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 ScootyPuffJunior wrote:

 Bromsy wrote:
Okay, so basically what you are saying is that I was right? Because I said it wasn't the original name, you said it was, I said it wasn't, and then you said it wasn't? It's not like I said McKinley was the original name.

Denali is the most prominent of the historic names for the mountain and the one used by the people who settled the area around the mountain, which is the reason why we use that as the original name.

Sorry if you have a difficult time understanding that.

Sigh. I am not having difficulty understanding anything.

Did I say it wasn't the most 'historically prominent' name?

Did I say it was a bad name?

I made the simple statement that it (Denali) probably wasn't the original name. And it probably wasn't. Get over yourself. It was a mild joke, maybe with the intent to make people think a bit about the fact that basically no one anywhere were the original people there. But you had to swoop in to correct me... because you apparently read stuff into what I said that wasn't there.

Both of you knock off the condescension and rudeness now before you completely overstep the line.

 Xenomancers wrote:

Isn't everything all around us renamed though and we all go on about our lives not caring how rude it is? I am on the cusp here...part of me can feel for the Alaskans right to do what they wish with their mountain but part of me just can't stand the message it sends to the rest of the world - that America is weak and doesn't even care for it's own heritage.

"The infidels have renamed a mountain. They are weak and will fall beneath the might of our angry mobs! AK-47's for everyone!!! LET US INVADE AMERICA!!!!!"

 zedmeister wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:

Isn't everything all around us renamed though and we all go on about our lives not caring how rude it is? I am on the cusp here...part of me can feel for the Alaskans right to do what they wish with their mountain but part of me just can't stand the message it sends to the rest of the world - that America is weak and doesn't even care for it's own heritage.

"The infidels have renamed a mountain. They are weak and will fall beneath the might of our angry mobs! AK-47's for everyone!!! LET US INVADE AMERICA!!!!!"

The only red line here is the one crossing out the name Mckinley.

If the mountain won't come to Barack Hussein Obama then Barack Hussein Obama must go to the mountain.


GG

 Bromsy wrote:

 ScootyPuffJunior wrote:

 Bromsy wrote:
I doubt Denali is the original name of the mountain. Sure it's been called that for a while... but original? Probably not.

It's what the Koyukon people who have lived in the region for thousands of years have called it. It pretty much means "tall."

So yeah, it's the original name.

Ah, so is it the term original you are having trouble with? Or do you honestly believe that whatever proto-native american group first stumbled on the mountain, pointed at it and said "Denali", settled down for the twenty to forty or so thousand years between then and now - depending on what theories you buy into about how the Americas were populated - and remained culturally and linguistically stable, or at least enough so that the word for that specific mountain remained the exact same?

Cause I am betting no.

I dunno... let's ask "god" what the mountain's name really is...


And not to get semantic... but anglicizing a name isn't changing it... it's changing the spelling to fit our limited alphabet. It'd be like some dude named Kominski... In Cyrillic lettering it probably looks all crazy and nothing like that. "Kominski" is merely the anglicized spelling.

Glad you guys had such fun with the thread. It really is funny.

What is really interesting about this though - apart from the fact our wikipedia fact sheet is going to change in the highest peak department - is that Trump can and already has used this for Political gain. Ohio has literally been the most important state to win in the electoral college for any presidential candidate as it has has quite a lot of votes for a swing state.

McKinley was an Ohio native who has now been scoffed by Obama. Not exactly a smart move if you ask me - to overstep the congress to enrage the populace of the most important state for determining presidential elections. Trump read this news an instantly made a statement that he will restore the McKinley name if he wins the election. LOL. Got love the Trump. All Obama had to do to avoid this was make some effort to honor McKinley - which I have no idea why he didn't.

It's because he hates America, and this is just one step on the path to instilling a new age of liberal darkness.

Ohio won't matter for that, because there won't be any elections in the gay re-education FEMA camps.

Also, I'm going to call shenanigans on the idea that the population of Ohio is enraged by this. My guess is that they're an even split between "didn't hear about this", "didn't know who McKinley was", "didn't know McKinley was from Ohio" and "don't care".

I lived in Ohio for 17 years, and I don't think I ever heard anybody express any concern at all about McKinley's legacy.

It's also, what, 16 months prior to the General election? Probably not going to be a big factor.

 Xenomancers wrote:

McKinley was an Ohio native who has now been scoffed by Obama.

Outside of those who are perpetually offended by everything Obama does, there's not many people think this is what he's done.

Trump read this news an instantly made a statement that he will restore the McKinley name if he wins the election.

Trump hates other people's opinion #shocker!

 reds8n wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:

McKinley was an Ohio native who has now been scoffed by Obama.

Outside of those who are perpetually offended by everything Obama does, there's not many people think this is what he's done.

