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In all honesty, Voyager sucked pretty bad. And enterprise.
Voyager and enterprise are without a doubt the two worst star-trek series and by a large margin. The only remotely interesting character in ether of these series is Janeway but not nearly interesting enough to carry the show.
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I'd disagree. Voyager was bad, but The Doctor managed to be interesting in episodes about him, and Seven of Nine had her moments. Tuvok to me was... Far to predictably Vulcan to be enjoyable. T'Pol honest felt completely out of place in Enterprise. It seemed to me she belonged on a high school dramedy, not a sci-fi adventure series...
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He commands the coolest ship in the coolest quadrant against the coolest adversaries. That wouldn't be enough for him to be the best. His character is very much human, he expresses emotion and feels for those under him and around him. He appealed to the emotions even of his enemies - even to a Jem'hadar! He just feels the most real of any startrek captain for me. DS9 is also the peek of startrek - so that helps him too.
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sebster wrote: For some reason Star Trek always writes really good doctors, except Crusher,
Pulaski?
Does she really count? I always wondered if she was written with the intent of having Crusher promoted to her position in the first couple of seasons, to put some kind of movement through the ranks over the course of the show? Or was she just so uninteresting they decided to move her on early in the show?
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Smacks wrote: I used to like "The Doctor" a lot, but as Voyager went on I started to find him a bit hammy and annoying, especially when every episode seemed to be about him and Seven trying to hook up, and then he strikes out anyway... Meh.
The Doctor was doing it alone on the show until Seven showed up, and then it was the two of them trying to carry the whole show against the bland nothingness that surrounded them. So if they did start to wear thin, you have to remember what they were working with.
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Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
Does she really count? I always wondered if she was written with the intent of having Crusher promoted to her position in the first couple of seasons, to put some kind of movement through the ranks over the course of the show? Or was she just so uninteresting they decided to move her on early in the show?
From what I remember Gates McFadden had a falling out with one of the writers who wrote her out in favour of the terrible Pulaski. When said writer left, berman brought her back
Exactly, the effect of that scene is in the contrast to what came before.
I'd also argue that one of the most powerful moments in all of Star Trek belongs to Sisko;
Definitely. DS9 has many of the best Trek moments. It also had a game of baseball against Vulcans, and other standard Trek nonsense, and while all Trek had inconsistencies in quality and tone, I think it hurt DS9 a little more than TNG because of the attempt in DS9 to tell a larger and more serious story. The more episodic nature of TNG meant you could just ignore sillier episodes a little easier. IMHO opinion anyway.
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zedmeister wrote: From what I remember Gates McFadden had a falling out with one of the writers who wrote her out in favour of the terrible Pulaski. When said writer left, berman brought her back
Ah, never thought it could be something like that. Cheers for the info.
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Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
Robert Picardo was wasted as the doctor in voyager. Anybody who's seen him play the cowboy in Inner Space knows what I'm talking about.
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I liked voyager and enterprise.Mainly because I saw them first, so im not sullied by the old being "Better"
So, Im Voting Janeway
I wish voyager was the more Darker Show and DS9 was the more lighthearted one
Does she really count? I always wondered if she was written with the intent of having Crusher promoted to her position in the first couple of seasons, to put some kind of movement through the ranks over the course of the show? Or was she just so uninteresting they decided to move her on early in the show?
From what I remember Gates McFadden had a falling out with one of the writers who wrote her out in favour of the terrible Pulaski. When said writer left, berman brought her back
My understanding is that one of the producers had been sexually harassing her (I believe I heard Maurice Hurley?), so she left. The same guy ended up causing a lot more trouble with guest directors and actors in the second season, so he was let go. When he left, Gates McFadden came back. It helped that Pulaski appeared to be unpopular with fans.
Movie picard is pretty good seocnd only to Sisko in my book - TNG series Picard is much weaker.
