

Yeah, but in this case it's a monopose version of a kit that DOES have a full range of posing options for its legs. It's clearly an inferior product where the only possible appeal is that it might be cheap enough compared to the FW kit that people are willing to put up with a single pose. I understand that there are reasons to do it that way, but for me unless it's a $10-20 kit I'm not even going to consider buying one over the FW version.

Not being able to twist the torso seems like a big flaw.

Wonder how hard a crouched pose would be with the plastic version?


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Wonder how hard a crouched pose would be with the plastic version?

shade1313 wrote:

 insaniak wrote:
Honestly, I doubt that the monopose legs on the dreadnought are going to hurt sales all that significantly.

GW have always had monopose legs on their dreadnoughts. It's disappointing that they keep doing it, but not really that unexpected.

While that's true, the Contemptors have actual knees and such, and so it looks more noticeable on legs that much more anthropomorphic to be monopose than it does on the stubby regular dread legs.

They also might have been able to get away with it easily 10 years ago, but these days they have a lot of competition these days. I know that's why I don't own a knight. I think I'd enjoy painting one but the legs are stuck while the Dreamforge ones are fully posible, so I bought a couple of those instead.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Not being able to twist the torso seems like a big flaw.

I totally agree that the torso should be twistable, but this looks very easy to do, since we can see both the front and back piece of the body of the dreadnought. It would have been better detached, even if it were a flat joint (instead of a ball joint).

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Not being able to twist the torso seems like a big flaw.

Exactly! Having a monopose body in a boring pose is just inexcusable. It's probably easier to fix compared to the leg problems, but why would you turn one of the most dynamic kits in 40k into a monopose embarrassment? At least put the torso into an interesting pose if you're going to do that!


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 jonolikespie wrote:
I know that's why I don't own a knight. I think I'd enjoy painting one but the legs are stuck while the Dreamforge ones are fully posible, so I bought a couple of those instead.

Yeah, same here, just without the Dreamforge purchase. The knight might have been interesting but those static legs just kill it for me. If I ever buy a knight it's going to be one of the FW variants just so I can have some decent posing options.

Out of curiosity, Peregrine, do you own a Space Marine army?

 TheCustomLime wrote:
Out of curiosity, Peregrine, do you own a Space Marine army?

Nope. I've thought about it, especially now that the 30k Raven Guard stuff is coming out, but I haven't invested the money and painting time yet. I did, however, buy a FW Contemptor for my DKoK army (pic to demonstrate the posing options):

Ahhh. Nice paint job on the Contemptor.

And if it's not clear from the picture, the ankle, knee and hip joints are all built as separate pieces and can be assembled anywhere in the full range of motion on the "real" dread. The waist joint is actually two separate joints (one between the hip and the waist piece, and one hidden where the waist bit goes up inside the main body). The arms have shoulder (x2) and elbow joints, and the claw arms can rotate at the wrist and have separate finger pieces. IOW, if you can imagine the "real" dread doing a particular pose then you can probably build it that way.

jimkurtjimmy wrote:
So what are the major deferences between mark 4 and 7 other than the helmet. I need a little more motivation to buy it. Just wish it was mark 3 for my iron warriors

Pretty much every part except the cuisse and the sabatons.





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I dig the idea of MKIII in plastic too, but I'm totally down for some MK IV. It's not like the legions used a single armour mark by the end of the great crusade. Since my Death Guard are in almost all MKIII these will add some nice diversity to the force.

Yeah contemptors got some great posing options, especially if you magnetize.


(Sorry for blur. New house has awful lighting.)

Even if it's monopose, a little love and a jeweller's saw should be able to make the plastic contemptor about as customizable as it's resin cousins.

Am interested to see how the game splits the 2 forces, say the Marines are an equal split, a character each and the Terminators and Contemptor on opposing sides? Or maybe there will be a recycling mechanic for those heretical Word Bearers.

I also hope the game itself is fun with lots of replay value.

Having no real knowledge of Forge World I really like the look of the Mark IV meltagun as well. Roll on November 14th.