Trump read this news an instantly made a statement that he will restore the McKinley name if he wins the election.

Trump hates other people's opinion #shocker!

Thats because they're STUPID and Trump will negotiate the best mountain name ever! because he's rich.

Ouze wrote:I'm pretty sure there was a mountain in the movie K2 but I don't know what it was called.

"The one from K2" duhhh

curran12 wrote:I imagine the only people who will care about this are the ones who would be fire up the outrage for "Obama eats a sandwich" headlines.

This is a slap in the face to celiacs, gluten-free dieteers and supermodels everywhere. Where is Mr. Obama's sense of humanity, his sense of compassion? Really, this proves more than any other single act, what kind of monster our commander-in-chief truly is.

Strombones wrote:So its IS Barack's Rock!!!!!

Only for another year or so


But really though, is this actually a serious issue?! My word...

If Trump will rename it anything it will be Trump Mountain.

 Lord Corellia wrote:


This is a slap in the face to celiacs, gluten-free dieteers and supermodels everywhere. Where is Mr. Obama's sense of humanity, his sense of compassion? Really, this proves more than any other single act, what kind of monster our commander-in-chief truly is.

Aren't you a Cannuck? He's not quite YOUR CiC. Unless of course, you're agreeing to be America's hat.

 d-usa wrote:
If Trump will rename it anything it will be Trump Mountain.

Trump will likely rename it McKinley....cause that's what he said he would do.

At least we know we're out of problems when the Prez flies out to Alaska to re-name a mountain.

 d-usa wrote:
If Trump will rename it anything it will be Trump Mountain.

Only acceptable if you fill the mountain with hot air and put astroturf over the peak...

 Xenomancers wrote:
McKinley was an Ohio native who has now been scoffed by Obama. Not exactly a smart move if you ask me - to overstep the congress to enrage the populace of the most important state for determining presidential elections.

Ummm, you *DO* know Barry isn't running again, right? Now, if he had signed a bill that allowed a president a third term THEN we would have a serious political issue. As it is, I don't see how this will damage his standing in the next presidential election...

 Xenomancers wrote:
Trump read this news an instantly made a statement that he will restore the McKinley name if he wins the election. LOL. Got love the Trump. All Obama had to do to avoid this was make some effort to honor McKinley - which I have no idea why he didn't.

Donald Trump is a moron and a blowhard. If he wins the election, there will be much bigger problems all over the place than a mountain. As Megyn Kelly said "if Trump couldn't handle me, how will handle Vladimir Putin?"

 Xenomancers wrote:
Glad you guys had such fun with the thread. It really is funny.

What is really interesting about this though - apart from the fact our wikipedia fact sheet is going to change in the highest peak department - is that Trump can and already has used this for Political gain. Ohio has literally been the most important state to win in the electoral college for any presidential candidate as it has has quite a lot of votes for a swing state.

McKinley was an Ohio native who has now been scoffed by Obama. Not exactly a smart move if you ask me - to overstep the congress to enrage the populace of the most important state for determining presidential elections. Trump read this news an instantly made a statement that he will restore the McKinley name if he wins the election. LOL. Got love the Trump. All Obama had to do to avoid this was make some effort to honor McKinley - which I have no idea why he didn't.

This can't be a serious post.

 Lt. Coldfire wrote:
At least we know we're out of problems when the Prez flies out to Alaska to re-name a mountain.

To be fair he was there for other reasons...reason I actually support...renaming a mountain to honor a living population of 2300 people...come on man. Hundreds of millions of people call that Mt. McKinley!

 gorgon wrote:
This can't be a serious post.

He may just work for Fox News.

 Lord Corellia wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
McKinley was an Ohio native who has now been scoffed by Obama. Not exactly a smart move if you ask me - to overstep the congress to enrage the populace of the most important state for determining presidential elections.

Ummm, you *DO* know Barry isn't running again, right? Now, if he had signed a bill that allowed a president a third term THEN we would have a serious political issue. As it is, I don't see how this will damage his standing in the next presidential election...

 Xenomancers wrote:
Trump read this news an instantly made a statement that he will restore the McKinley name if he wins the election. LOL. Got love the Trump. All Obama had to do to avoid this was make some effort to honor McKinley - which I have no idea why he didn't.

Donald Trump is a moron and a blowhard. If he wins the election, there will be much bigger problems all over the place than a mountain. As Megyn Kelly said "if Trump couldn't handle me, how will handle Vladimir Putin?"

You do know he is a member of the democratic party which will in fact be running in the next election right?

 Xenomancers wrote:
To be fair he was there for other reasons...reason I actually support...renaming a mountain to honor a living population of 2300 people...come on man. Hundreds of millions of people call that Mt. McKinley!

For a stupid reason. Surely there must be a better place to name after McKinley that would honour him better? More than "I like the cut o' yer goldin gib there, Bill!" by some toothless miner.