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Definitely. DS9 has many of the best Trek moments. It also had a game of baseball against Vulcans, and other standard Trek nonsense, and while all Trek had inconsistencies in quality and tone, I think it hurt DS9 a little more than TNG because of the attempt in DS9 to tell a larger and more serious story. The more episodic nature of TNG meant you could just ignore sillier episodes a little easier. IMHO opinion anyway.
Perhaps I am sexist, but I voted for the female characters. All the series had so many beautiful women (and the TOS costume designers were smart enough to design their uniforms accordingly ). I mean, who cares if Dr. Crusher is not that great of a character, she is (or was, I should say) so freakin' HOT!
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You're missing Kira Nerys and Gul Dukat (probably spelled both wrong) from the list. They both deserve consideration, especially since the latter was such a damn good villain.
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In all honesty, Voyager sucked pretty bad. And enterprise.
I liked Tuvok. I also didn't hate enterprise, it has some ropey stories and the temporal war arc was dire, but by it's last series it was in it's stride and doing rather well I thought. It also has two of my very high ranking character favorites in it, T'Pol and the amazing Phlox. It's human cast is regrettably wooden however and the 'love interest' story foisted between Tripp and T'Pol was really squirmingly bad. The mirror universe two parter is excellent, the portrayal of introduction to the OS alien species is great, especially the Orions and the Andorians.
As to Neelix, the man/dog/fish in a suite cut from early 90s travelodge curtains... no effin way. I hated that character, the spiney headed child and the ridiculous 'borg kids'.
I believe the correct order of things to be this: DS9 - NG - OS - ENT - VOY - JJAbominationmovies...
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Picard is the best to serve under. He's capable, professional, and by the book. Wonderful qualities in a leader, but not resume of the most wonderful TV character. The entire cast of TNG was a little too dry for me. I thought the later series did a better job of providing more engaging characters.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Anyway I voted O'Brien, Colm Meaney is such a great actor and it shows in his characters career.
From a nameless extra to reoccuring character to star of a spin off.
And his character has growth and changes over the course of time while almost everyone else has to kind of stay the same since it's an episodic show.
And he's a great counter to the other characters who tend to be geniuses, heroes, and blue bloods. he's just a working class guy doing his job no matter how crazy things get.
How much O'Brien does Star Trek need?
MILES O'BRIEN!
And in conclusion, the Abrams films are a travesty in the eyes of man and God. When you have a franchise built around the idea of 'Boldly go where no one has gone before' you CANNOT go backwards!
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Automatically Appended Next Post: Anyway I voted O'Brien, Colm Meaney is such a great actor and it shows in his characters career.
From a nameless extra to reoccuring character to star of a spin off.
And his character has growth and changes over the course of time while almost everyone else has to kind of stay the same since it's an episodic show.
And he's a great counter to the other characters who tend to be geniuses, heroes, and blue bloods. he's just a working class guy doing his job no matter how crazy things get.
How much O'Brien does Star Trek need?
MILES O'BRIEN!
And in conclusion, the Abrams films are a travesty in the eyes of man and God. When you have a franchise built around the idea of 'Boldly go where no one has gone before' you CANNOT go backwards!
Maybe he's talking about the holographic doctor on the Voyager?
Automatically Appended Next Post: Anyway I voted O'Brien, Colm Meaney is such a great actor and it shows in his characters career.
From a nameless extra to reoccuring character to star of a spin off.
And his character has growth and changes over the course of time while almost everyone else has to kind of stay the same since it's an episodic show.
And he's a great counter to the other characters who tend to be geniuses, heroes, and blue bloods. he's just a working class guy doing his job no matter how crazy things get.
How much O'Brien does Star Trek need?
MILES O'BRIEN!
And in conclusion, the Abrams films are a travesty in the eyes of man and God. When you have a franchise built around the idea of 'Boldly go where no one has gone before' you CANNOT go backwards!
He's also a badass of sorts, in addition to everything you listed.
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). I mean, who cares if Dr. Crusher is not that great of a character, she is (or was, I should say) so freakin' HOT!
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