However from fw you can't buy 30 tacs, Contemptor, cataphractii and characters for 90 quid or so - there's the appeal for most.

Given that this is effectively the HH starter set, I wonder if they'll do a more posable Contemptor further down the line; Assault on Black Reach had a much simplified dread and Dark Vengeance's Helbrute was followed by the more flexible model.

rtb02 wrote:
However from fw you can't buy 30 tacs, Contemptor, cataphractii and characters for 90 quid or so - there's the appeal for most.

This has been acknowledged, but it's still kind of disappointing that the only reason to buy the new "game" seems to be that it's cheaper than the better models.


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 Jadenim wrote:
Given that this is effectively the HH starter set, I wonder if they'll do a more posable Contemptor further down the line; Assault on Black Reach had a much simplified dread and Dark Vengeance's Helbrute was followed by the more flexible model.

Maybe? That seems like a lot of extra money to spend on kit design, especially when there's already the FW model available. It doesn't seem to be a starter set in the traditional sense and most of the buyers are probably going to be people with existing 40k armies who want to start 30k. So why produce a crippled version of the kits instead of just doing it right the first time? I guess it could happen but my guess would be this is it for a plastic Contemptor, at least for the foreseeable future.

 Peregrine wrote:

 Jehan-reznor wrote:
Well they marketing it as a board-game, static poses in board-games was the norm before all the stuff hit kickstarter.

They can market it as whatever they want, but 95% of their purchases are going to be people buying plastic 30k marines without the slightest bit of concern for whatever board game rules happen to be in the box. And it's clearly not a traditional board game when you get a box full of sprues and have to spend huge amounts of time assembling all of the pieces. So they've just hit an awkward middle ground where the game has very little appeal to the "normal" board game market but the mono-pose models limit its appeal to the people who might otherwise want to buy it.

GW decides what the Market is, not you and this thing called logic! go away!

 Peregrine wrote:

rtb02 wrote:
However from fw you can't buy 30 tacs, Contemptor, cataphractii and characters for 90 quid or so - there's the appeal for most.

This has been acknowledged, but it's still kind of disappointing that the only reason to buy the new "game" seems to be that it's cheaper than the better models

The tacticals are all fully posed ala the fw kits so currently it's the Contemptor only that is "better" from fw.

rtb02 wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:

rtb02 wrote:
However from fw you can't buy 30 tacs, Contemptor, cataphractii and characters for 90 quid or so - there's the appeal for most.

This has been acknowledged, but it's still kind of disappointing that the only reason to buy the new "game" seems to be that it's cheaper than the better models

The tacticals are all fully posed ala the fw kits so currently it's the Contemptor only that is "better" from fw.

They still seem to have the weird GW 'squatting' pose as opposed to the more natural poses the FW ones tend to have.

Forces in the game:

Ultramarines: Praetor + Cataphractii + 10 Tacticals

Word Bearers: Dark Apostle + 20 Tacticals + Contemptor

Maybe this has been answered but is this going to be limited or a permanent item?

Honestly.. i'm (at the moment) utterly dissapointed.

The models look quite boring ...

 insaniak wrote:

 infinite_array wrote:
I'm curious - how many of us are going to toss the board game part of this box right into the trash as soon as we open it?

I woudl probably be inclined to take the time to determine whether or not the game is good, first.

Indeed; I've quite enjoyed the Execution Force game.

RoninXiC wrote:
Honestly.. i'm (at the moment) utterly dissapointed.

The models look quite boring ...

Same here. Really not impressed by what weve seen

Hmm... need better pics. On one hand the deal isn't as sweet as I was hoping, on the other, there's still a good bit in there compared to what you'd pay separately.

From GW:
3x Tactical Squads= £75
1xTerminators=£27
1xDread= £28
2x Characters= £30 (or more, these days)

So you're essentially paying for the PA Marines and a character, and getting the rest free'....

Anyone else severely pained by seeing HH marines painted in the clean, colourful GW style rather than FW's perfect gritty take?

Not really. Both styles work I think.