 Xenomancers wrote:

You do know he is a member of the democratic party which will in fact be running in the next election right?

I can see it now:

"Despite a superior series of pledges, the Democrats were undermined by Denali-gate. Congratulations world, you get Bush Mk III/I've just Trumped (delete as appropriate) for the next n years. Thank you Obama and thank you Denali."

 Lord Corellia wrote:

 gorgon wrote:
This can't be a serious post.

He may just work for Fox News.

If I work for fox news...why do I support Obama's real reason for going to Alaska - to spread awareness of the effects of global warming in the region? Probably because I am in independent. Also, I am sure you are aware there isn't a non bias news station at least that I am aware of. I can't stand any mainstream news.

 Xenomancers wrote:

 Lt. Coldfire wrote:
At least we know we're out of problems when the Prez flies out to Alaska to re-name a mountain.

To be fair he was there for other reasons...reason I actually support...renaming a mountain to honor a living population of 2300 people...come on man. Hundreds of millions of people call that Mt. McKinley!

2,300 living people is still more than one dead mediocre president.

And the population of a whole state, acting through their legislature, with broad congressional support at the federal level against how many people that are actually bothered by this?

Honestly, other than "Obama" why do you care? What is your connection to the mountain of the name? Other than "it's always been that way", which is of course a lie, why does your opinion matter more than the actual people in the actual state?

 Xenomancers wrote:
You do know he is a member of the democratic party which will in fact be running in the next election right?

Yes, and? You're telling me that a president legally changing the name of a mountain, as asked to by the people of the state in which it is situated, will blackball the Democratic party? That sounds ridiculous. You're implying that the people of Ohio give a gak about Obama, mountains or McKinley. Not sure they do. Show me the proof.


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 zedmeister wrote:
I can see it now:

"Despite a superior series of pledges, the Democrats were undermined by Denali-gate. Congratulations world, you get Bush Mk III/I've just Trumped (delete as appropriate) for the next n years. Thank you Obama and thank you Denali."

Won't my face be red if this is exactly what happens?


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 Xenomancers wrote:
Also, I am sure you are aware there isn't a non bias news station at least that I am aware of. I can't stand any mainstream news.

True enough, but Fox seems the only one to villify Obama over just about anything.

"President Obama saved the life of a young child today, diving to push him out of the path of a moving van."

And Fox be like:
"fething Barry just couldn't resist the urge to get close to a child. SMH."

I strongly dislike this president, but have no concern over this. It is a non issue in my book. There are things that have real, meaningful impacts on people's lives. This isn't one of them. It gets a big whatever from me.

 Lord Corellia wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
You do know he is a member of the democratic party which will in fact be running in the next election right?

Yes, and? You're telling me that a president legally changing the name of a mountain, as asked to by the people of the state in which it is situated, will blackball the Democratic party? That sounds ridiculous. You're implying that the people of Ohio give a gak about Obama, mountains or McKinley. Not sure they do. Show me the proof.


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 zedmeister wrote:
I can see it now:

"Despite a superior series of pledges, the Democrats were undermined by Denali-gate. Congratulations world, you get Bush Mk III/I've just Trumped (delete as appropriate) for the next n years. Thank you Obama and thank you Denali."

Won't my face be red if this is exactly what happens?

How is that ridiculous? Ohio has been fighting for years to keep the name...Obama oversteps congress to declare the name change himself... is really that hard to see the political damage that this could cause? Obama didn't win Ohio by much - little things like this can throw an election.

 Xenomancers wrote:

 Lord Corellia wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
You do know he is a member of the democratic party which will in fact be running in the next election right?

Yes, and? You're telling me that a president legally changing the name of a mountain, as asked to by the people of the state in which it is situated, will blackball the Democratic party? That sounds ridiculous. You're implying that the people of Ohio give a gak about Obama, mountains or McKinley. Not sure they do. Show me the proof.


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 zedmeister wrote:
I can see it now:

"Despite a superior series of pledges, the Democrats were undermined by Denali-gate. Congratulations world, you get Bush Mk III/I've just Trumped (delete as appropriate) for the next n years. Thank you Obama and thank you Denali."

Won't my face be red if this is exactly what happens?

How is that ridiculous? Ohio has been fighting for years to keep the name...Obama oversteps congress to declare the name change himself... is really that hard to see the political damage that this could cause? Obama didn't win Ohio by much - little things like this can throw an election.

Did "Ohio" fight for years to keep the name? Did their senators and representatives get elected on a platform of "this name will not change"? Do the people of Ohio hold rallies to keep the name?

Did a single city in Ohio fight to keep the name?

Or did a single person who happens to be from Ohio who had a personal interest because of where he is from fight to keep the name?

I feel that you are placing just a little too much weight on how "Ohio" as a whole feels about this.